Empty prayers aren't granted

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On the Dec. 4 Opinion page, Jeff Miller stated that prayer failed (“Example shows prayer fails”). He refers to a prayer meeting held Aug. 6, 2011, at Houston’s Reliant Stadium. Evidently, from his letter, the prayer meeting was for the purpose of praying for America’s problems – its debts and unemployment. He concludes that because God did not change all of this, prayer failed.

I do not have all the answers, but I believe in prayer. First of all, let’s look at some facts. God didn’t put America in this difficult situation. We did it to ourselves. America has chosen to remove God from every influence He has had on this nation. Remember, the Democratic Party this year even wanted to remove His name from its platform!

Let’s be real! Our basic society and government is anti-God in every aspect of its operation and in our daily lives! We love sin! From every scope, we are living with complete rejection of everything that is decent and moral. In fact, we make fun of and joke about those who honor God and His Word.

Prayer did not fail. God does not answer empty prayers.

America does not need to pray. America needs to repent!

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specsta
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specsta 12/05/12 - 02:29 am
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"Religious" America Needs To Repent

The religious folks have done more damage to the kingdom of God than any government or society could ever do. They have forgotten that a relationship with God is a personal journey, not a once-size-fits-all approach to spiritual intimacy.

Instead, we get religious zealots dancing on money at the altar, finger-pointing preachers who condemn others while they themselves are having secret affairs and clandestine trysts, Bible-thumping ministers who hate gays and abortion, clown-suit-wearing Pharisees who love to tell the world how rotten the sinners are and how they will burn to a crisp in gasoline-soaked hellfire, and holier-than-thou TV miscreants who drive luxury cars, live in multimillion-dollar homes, and travel on private jets, courtesy of some poor widowed grandmother who sends her last few dollars to get a "prayer cloth" and "healing oil".

And the unsaved masses look at this foolishness and say, "no thanks".

It is quite telling when a person is more accepted and treated with more kindness by a "worldly" person than by a "saint".

Religious folk have milked the life out of the Gospel, adding all sorts of man-made rules and dogma that HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH A RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD.

Each person must work out their own salvation. Period.

Oh Phooey
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Oh Phooey 12/05/12 - 06:25 am
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Blame yourself

US - 246,780,000 (79.5% of the Population) (2010) consider themselves Christian.

http://www.pewforum.org/Christian/Global-Christianity-exec.aspx

I love it when these bible thumping Christians make it sound like they are the minority when it comes to explaining the problems with America.

Fundamental_Arminian
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Fundamental_Arminian 12/05/12 - 07:17 pm
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Specsta, please look further

Specsta, your quotation marks around key words (e.g., "religious," "worldly," "saint") show you can spot fakes. If you look further, you'll find some genuine Christians--folks who actually follow the Messiah. You'll also find godly preachers who don't hate sinners but lovingly warn them to repent in time to avoid the eternal consequences of dying lost. Some of these preachers, far from being greedy, serve virtually for free while they support themselves with full-time jobs.

Scripture tells us what kind of religion God accepts. "Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world" (James 1:27 ESV).

I hope you noticed that Gil Ward, in his fine LTE, hasn't made fun of Jeff Miller but has explained how Mr. Miller's LTE doesn't prove that prayer fails. There was nothing mean-spirited from Mr. Ward, only a loving, compassionate warning that America needs to repent. As long as we're still alive, we have the opportunity to trust in Christ and be saved.

wayne2410
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wayne2410 12/05/12 - 06:42 am
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Funny how liberals use the
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Funny how liberals use the worst examples of religious people to insult and ridicule the rest of us. It is okay though, I know it seems like the Godless among us are winning but they really are not. They are the type that fall for the endless cycle of a neon sign, not recognizing it is only repeating the same pattern over and over again. Stay true to God good people, he has warned us of these times we are seeing and he is wise, when it all hits the fan the Godless among us will not be in such a mood to insult and ridicule but it will be too late. In closing, what gets me about the atheists is they go to so much lengths to show people they do not believe in God yet they have no clue that it really does not matter, if they have a true heart God believes in them. Some will never get that and to be fair there are believers who may never will either.

seenitB4
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seenitB4 12/05/12 - 07:07 am
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AC you are veeeery clever

Here we go again....:)

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 12/05/12 - 07:28 am
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if everyone has the truth

if everyone has the truth about god there is no truth..spec..originial sin was determing right and wrong..ie being god..sounds like what you describe what man is doing and not what the bible actually teaches about the true GOD. ....there is an objective truth that has its origin and its fulfilment in the true GOD and not man. i'm sorry you base your faith in man.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 12/05/12 - 07:47 am
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"Each person must work out

"Each person must work out their own salvation. Period"

Wrong specsta, salvation is a free gift. There is no working it out, you leave the work to God and just be an open vessel.

You are correct, there are some religious zealots who are way out there and the unsaved look at them and point their finger but what you fail to understand that most times these religious zealots are not practicing Christ-like behavior because they are governed by the Father of Lies, Satan himself, and what better way to decieve and try to destroy the work of God, than to use desception. He is a crafty fellow, isn't he.

