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Once again, the self-proclaimed atheists have trod on the freedom of speech of the Christians in our country! Why are the atheists victorious? Is it because we Christians are too meek or too lethargic?

I read with sadness “Judge upholds Nativity display ban in city park” (Nov. 20). The judge decided that a “60-year Nativity tradition” in a Santa Monica park could no longer be upheld because one atheist recruited 10 of his kind to apply for permits to display signs equating Jesus with the devil, using up most of the spaces formerly used by the Nativity committee. The judge banned the Nativity display “rather than referee a religious dispute that began three years ago.”

The judge said the ban “was not to squash religious speech,” but to save the turf that was being destroyed in the park and to restore the ocean views that were being obstructed.

Turf can be replanted, and those who wish to view the ocean can walk to the other side of the display. But every time Christ is driven from a city, our country is weakened and there is no turning back.

Rather than centering on truth, our culture centers on the politically correct. The rights of the atheist are upheld against the rights of the Christian. Those seeking freedom from religion trod upon the rights of us who are seeking freedom of religion. How long will it be
before the atheistic watchdogs expand their “freedoms and rights” from community spaces into our very homes?

I am mad and am not going to take it anymore. I have purchased Nativity car magnets for a number of my friends. I have also ordered bumper stickers that read, “Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord. Psalm 33:12.” I am giving these to anyone who declares himself or herself a Christian.

Will the devil’s detectives search driveways for magnets to tear from cars and for bumper stickers to erase?

Kay I. Hays

North Augusta, S.C.

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specsta
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specsta 12/02/12 - 02:40 am
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Unrighteous Indignation

I seriously wish that "Christians" would get as upset about homelessness and poverty as they do about a commercialized Nativity scene...

And they wonder why their churches are powerless. Maybe it's because they concern themselves with foolishness that helps no one.

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Jane18 12/02/12 - 04:52 am
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Righteous Indignation.....

........and Kay, you have ever right to feel this. Anytime you see and hear something that goes against GOD and Christianity, speak up! That's the problem nowadays, we sit back and let people "of the world" push us around, put down what we believe in, say we believe in a "make believe god" and some even call HIM that(their little letters), spout out scriptures they don't know how to interpret, say we do not care about children and the homeless, etc., and have the nerve to call our work and standing for the LORD foolishness! I can almost guarantee we give more than most people with our time and money. Remember how the Jewish(by residence only)Priests and the scripture lawyers hated JESUS? HE said we would be hated too, so hang in there and keep on speaking up!

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Oh Phooey 12/02/12 - 06:28 am
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Nothing says, "I am a Christian" like a bumper sticker

"I am mad and am not going to take it anymore. I have purchased Nativity car magnets for a number of my friends. I have also ordered bumper stickers that read, “Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord. Psalm 33:12.” I am giving these to anyone who declares himself or herself a Christian."

I think you meant to say, "I am not mad because my faith is strong in me. I have donated food to the various food banks around the CSRA. I ordered clothes to make sure that the homeless and those that cannot afford a new jacket will be warm this winter."

"A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent" (1 Timothy 2:11-12, NIV)

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InChristLove 12/02/12 - 09:17 am
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"I seriously wish that

"I seriously wish that "Christians" would get as upset about homelessness and poverty as they do about a commercialized Nativity scene..."

But they do specsta....hundreds of Christian organizations help the homeless and poor daily....and who do you suppose donations to these Christian organizations? I would say most likely Christians, so please stop with the drama. If you know of someone who is homeless or a family or child in need, please quit with the Christian bashing and contact one of their agencies so they can help.

Oh Phooey, please explain how 1 Timothy 2:11-12 has anything to do with this article or what someone has posted. In biblical days the Jewish men and women sat separately in church and Paul wasn't saying women could not teach but that they could not teach men (they could teach women). So many want to use this scripture but not follow other scripture. How about the one where Paul wishes all single men to be celibate like himself but not many men take him up on that one do they.

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GiantsAllDay 12/02/12 - 10:58 am
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You have to at least give one

You have to at least give one thing to the Xians. Their flair for melodrama is second to none.

