With belief, prayer works

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This is in response to Jeff Miller’s letter to the editor Dec. 2 concerning prayer (“Example shows prayer fails”).

First of all, Mr. Miller mentioned the $15 trillion debt in 2011, now at more than $16 trillion – and the man in the White House wants to raise it another trillion-and-a-half.

Mr. Miller asked in his letter, “Where’s your omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient God?” Let me be very clear – he used the New International Version of the Bible. May I quote from the authorized King James Bible, which has stood for more than 400 years?

Hosea 4:6 says we are destroyed “for lack of knowledge.” II Timothy 3:1-7 says “that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers (like the letter writer!), disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.”

Mr. Miller mentioned the insanity of doing the same thing over and over again while expecting different results. That’s President Obama! Spend, spend, spend.

I have conducted my ministry for more than 60 years by faith and prayer – no salary, no big contributions, just believing. It works, Jeff.

The Rev. Gene Johnson

Dearing

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Techfan
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Techfan 12/07/12 - 09:18 am
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Incontinent?

Incontinent? Lo, there will be those who cannot contain their urine or feces. There will be sinus drainage and excessive earwax.....

RMSHEFF
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RMSHEFF 12/07/12 - 10:18 am
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Techfan

We are in the End Times ! Where will you spend eternity? By the way, do you remember the 1951-52 Orange Bowl. GT vs Baylor. Georgia Tech won the Orange Bowl and were undefeated that season. The good ole days.

pearlthesquirrel
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pearlthesquirrel 12/07/12 - 10:19 am
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[filtered word]?
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Because Mr. Miller quoted from a New International Version Bible makes his statement wrong - what? I mean, there's an "official" Bible. So, anybody that comes to church with anything other than a New King James Version should getted yanked from the pew and thrown to the street? - what? And what better time - and who could provide a better stellar example of prayer(s) working thn Rev. Gene Johnson - and he doesn't take the time or the opportunity to do so. With every rebuttal letter The Comical prints (and this is # 4 and there will be more to come, rest assured), the opposing letter wroiters seem to bolster Mr. Millers point ......not take it down.

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Fiat_Lux 12/07/12 - 10:24 am
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So very clever.

If you were slightly more sophisticated, Techfan, you would know immediately that "incontinent" in this context means "profligate". Because that term may also be unfamiliar to people to whom it applies, "profligate" (or "incontinent") means someone who is uncontrolled in their behavior, and you can pretty much pick the behavior.

It is a term that perfectly describes the person currently inhabiting the White House as "leader" of the "free" world. He is profligate in spending our citizens' income, as if he were his own, and incontinent as to where and how he wastes it.

If you read your Bible a little more, you would get a sense of our language and its evolution over the past several hundred years. It's de rigueur for an educated person, as should be the case for any American with access to a public education.

Fundamental_Arminian
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Fundamental_Arminian 12/07/12 - 10:31 am
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Funny, Techfan

    Incontinent? Lo, there will be those who cannot contain their urine or feces. There will be sinus drainage and excessive earwax ... (Techfan).

That's funny, Techfan. The King James Version includes some words whose meanings have changed since the 1600s. Modern versions I've checked have "without self-control" or something similar to indicate a lack of self-discipline.

I like this LTE overall except for its implication that the New International Version and other modern versions aren't trustworthy. As Aristotle advised, reading a variety of translations is helpful for understanding the sense of a passage.

Every translation has its strengths and occasional weaknesses. A modern translation that divides long complex sentences into short simple ones makes it easy for someone such as Jeff Miller to quote part of a verse out of context. Of course, the long complex sentences in older translations can be difficult to read, which is why it's helpful to consult a variety of translations.

I appreciate Pastor Johnson's willingness to serve as a minister without a salary. There are a lot of good pastors whose income is barely enough to make ends meet, yet they still serve faithfully.

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RMSHEFF 12/07/12 - 10:57 am
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Fiat Lux

I agree with most of your post except the part about Obama being "uncontrolled in behavior" . I believe he knows exactly what he is doing.
Obama is avery smart but dangerous man. He is dangerous to freedom and our way of life. He is artful at twisting the truth to suit his needs. He comes as an "angle of light". He views his time in office as a chance to irrevocably change America into a socialist / marxist state and to accomplish this he will economically bring down the house of cards he is building. He is the friend of those in need.

