It appears GAD you are not as well versed as you stated in the scriptural teachings of the bible as you stated on last nights thread. If you were, you would know that the penalty for Mr. Miller's sin has already been paid. All he has to do is recognize his sin, repent, and accept the forgiving sentence from Jesus Christ. No need to die, no need for your scarlet "B".

Thanks for your explanation. Let's see if I have it right now. If I had prayed for President Obama's reelection, we all could conclude his win reveals "the will and the heart of the Lord"?

EEL, President Obama is our president because God has allowed him to be. For what reason is beyond me but God is in control and for whatever reason He has allowed this, we have to accept it. It could be to teach us some kind of lesson or to teach President Obama something but for whatever reason, it will eventually bring honor to God's name. We may not see it in our lifetime but nothing God does comes back void. So if you prayed for Obama to win and he did, then you can conclude you won and we lost . Truthfully, in the end, God is the one who wins because whether you or I agree, His will be done.

Whatever you choose to believe EEL.

You got it. As much as so many of us dislike that reality, it didn't happen without the Almighty's allowing it. You might believe, as I do, that it is among the more serious of wake-up calls for America, in that this wretched excuse for a president (IMO) actually reflectes the will of such a significant percentage of American voters. I think he (God) wants us to understand with total clarity what we have allowed to happen to our nation, even after all the ways we have been blessed over the past 236 years, and longer.

There is an overwhelming amount of work to be done to bring about a change in the character and moral issues that plague so many Americans, but it is an absolute certainty that the work must be done and that the Almighty expects us, who believe in him and desire his will for America, to do that work with his Holy Spirit empowering us to accomplish his desires for each one of us. His plan includes all of us, and it comes from his perfect love for each of us. How could that not be a good thing?

I don't suspect you care much for my answer or respect it, but there it is.

I would never, ever try to force my beliefs on you, nor would I spend an inordinate amount of time "trying to save" you, as if I even could save you. I simply and only believe that people deserve to have enough information to make their own informed decisions. I would expect that any person of reasonable ability and maturity would look at all the possibilities available, insofar as they could, and judge for themselves. After all, that is exactly what I did and what led me to my faith, my worldview and cosmology.

I'm not a fan of blue laws myself, but there are some behavior choices that I sincerely view as reprehensible. It's not because of some reflexive hatred of certain people or even of their choices, but because of the results those choices have in the lives of the people doing them, on the people who love them and on society as a whole. Murder, rape and armed robbery are kind of the big, most obvious examples, but what about adultery? Think about what that kind of behavior does to the relationships in a marriage, and even more, what it does to the trust and security of the children of that union. It changes everybody and is something that must be overcome. It is a wound.

Many other actions fall into that same kind of category. Christians who condemn people are falling short and missing the mark regarding their responsibility to their fellow man. We really are supposed to be living in such a way that people see there's something more there than is usually seen in people. And we are supposed to stand by the road and let people know the bridge is out ahead.

That last is where people like yourself tend to get ticked off. People who are racing headlong toward their goal often have no interest in being diverted from their path, even if there is genuine danger ahead that they don't see. They still get to make their own decision, but what kind of people would we be, and what would you think of us, if we didn't at least try to alert others of the danger we see?

Sometimes GOD answers prayers, sometimes he waits until he is sure the person/group praying has repented.

Since there is a GOD, the prayer has been heard.

GOD's will be done at GOD's Speed. No more, no less.

I resent the heck out of eel's accusing all Christians of trying to force their beliefs on others. That is simply not true.

Eel, I could care less about what you, GAD, or grouse believe. Likewise, I would appreciate the same respect. I consider religious beliefs, or the lack of them, a very personal matter. I was fortunate to marry a person with a similar attitude. I, like cg, do not "speak" much about religion on this site. My beliefs are mine and are not a the right fit for everyone here.

What astounds me is the total lack of respect the disbelievers, the ultra liberals, have for those with differing beliefs. Compare that attitude to the attitude of people who thought(think) one race is superior to another.

you are using the same wide brush you've accused EEL of using, KSL. You can't have it both ways.

I am not at all criticizing eel for her beliefs. She is free to have them. Look closely at the comments she makes, though.