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I knew that the letter from Jeff Miller on Dec. 4 (“Example shows prayer fails”) would provoke some pretty severe reactions from Christians in the community.

To Gil Ward (“Empty prayers aren’t granted,” Dec. 5): How can he assume that the prayer let by Texas Gov. Rick Perry was an “empty prayer”? From what I read of that prayer, it sounded pretty sincere to me.

To Paula Still (“Writer misunderstood prayer,” Dec. 5): A letter can’t be blasphemous if it is prayed to a nonexistent being somewhere “out there.”

There is a website that asks the question: Why doesn’t God heal amputees? In the history of prayer, an amputee has never had a limb replaced through prayer. Yet we are told that God has healed everything from cancer to paralysis.

Surely in the history of Christianity, there could be found a group of sincere believers whose faith can move mountains and whose prayers could cure everything on Earth from disease to war to hunger. Yet it has never happened.

Any rational person can conclude that there is no supernatural being watching over us. In the end, humanity is on its own for good or bad.

Ronald Humphrey

Mitchell

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GiantsAllDay
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GiantsAllDay 12/09/12 - 01:34 am
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Good LTE

Good job, Mr. Humphrey. One other thing. Do you remember a while back, when Georgia was in the midst of a drought and good ol' Sonny Purdue prayed for rain on the Capitol steps? Here's one thing I noticed: HE WASN'T HOLDING AN UMBRELLA WHILE HE PRAYED!! He didn't even have one close by. Tells me right there that he himself didn't believe in such nonsense, but he knew that the majority of the voters did. All we have to do is ask one of the meteorologists from channel 6, 12 or 26 and he or she will explain to us what causes rain. Prayer has nothing to do with it. The "god does not heal amputees" videos have been out for quite some time an I encourage all to view them. If God ever restored a limb to an amputee--and it happened RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY OWN EYES--that would make me an instant believer.

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Gage Creed 12/09/12 - 02:41 pm
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Given the thoughts of

Given the thoughts of Humphrey and some posters, morals and ethics are irrelevant. No need to protect diversity.....no need to protect equality. It's every man for himself, only the strong survive!

Natural selection....through strength or cunning is the name of the game. If you don't measure up you are not going to make it.

Fairness and equal protection? Not in Mr. Humphrey’s world. So much for the weak and infirm.

Edit: I had misspelled the LTE author's name

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Fundamental_Arminian 12/09/12 - 05:03 am
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The God of the Bible exists

God's existence is evident from his orderly, intricately designed creation. "The heavens declare the glory of God, the sky above proclaims his handiwork" (Psalm 19:1 English Standard Version). This is why atheists must work so hard to explain away what they call the illusion of design and why creationists never have to deal with the illusion of chaos or of random chance.

As for amputees, Jesus did restore the right ear of the high priest's servant after Peter had cut it off with a sword (Luke 22:49-51 cf. John 18:10). When God has worked miracles, he has intended them to be signs for persuading people to repent and believe the truth. The Bible shows that God's miracles have not been performed in all times and all places, but in times and places of his choosing. Every healing miracle is an act of undeserved kindness since all of us have sinned and deserve nothing good from God.

It's foolish to argue that God must repeatedly prove his existence by answering yes to all prayers and by working so many miracles that they become commonplace. As for literally moving a mountain and casting it into the sea, has any atheist considered the environmental impact of such a miracle? What about the cost in lives? Surely God has been wise to reserve such a miracle for a time of judgment.

There's plenty of evidence that God is not only an all-powerful creator but also a patient, merciful, loving Savior. "... God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us" (Romans 5:8 ESV). If God delivered up his only-begotten Son to die for our sins, how much more will he have his Son return to free us from the curse that Adam and Eve's sin brought upon all creation? When this curse is lifted, there will be no more amputees; in fact, there will be no more suffering, disease, or death.

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Jane18 12/09/12 - 07:14 am
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Not for Mr.Humphrey, but For Sure For Me!