CobaltGeorge
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CobaltGeorge 12/05/12 - 08:28 am
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seenitB412/05/12 - 06:07

seenitB412/05/12 - 06:07 am

AC you are veeeery clever
Here we go again....:)

Not for me "Here's a (silent) Again"

Uppers for believers
Downers for disbelievers.

Techfan
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Techfan 12/05/12 - 08:50 am
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So which one teaches the

So which one teaches the truth? Is it the First Our Way or the Highway Church, the Second Our Way or the Highway Church, the Third Our Way or the Highway Church, or the Our way or the Highway Church (Reformed)? Why not call churches what they really are:money making enitities that claim if you don't follow their beliefs you'll rot in hell (or the whatever that church's equivalent might be). In other words, protection rackets. This prayer didn't work because those folks don't follow the correct OWotHC (Our Way or the Highway Church), or they follow the correct OWotHC but just didn't have enough faith, or they don't follow the OWotHC, they follow the Church of We're the Only Ones Who Are Right and they're a false religion, or we all follow the correct OWotHC but our prayer failed because of someone else. Prayer works, Yay!, ours is the only true and real faith and our prayers are answered (throwing out the possibilty of things such as random chance). Prayer not answered, pass the buck and blame others. Just let them say whatever silly thing they want to say and tax them at the full corporate rate allowing deductions only for what they can prove actually went to charity (and no, prosthelytizing isn't a charitable cause). After all, no matter what they claim, they're only in it for the money.

Rhetor
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Rhetor 12/05/12 - 08:51 am
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The Democrats

At the Charleston Tea Party debate, when one Republican candidate mentioned the Golden Rule, the conservative Republican crowd booed him. What do you think?

JRC2024
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JRC2024 12/05/12 - 08:54 am
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As someone who has not gone

As someone who has not gone to a formal church in a good number of years but still believes in the Christian way of life, I started back and now enjoy the fellowship and the religious programs. I was at a very large church and quit going because I got tired of the constant pressure to give more and more each week to build gums, daycare buildings, trips and all other things that are not the part of religion.

Willow Bailey
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Willow Bailey 12/05/12 - 09:09 am
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Great letter, Gil Ward! Thank

Great letter, Gil Ward! Thank you for taking the time to write it.

pearlthesquirrel
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pearlthesquirrel 12/05/12 - 09:12 am
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What the bleepity bleep?
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I directly quote Gil Ward from his antepenult sentence: "God does not answer empty prayers." What the sam-hell is an "empty prayer"? Just what were those 30,000 people praying for then in Reliant Stadium? They were supposed to be praying for "our nations challenges" and what happened? Was praying for "our nations challenges" an "empty prayer"? Oh man, you religious people keep me in stitches. Where's Ed Payne M.D.'s letter on this subject?.....you know, Ed Payne - the guy that gets 12 religious letters printed in the Chronicle over a span of 22 months. Once again this shows the frailty of the religious - they always tell you "you're taking it out of context", "you're misunderstanding something", or the good old red, white, and blue, let's just go with the "no accountability" excuse / explanantion. It's no wonder the religious are up in arms...it's because the other side always crushes them in any debate.

The squirrel says "Peace out!"

pearlthesquirrel
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pearlthesquirrel 12/05/12 - 03:41 pm
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What the bleepity bleep?
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I directly quote Gil Ward from his antepenult sentence: "God does not answer empty prayers." What the sam-hell is an "empty prayer"? Just what were those 30,000 people praying for then in Reliant Stadium? They were supposed to be praying for "our nations challenges" and what happened? Was praying for "our nations challenges" an "empty prayer"? Oh man, you religious people keep me in stitches. Where's Ed Payne M.D.'s letter on this subject?.....you know, Ed Payne - the guy that gets 12 religious letters printed in the Chronicle over a span of 22 months. Once again this shows the frailty of the religious - they always tell you "you're taking it out of context", "you're misunderstanding something", or the good old red, white, and blue, let's just go with the "no accountability" excuse / explanantion. It's no wonder the religious are up in arms...it's because the other side always crushes them in any debate.

The squirrel says "Peace out!"

Willow Bailey
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Willow Bailey 12/05/12 - 09:23 am
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Specsta is trying to refer to

Specsta is trying to refer to ....
Phillipians 2: 12 "Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling."

What Paul is talking about is NOT earning our own salvation, but the process of sanctification....where we are being prepared to become more "Christ-like". (Christian means little-christ). The fear and trembling is reference to the many struggles we will encounter in this process...the burning away of the dross.

Anyone who is walking with Christ as their Savior, daily, not on a "need -him" basis, knows exactly what I am talking about. We will be challenged constantly until we learn something and we are ALL slow learners.

One great thing about America's current situation is that we will be talking a lot about God and our need for Him.

Isn't this just a great letter, today?!