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pearlthesquirrel 12/02/12 - 12:26 pm
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292 0ver 5 1/4
Unpublished

The correct answer would be 55.61904762....but that's not intended to be a math problem. There are 292 church listings over 5 1/4 of my yellow pages - and Ms. Hays rights are being "squeezed" - please! There are 0 listings in the yellow pages for atheists / agnostics / secularists / humanists /infidels / non-believer groups - or whatever it is you want to call "us". If you saw my post yesterday about Woodrow Shorts "God causes natural disasters" letter, I wondered how long it would be before another "religious rant" letter came along. And the answer is 24 hours. The Chronicle isn't a newspaper, it's a Bible supplementary. And to prove my point, I've sent a letter to the editor 16 (!) times since July 26th to be printed and it hasn't appeared....hmmm, why could that be, I mean, The Chronicle plays it "fair and balanced" and "right down the middle", doesn't it? It doesn't? Why didn't somebody tell me (lol)?
Ms. Hays is like all Christian fundy's....they want God / religion / The Bible 24/7/365 or they have temper-tantrums. What Ms. Hays doesn't understand is that putting up anything that represents "Christianity" therefore gets it an approval over something else. What about Muslims, Hindu's, Scientologists, Buddhist's or any other cult...uh, I mean religion? Where's their representation? I'm a car guy. That would be like putting up a Ford emblem in front of the courthouse. What about the Dodge, Chrysler, Chevrolet, BMW, Volkswagen, Pontiac, or any of a hundred other car makers representation? It's better to have NO representation across the board than to have 150 signs up plastering PUBLIC property or a PUBLIC facility. But I understand Ms. Hays view because I run into people like this everyday. They don't understand the law. She says: "I'm mad and I'm not going to take it anymore." Either she's a poor example of a so-called Christian with that statement or she's been watching that 1976(?) movie Network where that tv anchor shouts those very same words out of a window...which it is - I don't know. As for her going all $$$$$ with car magnets and bumper stickers proclaiming Christianity I say: "Good for you" because that's your own $$$$$ spent on YOUR own personal property - heck, go spend $50,000 on that stuff if you want....don't forget your t-shirts and necklaces too, ok? And if you want to put up a Nativity scene and a cross and camels and hay and a manger on your property, knock yourself out as long as it doesn't break any county property laws or codes! But seeing how it's "that time of the year" and people are always looking for a few extra $$$$$$, I'll give Ms. Hays that chance. I can clearly tell by her writing that she's got to be a "creationist / intelligent design" pseudo-science kind of cat. Me, I'm more of a (wait for it...there's a surprise coming....and that surprise is) "Darwinian evolutionist" kind of guy. I think she's thinks evolution is "a lie from the pits of hell" like Rep. Paul Broun M.D. does. So, let's do it for the 8th time this year:
I challenge Ms. Hays to a $5,000 bet that evolution is true - period. Now, I know she thinks she's correct, and I think I'm correct, so we a riddle inside a mystery inside a conundrum wrapped inside a Taco Bell Burrito Supreme. Now, all of the other 7 people that I've made this generous offer to this year have NEVER gotten back in touch with me to take me up on it. That tells you nothing about me but tells you a hell of a lot about them - don't cha' think?
P.S. Who is going to "flag" this comment like all my other comments that get flagged? Oh yea, the anonymity the internet provides you "tough commentors" proud, I bet.
Pearlthesquirrel - the baddest cat on here......learn to live with it!
Peace out!

InChristLove
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InChristLove 12/02/12 - 03:02 pm
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Probably right GAD. I guess

Probably right GAD. I guess they learned from the best since the non-Christians surely know how to squawk loud enough to get something done. Maybe the Xians are just following in their footsteps.

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Fiat_Lux 12/02/12 - 03:18 pm
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Basically, Specsta, it's the Christians who do feed the hungry.

All the liberals and Democrats do is push it off on the government to take care of the poor, which is little more than a gargantuan waste of taxpayer money being sucked down by the govt bureaucracy. Oh, and by widespread fraud from the able-bodied indolent.

If you fuzzy-feeling liberals and social progressives starting stepping up to the plate yourselves, like the people who sit in church on Sundays do, you might just see things a little differently and stop taking pot shots at the very people actually doing the work of making life better for the hungry and homeless.

Just who do you think founded and runs Golden Harvest Food Bank, or Habitats for Humanity, to name just two of the many local organizations doing good for the CSRA poor?

Come on Specsta? Tell us what you're doing as a humanitarian besides belly-aching about Christians getting ticked at being thwarted at every turn by people like yourself for simply practicing their faith.

If you think the government at every level isn't playing favorites, I'd just love to see you and your fellow Christian haters try to obstruct a gay pride parade down Broad Street.

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Gage Creed 12/02/12 - 04:19 pm
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Yeah...xians are almost as

Yeah...xians are almost as melodramatic as apetheists..... (eyeroll)

Ol_Froth
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Ol_Froth 12/02/12 - 05:05 pm
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Your Rights Are Not Being Affected

No one is preventing Christians from erecting nativities on private property or the lawns of their churches. Your free speech and first amendment rights are in no way impacted by this decision, unless what you want is special rights, that is the right to erect a sectarian display on public property to the exclusion of all others.

specsta
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specsta 12/02/12 - 05:16 pm
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Issues?