You know what, Mr.Humphrey,Mr.Miller, Giants, and the rest of you that think and believe as this LTE, you are correct! For you folks, THE Supreme Being doesn't exist, not in your minds and lives! So, why is it such a big deal for you because we Believe? You have got to know there is nothing you can say that is going to change what we believe, so, why do you persist with your rantings? Trust me, you are wasting your time, "we will not be moved"! I think many of us have tried to throw a "seed" your way several times, but it seems they are landing on dry, hard soil.........So, as for me, I am kicking the dust off my sandals, and working with more "fertile" ground........I will tell you this, one day all of you are going to fall to your knees and be so ashamed for all your unbelief and the blasphemous things you have made so clear on this venue!

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rebellious 12/09/12 - 07:18 am
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AC found it

The 2012 version of "Man Bites Dog" article. No doubt driving increased web activity and probably print sales, they will run one of these outrageous articles every other day until the novelty dies off. Don't believe me, just watch the comments on this article today.

The balls all yours GPAP and GiantsAllDay. Hit it out of the park, for what it is worth to you!

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InChristLove 12/09/12 - 08:20 am
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He wasn't holding an umbrella

He wasn't holding an umbrella so that's your proof that Mr. Perdue didn't believe God....LOL The lengths some will go in denial.

Once again, Mr. Humphrey proves that some seriously do not know what prayer is and why believers pray.

"In the history of prayer, an amputee has never had a limb replaced through prayer. Yet we are told that God has healed everything from cancer to paralysis."

So Mr. Humphrey, you are saying if God doesn't say "yes" to a prayer, then he doesn't answer prayers....He can't say no or not at this time? I think God is more concerned about healing someone's heart than replacing bone and sinew on an apendage.

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InChristLove 12/09/12 - 08:21 am
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Rebellious, you are so

Rebellious, you are so correct. Time for Worship....you guys have fun.

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Techfan 12/09/12 - 08:26 am
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OpenCurtain
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OpenCurtain 12/09/12 - 08:52 am
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Faith In GOD Moves Mountains

To know GOD you must take the effort to meet GOD.
Have you tried to met GOD, or just blindly rejected GOD?

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carcraft 12/09/12 - 10:30 am
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I'm glad Mr Humphry is

I'm glad Mr Humphry is putting his faith in humans. Lets see, Hitler killed 12 million people, Stalin killed 20 million people, Mao killed who knows, 10's of million more, the Cambodian communist killed 6 million people. That is just in one 60 year span. Good luck Mr. Humphry , man kinds record isn't very good!

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carcraft 12/09/12 - 10:33 am
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I have worked in the medical

I have worked in the medical field to long to deny that God provides miracles, both in the grace to accept illness and in the power to heal people who should never have recovered!

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GiantsAllDay 12/09/12 - 10:53 am
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#1. I am not trying to get

#1. I am not trying to get anyone to change his mind. If someone simply would take a little time, think and bring some reason to what they believe, that would be nice. For myself, in order to believe in any religion based on the old and new testaments, would require turning my brain into a pretzel, and I'm not willing to do that. God is more interested in healing the heart and god doesn't do miracles in all times and in all places--sure sounds like the brain/pretzel thing to me.
2. In the future please don't use an ancient book of scripture for examples of god restoring amputated limbs. If YOU have seen it done to yourself or another (WITH YOUR OWN EYES), I would be so interested and willing to listen
3. The comment about the AC loving this activity on the discussion board is probably 100% correct. Every comment I make generates about 10 comments from believers. The AC should be paying me. Here's something I witnessed with my own eyes: once this tv station in north Augusta had Richard Roberts on- he was wiping his own sweat with hankies and then for a certain fee, he would send these hankies to you, for whatever healing you needed. That right folks, HEALING HANKIES!! Don't you think that the tv station and Richard Roberts were giggling with delight when that $$$ started rolling in? Another time, the same clown held his hand up to the tv screen and told me if I touched his hand via my tv screen, I would be healed. "Religious freedom" is the only reason this man is not in jail.