Techfan
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Techfan 12/05/12 - 09:30 am
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Christianity stopped being

Christianity stopped being about Christ the moment the fist organized church appeared and has gotten further and further away from his teachings since. How many of todays "christians" would "turn the other cheek"? Not many who claim to be "christian" on these posts. They're more likely to back the "Stand Your Ground" laws and blow the guy away. How many would sell all of their goods and give them to the poor. Not many because "It their money and they earn it all on their own without the sweat labor or assistance of anyone else. When the so called "christian" posters here start commenting like they are truly "Christian", maybe we can start believing them.

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KSL 12/05/12 - 09:31 am
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Gee, Rhetor

How can any intelligent person answer your question without knowing in what context the statement was made?

effete elitist liberal
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effete elitist liberal 12/05/12 - 09:38 am
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let's see....

Let's see if I get this straight.... "Empty prayers" don't get answered, "full" (or whatever) do? For most folks, effects are supposed to follow from causes, not, as Mr. Ward concludes here, the other way around. This simply proves once again that "Christian logic" is an oxymoron.

Willow Bailey
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Willow Bailey 12/05/12 - 09:49 am
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Constantly doing other's inventory is fruitless.

Tech, like Spec, your problem is...you worry way too much about someone else's behavior.

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Bizkit 12/05/12 - 09:57 am
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I don't understand judging a

I don't understand judging a religion by the advocates of it-like christianity. The same logic would dictate all muslims are terrorist? I don't think that is was posters are saying. Sheesh. The whole point of christians is they admit they are sinners, losers, the worse or the worse and for that reason they need Christ.They of all are the least because it isn't about them. Few studies have indicated a positive effect of prayer on health and many not but a recent review indicates a slight benefit of prayer-at least that is what the process of science is saying now.
Altern Ther Health Med. 2012 Sep-Oct;18(5):18-27.A randomized, blinded study of the impact of intercessory prayer on spiritual well-being in patients with cancer.Olver IN, Dutney A.. Participants with cancer whom the research team randomly allocated to the experimental group to receive remote intercessory prayer showed small but significant improvements in spiritual well-being.
I don't like sports but I don 't feel a need to disparage people who do nor do I want to remove all sports from America. Grown men chasin' balls -well what ever floats your bubble. Seems some peoples venom towards religion is just unAmerican. We need more freedoms not less.

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RMSHEFF 12/05/12 - 10:04 am
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I will pray for you that don't believe...

At first I think "it is amazing" how little some know about God and how hostile they are to His word , but I then remember what God's Word says about these lost people. 1 Corinthians 1: 18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. Ephesians 4:18 They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts. Romans 1:21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools. I will pray that God will open your eyes so you can see the truth but if He does not you will remain in darkness. John 6:44 No man can come to me [Jesus], except the Father which hath sent me draw him.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 12/05/12 - 10:15 am
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'Christianity stopped being

'Christianity stopped being about Christ the moment the fist organized church appeared and has gotten further and further away from his teachings since."

Odd Techfan, since in Matthew 16:18 Christ establishes the first church and tells Peter....."And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

Are you saying Christ didn't know what He was doing?

Techfan says "How many would sell all of their goods and give them to the poor"

Christ never commanded his Children to sell all their goods and give them to the poor......He commanded us to take care of the poor and I believe America takes very good care of their poor. He also instructs us to take care of our family and be financial good stewards. It makes no sense to give everything you have until you family is suffering and you are in the poor house yourself (who will take care of you then). He also says, if you are lazy then you don't eat. Shouldn't we also follow those teachings of Christ Techfan??? He says to have no other gods before Him....shouldn't we follow those teachings??

InChristLove
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InChristLove 12/05/12 - 10:20 am
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Excellent comment RMSHEFF.

Excellent comment RMSHEFF.

Willow Bailey
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Willow Bailey 12/05/12 - 10:24 am
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Good follow up, ICL.

Good follow up, ICL. Scripture used out of context to deceive others is as old as the serpent in the Garden of Eden.

Tech, have you sold all your things and given to the poor? Begin with yourself. Set the example and others will follow your good deeds.

RMSHEFF
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RMSHEFF 12/05/12 - 10:24 am
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effete elitist liberal

Only the prayers of a righteous man or prayers that are according to the will of God. God does not answer prayers outside of His perfect will. The will of God may be that He will "allow" this country , that has denied Him, turned away from Him and followed their own wisdom, to reap what we have sewn.
Romans 1:24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—

Willow Bailey
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Willow Bailey 12/05/12 - 10:27 am
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Quickly as to prayer and

Quickly as to prayer and health, I've never met a physician that didn't believe that a patient with faith had an advantage over others.

And personally, no physician who disclaims God would care for me.

effete elitist liberal
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effete elitist liberal 12/05/12 - 10:27 am
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RMSHEFF

Gosh, I had forgotten about Romans 1:24. Silly me! I will go back and brush up on my New Testament....

grouse
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grouse 12/05/12 - 10:58 am
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I don't believe the Bible
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I don't believe the Bible differentiates between "empty" prayers or any other type of prayer.

RMSHEFF
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RMSHEFF 12/05/12 - 11:14 am
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grouse

We must pray in accordance with the will of God.

Willow Bailey
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Willow Bailey 12/05/12 - 11:29 am
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What does the Bible say about

What does the Bible say about prayer, grouse?

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