Fiat_Lux
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Fiat_Lux 12/07/12 - 11:04 am
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@RMSHEFF

Sadly, you probably are right. I also believe he is a very dangerous and evil man, and that his plans are specifically aimed at destroying the America he came to hate and transforming it, by force, into his own image of what it should be.

It is his behavior that is profligate and incontinent, even if it is all very carefully thought out, planned and executed.

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grouse 12/07/12 - 11:34 am
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The graveyards are full of
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The graveyards are full of the prayed-over by the faithful. I wonder how much in taxes the reverend's church has paid in to help the debt...my guess is zero.

Fundamental_Arminian
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Fundamental_Arminian 12/07/12 - 12:11 pm
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Full graveyards not surprising

Grouse, you're right about the deaths of believers who were prayed for. That's not surprising since "... it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment" (Hebrews 9:27 English Standard Version).

I'm not sure if the letter-writer has a church. He mentions his ministry, but some ministries consist only of charitable work such as providing help to the poor and preaching in jails and nursing homes.

If you dislike the thought that the letter-writer's ministry pays no taxes, would you like to end tax exemptions for all non-profit organizations, religious and secular alike?

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Jane18 12/07/12 - 01:06 pm
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Without Self-Contol--Even Powerless

Pastor Johnson, you have tried to make it a little clearer to some folks about prayer, and that is "good work". There are some that any "seed" that is thrown their way, it will not grow, but one must continue to "broadcast". Don't feel bad if some make fun or ridicule--- words, us as Christians, etc., they "just do not know what they are doing" or just do Not care...and probably never will. The bad part is it might be a little too late if and when they do wise up. Very good Fiat and Fundamental for trying to explain to our little techfan the Greek meaning of incontinent(he and his thoughts are very much 'incontinent', don't you think?

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InChristLove 12/07/12 - 01:44 pm
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" I wonder how much in taxes

" I wonder how much in taxes the reverend's church has paid in to help the debt...my guess is zero." (grouse)

(Rev. Johnson) "I have conducted my ministry for more than 60 years by faith and prayer – no salary, no big contributions, just believing. "

I would stay that over the 60 years Rev. Johnson has conducted his ministry, he has financially and spiritually helps a lot of individuals. I wonder how much taxes Rev. Johnson's ministry has saved the government (and you and I) from having to fork out funds to help the less fortunate and needy.

IMO, the amount of money spent through Churches, Christian sponsored charities and local ministries to assist the needy, would far outweigh the amount of money collected in taxes and then turned arouind and wasted by our government.

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KSL 12/07/12 - 03:54 pm
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Don't forget the hefty amount

Don't forget the hefty amount extracted to administer the funds (government employees).

KSL
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KSL 12/07/12 - 04:19 pm
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It takes a special kind of

It takes a special kind of person to make fun of another's religious beliefs, no matter what they may be.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 12/07/12 - 07:00 pm
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KSL, I sincerely don't think

KSL, I sincerely don't think grouse is making fun (at least not in this instance) and others who share the same view actually believe that Christian organizations, ministries, and charities all get by with something. It is sad to realize that without these organizations helping out the government to take care of our less fortunate (whether it be by their own making or because of unforeseen circumstances) we would all be in the poor house because there is no way we can raise enough taxes to take care of all those in need and depend on the government to provide. (IMO, we raise enough with taxes, we just don't know how to spend it well.....it's nothing but wasteful and irresponsibility).

KSL
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KSL 12/07/12 - 07:16 pm
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I wasn't speaking

I wasn't speaking specifically of grouse.

KSL
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KSL 12/07/12 - 09:12 pm
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I left you a message on

I left you a message on another thread, ICL.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 12/07/12 - 09:54 pm
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My mistake KSL, I thought you

My mistake KSL, I thought you were referring to grouse's comment.

KSL
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KSL 12/07/12 - 10:29 pm
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InChristLove
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InChristLove 12/07/12 - 11:16 pm
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KSL, sent you a message but

KSL, sent you a message but heading for dream land now. Talk with you tomorrow.

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