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pearlthesquirrel 12/09/12 - 10:58 am
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And.....
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And:
Jim Jones and Jonestown.
Marshall Applewhite and the Heaven's Gate Cult.
David Koresh and Waco, Texas.
Dennis Rader (the BTK killer who was a member of Christ Lutheran Church of Wichita, Kansas).
Lizzie Borden (who was a Sunday school teacher).
Richard Ramirez (The Night Stalker Killer who grew up in a religiously devoted family in El Paso, Texas).
And let's not forget one of Georgia's own, that being one Frank Louis Reeves, 73, of Macon, Georgia. He's a deacon at his church that shot Linda Hunnicutt (age 65) at a Macon gas station because her car "came in contact with" his motorized wheelchair.
Gotta' keep it fair in the comments section - that's all.
GO PACKERS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GiantsAllDay
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GiantsAllDay 12/09/12 - 11:03 am
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Carcraft

How many people did god kill in the great flood? How many abortions did god cause due to all the pregnant women that drowned? Yes, those were innocent unborn children. Now move on to the battle of Jericho and ask yourself the same questions. We haven't even scraped the surface of the bible yet. Hitler, Mao and Stalin did kill many, many people. But their punishments ended with these people's deaths. God, on the other hand was just getting started with the people he killed. Those people have to suffer unthinkable torment in hell forever and ever! God is more evil than the 3 men you mentioned, COMBINED!

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dichotomy 12/09/12 - 11:08 am
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Boy this gets old after a

Boy this gets old after a while.

Can we all agree that nobody is changing anybody's mind on this subject by posting pro/con letters in the AC and making snarky or bible quoting comments?

It seems that folks on both sides of this argument do not have any respect for other people's personal beliefs on something that does not affect them in any way and that neither side can absolutely prove they are right.

Believe what you want and keep it to yourself and let the OTHER "fruitcakes" dry up on the vine because nobody is paying any attention to them.

The letter writer went out of his way to trample on other people's personal beliefs.......just as some of the religious folks have done on here previously.

Nobody who does not believe in a supreme being is going to change they minds no matter how many verses you quote from the bible. And nobody who does believe in a supreme being is going to change their mind because you point to some scientific theory or declare yourself to be mentally superior.

One thing you can glean from all of these types of LTE's from both sides. There is a plenty of obnoxius to go around from both sides. People will argue with a rock even when they know it is pointless. Personally I think the rock is smarter.

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GiantsAllDay 12/09/12 - 11:18 am
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What the ?? ?

But is does affect me. Do you think I would be commenting if it didn't affect me? And there is nothing unintelligent about me being concerned for society as a whole. Affect me? (and us)? Only in ways too numerous to mention Please refer to Christopher Hitchens' great work, "God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything". What about future generations? Should I not care about them? The Gwinnett county school board allowed intelligent design (which is nothing more than creationism dressed in a cheap suit) to be taught in the friggin' science classes! These poor kids are going to be so behind the curve when they enter college and try to make their way in this world. Unless of course, they go to Bob Jones University, in which case they'll be just fine.

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freeradical 12/09/12 - 11:22 am
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Man's narrow prisim on

Man's narrow prisim on display.

The carnal mind so attached to this bloodstained earth cannot

comprehend that it is not God's goal to save the world , but to save

people from the world.

As if faithful christians are somehow exempt from disease , lost limbs ,

physical death.

How self decieved can you be.

Ask the girl who was in Doctors Hospital this summer who had limb

after limb amputated how she feels about God now ?

Then listen with your carnal mind & heart of stone as she speaks with

a heart of everlasting joy of the most merciful and loving God who is

with her always .

Your decaying limbs , body & flesh being your only hope for you

and your children .

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soapy_725 12/09/12 - 11:21 am
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Our new king could end all amputees....
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Bring our military men and women home. Each war seems to bring a new "class of casualties". The middle east occupation by US forces and road side bombs have created this issue. Which in the mind of flawed godless humans has created a new way to make money. Yes, war is about money. Even to point of death. Charities now thrive of wounded warriors. TV loves wounded warriors. Movies have glorified "spring form limbs". Prosthesis manufacturers are making a fortune.

Get out from under the flag and open your eyes. Flag waving can lead to genocide. Flag waving can lead to mass listeria and death.

We personally do not want to see ANY amputees or flag draped coffins.

Government learned from the Vietnam War that military coffins were not a plus but a negative for citizens at home. McNamara. They adjusted for subsequent military conflicts.

For the faithful only, there will be no amputees in heaven. There will be no more war or death or sickness. Christ's Kingdom is not of this world or its political totalitarianism.