I seriously do not recall any marches or protests against homelessness, no bumper stickers supporting food assistance, and no T-shirts proclaiming the horror of being poor. I have not seen the sit-ins and demonstrations that demand that the less fortunate be treated like human beings, nor have I seen any letter-writing campaigns addressing the rising hunger in this country.

What do we get from "Christians"? Protests against abortion, gay rights, porn, cussin' or nudity on TV, abstinence, sexual education/contraception and other issues that amount to a bunch of malarkey.

Meanwhile, children go hungry, the homeless are neglected, prisoners are mistreated, the sick go bankrupt and teen pregnancies continue.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 12/02/12 - 06:16 pm
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Due to lack of time (heading

Due to lack of time (heading to evening worship service), I can not provide Specsta a whole list of compassion and relief efforts that Christian Charities have provided the poor and needy, not only in this area but around the world but here is one I personal have been involved in and know what a tremendous help these volunteer Christians have provided.

Since 1993, more than 94 million boys and girls in over 130 countries have experienced God's love through Operation Christmas Child. Just this year our church prepared almost 200 boxes and that is just a small tip of what this community contributes through local churches. These boxes provide not only toys but personal hygiene items like tooth paste, hand wipes, etc.

In 2011, Operation Samaritan's Purse has provided desperately needed relief to nearly one million people in the two years since a devastating earthquake hit Haiti. In 2011, they completed construction on transitional housing for about 75,000 people, and tens of thousands received safe drinking water from the community filtration systems.

In 2011, World Medical Mission sent 454 volunteer doctors and dentists to 32 countries around the globe. These dedicated believers use their specialized skills to provide life-saving medical care and train local staff.

Samaritan’s Purse has also provided disaster relief to the victims of Hurricane Sandy, not to mention all the food programs they have and this is just one Christian agency providing care to the poor and needy.

So specsta when you laminate about Christians not doing anything for the poor and needy, how about get your facts straight and do some research. How about contacting area churches and Christian charities to find out just how much food, money, clothing, etc. is given to those less fortunate. Just because we all not toot our horn and make a show of helping others, does not mean we all sit back and horde our blessings. There are those of us who truly believe, it is more blessed to give than to receive and personally, I’m about sick of hearing “Christians don’t do anything for the poor”.

I'll be sure and pray for a change in attitude....for you and for myself because right now, your continuous belittling comments don't make me feel very Christian-like.

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KSL 12/02/12 - 07:17 pm
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ICL

It's easier to have the government do the transfer of wealth than actually roll up your sleeves or dig into your own pockets.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 12/02/12 - 08:22 pm
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Might be easier KSL but not

Might be easier KSL but not more efficient. When you dig into your own pocket and give to one of these charities they sure can make the money go further to reach more families, than giving it to the government and 90% of it goes into THEIR pocket.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 12/02/12 - 08:37 pm
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Well guess my thumbs down

Well guess my thumbs down buddy believes the government can do a better job.......I don't think so.

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CobaltGeorge 12/02/12 - 09:14 pm
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Thanks Lola

November 18, 2012
Will Hobby Lobby Have to Close Its 500 Stores
[reposted from a facebook post: One of finest Christian owned businesses in the country, Hobby Lobby, may have to close. What a tragedy.]
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A Letter from Hobby Lobby Stores CEO
By David Green, the founder and CEO of Hobby Lobby Stores, Inc.

When my family and I started our company 40 years ago, we were working out of a garage on a $600 bank loan, assembling miniature picture frames. Our first retail store wasn't much bigger than most people's living rooms, but we had faith that we would succeed if we lived and worked according to God's word. From there,Hobby Lobby has become one of the nation's largest arts and crafts retailers, with more than 500 locations in 41 states. Our children grew up into fine business leaders, and today we run Hobby Lobby together, as a family.

We're Christians, and we run our business on Christian principles. I've always said that the first two goals of our business are (1) to run our business in harmony with God's laws, and (2) to focus on people more than money. And that's what we've tried to do. We close early so our employees can see their families at night. We keep our stores closed on Sundays, one of the week's biggest shopping days, so that our workers and their families can enjoy a day of rest. We believe that it is by God's grace that Hobby Lobby has endured, and he has blessed us and our employees. We've not only added jobs in a weak economy, we've raised wages for the past four years in a row. Our full-time employees start at 80% above minimum wage.