Some choose to believe the evening news and deny the Bible. Some choose to be the slave of a flawed human than a child of the Creator.

GiantsAllDay
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GiantsAllDay 12/09/12 - 11:24 am
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Freeradical's comment made so

Freeradical's comment made so much sense that I'm ready to believe now.

GiantsAllDay
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GiantsAllDay 12/09/12 - 12:44 pm
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Grouse

Yes, it is childish. But it is a coping mechanism that the highly evolved human brain uses to deal with the reality that all living things will die someday. It's not so depressing if you can convince yourself that you're going someplace wonderful after you die. Your pet golden retriever has no clue that he'll die someday, so no need for a god for him. If the reverse were true, there would be doggie gods all over the place and they'd be fighting each other over them. Sounds simple, but ask any qualified psychiatrist.
It's interesting you used the word "magic". Take a look:
http://youtube.com/watch?feature=plpp&v=rbAoDd1bq6Q

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Bizkit 12/09/12 - 12:43 pm
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It's a strawman argument and

It's a strawman argument and non sequitur. The strawman is that only a certain outcome-being a yes answer-is indicative of the source to the answer-which ignores the equal possiblity of a no answer. Its a false argument. Then you can't see God so he can't be real which ignores the posited outcome of God-the universe. So we could arguei because Newton just created the calculus in his mind out of thin air it isn't real-ignoring the outcome that calculus works. Science can't address anything that isn't physical such as a spiritual "God" but that doesn't negate it exists. "Love" and "Hate" aren't real either just concepts of a certain soicla hairless hominid we call humans. These emotions are not universal to all animals, isn't anything you can measure, isn't anything physical (the physiology and biochemistry correlate with other behaviors and emotions so there is no one to one correlation). People who love each other kill each other too. But I don't think too many people will deny they feel love or hate but really is it real or just another social convention that has evolved in this one mammal?????

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Bizkit 12/09/12 - 12:50 pm
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Most psychiatric programs now

Most psychiatric programs now entertain spirituality-it is a part of their training. There doesn't have to be a real God just the belief is enough to drive human behavior-which it has the last 5000 years or written history. The only thing childish is people who ignore 5000 years of history and evolution that indicate this meme is a significant one in human history. Don't forget the placebo effect-just the belief of receiving the medicine evoked a positive response-hence just the belief in God can be similar.

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Conservative Man 12/09/12 - 12:57 pm
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When I saw this LTE....

....I thought..."Oh Boy, you've stepped in it now"....but surprisingly the comments have been rather civil.....interesting.

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freeradical 12/09/12 - 01:58 pm
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It those who believe that

Its those who believe that monkey mythology, ( my ancestors were

human , so sorry about yours ), will enable them to lie down in the

grave pull the dirt up over their heads and hide from eternity that

awaits , who are swallowing magical fantasy with a vengence .

What a depressing view to explain to their children .

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myfather15 12/09/12 - 01:32 pm
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Clueless writer!!

This is obviously the most clueless writer I've seen in a long time. Why would someone who knows nothing about the Bible, lend their pathetic interpretations (mightly wrong by the way) to people, besides to further a godless agenda of left wing politics?

First of all, if you don't believe God moves mountains, you couldn't be farther from the truth. Because the truth is the "mountains" are the nations or better interpretation are the people of the world. Have you ever taken a look at some of the larger Churches in the world and how many people are in them? Thats not including the millions of other smaller Churches throughout the world. Yes, I do believe that faith moves mountains, because mountains are people and hundreds of millions are moved daily!! Obviously, this writer is sitting around waiting on some person of faith to physically move the Appalachian mountains. Keep sitting around with your awful understanding of the Bible sir!! People like this writer are going to be terribly ashamed, one day soon, very soon!!

Second, this writer is obviously a person who is obsessed with flesh and the ways of the world. He wants God to heal the amputees PHYSICALLY, in order to prove his existence. Thinking and using FLESHLY MIND only. Paying NO attention to the most important healing, which is spiritual and mental. God heals numerous people minds EVERY DAY. There is no more powerful a witness for God than when you see a disabled person, (i.e. paralyzed, amputees, mental disabilities, ect.) telling of their faith in God. Telling of how they love life and love God. Can you imagine that?