But now, our government threatens to change all of that. A new government health care mandate says that our family business MUST provide what I believe are abortion-causing drugs as part of our health insurance. Being Christians, we don't pay for drugs that might cause abortions, which means that we don't cover emergency contraception, the morning-after pill or the week-after pill. We believe doing so might end a life after the moment of conception, something that is contrary to our most important beliefs. It goes against the Biblical principles on which we have run this company since day one. If we refuse to comply, we could face $1.3 million PER DAY in government fines.

Our government threatens to fine job creators in a bad economy. Our government threatens to fine a company that's raised wages four years running. Our government threatens to fine a family for running its business according to its beliefs. It's not right. I know people will say we ought to follow the rules; that it's the same for everybody. But that's not true. The government has exempted thousands of companies from this mandate, for reasons of convenience or cost. But it won't exempt them for reasons of religious belief.

So, Hobby Lobby and my family are forced to make a choice. With great reluctance, we filed a lawsuit today, represented by the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, asking a federal court to stop this mandate before it hurts our business. We don't like to go running into court, but we no longer have a choice. We believe people are more important than the bottom line and that honoring God is more important than turning a profit.

My family has lived the American dream. We want to continue growing our company and providing great jobs for thousands of employees, but the government is goinmake that much more difficult. The government is forcing us to choose between following our faith and following the law. I say that's a choice no American and no American business should have to make.
The government cannot force you to follow laws that go against your fundamental religious belief. They have exempted thousands of companies but will not except Christian organizations including the Catholic church.

Since you will not see this covered in any of the liberal media, pass this on to all your contacts.

Sincerely,
David Green, CEO and Founder of Hobby Lobby Stores, Inc."

Ol_Froth
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Ol_Froth 12/02/12 - 10:33 pm
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So, Does Hobby Lobby provide

So, Does Hobby Lobby provide any sort of healthcare for its employees? How does Hobby Lobby feel if their employees use their pay to purchase contraceptives? And if Hobby Lobby goes out of business? Well, then some other big-box hobby store will surely come in to take up the slack...free markets and all. Adapt, or die.

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Fiat_Lux 12/03/12 - 10:22 am
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@specsta

So the wiccans having a festival on public land shouldn't be allowed either? Then you better notify the Augusta CC and the North Augusta city council, so that come next year it can be held on private land instead of in a public park. No more Pendleton-King or North Augusta city parks for that religious group. No siree.

Fiat_Lux
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Fiat_Lux 12/03/12 - 04:39 pm
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Ol_Froth

Yeah, that's what the Nazis were all about too: adapt or die. Morals and values don't have any place in modern society, right? We're all about having a good time and doing whatever we want, as long as we don't offend any of the sensibilities of the protected groups!

In other words, apparently you're saying, "We're all bozos on this bus."

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Oh Phooey 12/03/12 - 10:08 pm
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Hobby "Made in China" Lobby

"With great reluctance, we filed a lawsuit today, represented by the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, asking a federal court to stop this mandate before it hurts our business."

Wow, talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Hobby Lobby sells the cheapest and finest junk all from countries with horrendous labor laws, barely livable wages paid to workers who work very long hours and not to mention a few communist countries all the while making a MAJOR profit on this merchandise but yet somehow this health mandate will hurt their business. PFFFTTTTTTTTTTTTTT...................

"We believe people are more important than the bottom line and that honoring God is more important than turning a profit."

BALONEY!

Tell you what, when you start supporting American made products (oh wait you can't because we can't make it cheap enough) and selling it at honest American prices (won't happen since we are all drunk on cheap prices because well we won't work for $1 a day) then we can discuss Mr. Hobby Lobby and his so called "Christian Principals".

InChristLove
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InChristLove 12/06/12 - 02:10 pm
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"but yet somehow this health

"but yet somehow this health mandate will hurt their business. "

Oh Phooey, PFFFTTTTTT, AND BALONEY........this isn't about profits or affordabilty......It's about coverage that goes against the owner's religious beliefs.

"Owners of Hobby Lobby continue to fight a mandate that would require them to provide “abortion-causing drugs” in their employee health insurance plan.

The owners of Hobby Lobby say their evangelical Christian beliefs prohibit them from providing insurance coverage for drugs like RU-486, which blocks a hormone needed to continue a pregnancy.

They also are opposed to providing coverage for Plan B or Ella, known as the “morning-after pill.”

"The suit says the 2010 Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act would force religiously motivated business owners to “violate their faith under threat of millions of dollars in fines.”

Hobby Lobby provides health coverage to their employees, they just don't want to have to include in their coverage, abortion inducing drugs which violates their religious beliefs.

PS....there are hundreds of American business that "sells the cheapest and finest junk all from countries with horrendous labor laws, barely livable wages paid to workers who work very long hours and not to mention a few communist countries all the while making a MAJOR profit on this merchandise "

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