Myself, being perfectly healthy, with no disabilities, can witness for God and it can be powerful indeed. But a person who is paralyzed from the neck down, giving a witness for God? All I can say is WOW!! It's so powerful to hear people like this having strong faith, words really can't describe the power in that testimony!! So, has God healed them? Maybe not their physical problems, but He has healed the much more important aspect, THEIR MIND!!! He has given them peace, witin themselves. Maybe thats something this writer doesn't have is peace within himself.It would be so easy for a person of serious disabilities to give up on life and curse God, but when they don't its a miracle within itself.

So Mr. Humphrey, maybe you should start thinking more spiritual before spewing about something you obviously know nothing about!! When you can actually see the ETERNITY like God can, you will understand that these 70 or 80 years here on earth, are a blink of an eye. These years here on earth do not mean much in that aspect, besides that FREE WILLED people get to make a choice, who they shall love and follow. Those disabled persons will be restored to full perfect bodies in the eternity and shall possess them for EVER!! So is it more important to have a healthy bodie here for 70 years, or to have a perfect body for EVER??? The Bible actually says you must think spiritually to understand God. Thinking with the flesh will get you no where!!

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Jane18 12/09/12 - 01:41 pm
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Question for GAD

I have to ask GAD, if you do Not believe in GOD(the GOD those of us believe in and love), why do you sling out accusations against HIM, concerning Noah's flood, the battle of Jericho, etc.? As far as that Robert's guy, and others like him, it just goes to prove what kind of people they are, I call them deceivers and mammon lovers. I am sure by their actions, they have never read that judgment will begin at the altar(that means where the priests stand, ie, the pulpit)!!

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myfather15 12/09/12 - 01:44 pm
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@Giantsallday

Faith is also believing in something you can't see. If you were standing near a person without legs, and all of a sudden appeared legs on this person and now you believe, is that faith?

Is it a bigger miracle should they receive legs, or that being without legs, their minds are healed to find peace, while still having the disability? Of course, it would be a more physical miracle to see them all of a sudden with legs, but physical isn't nearly as important as spiritual peace and the promise of an ETERNITY of perfect health!!

So, you may not believe in an eternity or God, but ask yourself this question without putting God into it. If you were disabled and found a magic genie and that genie promised you either to heal your disablity during your short existence during this flesh age, or he promise to give you a fountain of youth, where you would drink and have a healthy body for EVER, which would you choose? Seriously ask yourself that question, which would you choose?

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OpenCurtain 12/09/12 - 02:03 pm
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carcraft

The evil dictators you listed also in fact banned and/or rewrote religion to meet the needs of their Governments. Then killed millions at will.

An old quote I some what remember,
"Never follow a leader who has no fear of GOD, it never ends well."

myfather15
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myfather15 12/09/12 - 02:05 pm
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@GAD

You accuse someone you claim doesn't exist (God), of killing hundred of millions of people, born and not born. You say that God has killed many more people than evil men (Hitler, Stalin, Mousilini, Mao), yet you say God doesn't exist. Those MEN are proven to exist and destroyed millions of lives. So, the only time you shall believe in God is to blame him for killing hundreds of millions of lives? Either He exists or he doesn't, I would think, right? He can't be mythical and still have killed millions of people, thats impossible. Just as the mythical god Allah hasn't killed millions of people, it's the idiot human beings that follow that religion that have killed them!!

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rebellious 12/09/12 - 02:08 pm
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GAD

Little full of yourself in your 10:53 post point #2, dontcha think?

The Chronicle should pay you???? Any decent human being would try to talk someone off a cliff, even when they don't believe the person has much to live for...

The problem with believers in God and Christians specifically is they understand the finality of eternity and the consequences of nonbelief in this life. Their flaw, as you see it I am sure, is in caring for your eternal life. So yes, probably 10 to 1 they will come on here in hopes they can plant the seed which will convince you to turn your life over to Christ. And you will, most likely, continue to defend your position more than try to persuade. The difference between the two positions is if you are wrong and they are right, you lose. If you are right and they are wrong, who cares! And they will have lived a life trying to give people a hope much brighter than the dispair and futility you paint as an afterlife.

Many times after fruitless debate, I adopt and follow Matthew Chapter 7, Verse 6.

God Bless

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