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Referencing the current talks about the approaching fiscal cliff dilemma, it appears that now that the Democrats are in power in the White House and the Senate, they are telling the Republican majority in the House of Representatives to go pound salt! Thus, we have the same gridlock that we’ve had for the past two years since the 2010 congressional elections.

Prior to that, the Democrats had control of the Senate and the House of Representatives, which enabled President Obama the power to ram through Obama’s health-care bill, the stimulus bills, etc.

Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has sat on 20-plus pieces of legislation authored and passed by the House of Representatives since 2010 – legislation toward fixing our economy; limiting the spend and spend agenda of the Democrats; and legislation toward helping us create jobs. They seem to want to do everything they can to kill the economy and discourage investors and entrepreneurs from having the financial resources to create jobs.

Thus, it looks like we’re doomed to four more years of deficit spending, more spending and, finally, more spending. When we all come to the realization that we no longer have a solvent republic and Obama appoints himself as supreme ruler for life, we’ll no longer care what he does! Will the red states secede from the Union? Will half the population migrate to other countries? Should that occur, the blue states will implode because there will be no one working anymore to provide revenues to Obama to sustain Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, Congress or the administration.

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willie7
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willie7 12/01/12 - 12:02 am
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Where do these people live
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Where do these people live that write such letters? I wonder do they believe what they write.

Techfan
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Techfan 12/01/12 - 04:50 am
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Oh no! What might these "jobs" bill be?

H.R. 872: Limits the EPA regulation of pesticide, fungicide, rodenticide, and sewage dumped in waterways. A bill to allow more water pollution. Not a jobs bill.

H.R.910: Limits the EPA from regulation of greenhouse gases. A bill to allow more air pollution. Not a jobs bill.

H.R. 2018: Limits the EPA from enforcing the Clean Water Act and having a state decide if it's ok to pollute its waterways. A bill to allow more pollution. Not a jobs bill.

H.R. 1315: Effectively kills the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau and kills government assistance to homeowners from mortagage crisis. Takes away consumer protection in favor of big corporations. Not a jobs bill.

H.R. 2587: Guts powers of the National Labor Relations Board to enforce law. Gives more power to large corporations. Not a jobs bills.

H.R. 2401: Blocks the EPA from enforcing majors parts of the Clean Air Act mostly regarding companies that dump mercury and limit the EPA
from enforcing the Cross-State Air Pollution Rule. A give away to polluters over citizens. Not a jobs bill.

Just part of the list but you get the idea. Nothing really about jobs, just making it easier for companies to poison the air and water, take away private citizens' rights, and give corporations more tax breaks even if it's for shipping jobs overseas. They also wasted time by voting at least 33 times to repeal the Affordable Care Act, knowing it would never pass, and quite a few votes over womens' body parts. Since the GOP held hearings and called the EPA's ban and regulation on python importation a "job killer" (pythons are destroying many native species in the Everglades) there obviously is no hope for them.

Techfan
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Techfan 12/01/12 - 04:59 am
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"Where do these people live that write such letters?"

Everywhere, it's just that they watch nothing but Faux "News", only listen to am radio, (Rush, Beck, Hannity, and crew wouldn't just make stuff up for ratings and pockets full of cash, or Vicodin and Viagra, would they?), and believe the stuff in viral emails. Heck, a bunch have probably sent money to a prince in Nigeria.

seenitB4
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seenitB4 12/01/12 - 07:12 am
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nnaaaahhhh techfan

pockets full of cash, or Vicodin and Viagra, would they?), and believe the stuff in viral emails. Heck, a bunch have probably sent money to a prince in Nigeria.

Not sending any money to the prince butt pssst ...do ya know where I can find the vicodin?? :)

Techfan
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Techfan 12/01/12 - 07:31 am
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Call in on Limbaugh's show.

Call in on Limbaugh's show.

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wayne2410 12/01/12 - 07:35 am
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If anyone has sent money
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If anyone has sent money overseas it is to hide it from taxes, not for a prince. I encourage all upper income folks to do so, hide your money, shut down your businesses and refuse to cooperate or help the administration in any way. Same for us average folks though it will be harder, do not spend any money in the economy that you do not have to, be as unproductive as you can afford to be though this is hard for most of us, as conservatives we believe in working as opposed to liberals who believe in taking. In short we need to stage an economic rebellion, if we do not stop the dangerous progressives they are going to wreck this country, on purpose. And most important, arm yourself fellow conservatives, we are going to need it before this gets resolved.

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Jane18 12/01/12 - 08:39 am
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Techfan and His Think-a-Like Political Friends

Techfan and others, you REALLY do believe everything obama has said, don't you? I have no words that can break the deceptiveness you all are under. But, believe this, you will see how fooled you were and are one day.................just a matter of time!

dichotomy
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dichotomy 12/01/12 - 09:32 am
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Techfan.....well, as usual

Techfan.....well, as usual your interpretation of the legislation is totally wrong. I'll just use your first misinterpretation as an example.

HR 872 does NOT limit the EPA from regulating ANYTHING. It merely says that an Administrator or a State may not REQUIRE A SEPARATE PERMIT for things that are ALREADY COVERED IN OTHER parts of the EPA REGULATIONS and which are already LEGAL for SALE and DISTRIBUTION under those EPA regs. And it SPECIFICALLY says this DOES NOT APPLY to the things you are railing about.

`(2) EXCEPTIONS- Paragraph (1) SHALL NOT APPLY to the following discharges of a pesticide or pesticide residue:
`(A) A discharge resulting from the application of a pesticide in violation of a provision of the Federal Insecticide, Fungicide, and Rodenticide Act that is relevant to protecting water quality, if--
`(i) the discharge would not have occurred but for the violation; or
`(ii) the amount of pesticide or pesticide residue in the discharge is greater than would have occurred without the violation.
`(B) Stormwater discharges subject to regulation under subsection (p).
`(C) The following discharges subject to regulation under this section:
`(i) Manufacturing or industrial effluent.
`(ii) Treatment works effluent.
`(iii) Discharges incidental to the normal operation of a vessel, including a discharge resulting from ballasting operations or vessel biofouling prevention.'.

Why do you want to make a company get ANOTHER permit for something that is already covered, and is already prosecutable and fineable under other parts of the same regulation for using a product that is legal for sale and already has limits in the regulations for the amount can be dischagred into a waterway?

It IS a jobs bill to reduce regulations and stop having to get ANOTHER PERMIT FOR SOMETHING THAT IS ALREADY COVERED BY YET ANOTHER REGULATION. ALL of these are jobs bills addressing specific, detailed problems. Unlike the typical Democrat legislative actions that say "we want you to have to get so many different permits to do one thing that we know at least one of them will be disapproved and hold you up forever until you finally give up and move your company to China".

Your interpretation of the rest of those bills is similarly WRONG as usual and all of them are meant to reduce redundant regulations that cost money and strangle jobs.....which is exactly why most of our manufacturing jobs have gone overseas. ALL of those are JOBS BILLS.

People who do not understand all they know mostly vote Democrat. That's why their representatives pass things like Obamacare and don't read them because most Democrats like the "big" ideology and have no concerns for the details, consequences, or unintended collateral damage. As long as a bill seems to be anti-Republican, anti-business, and contains free stuff they don't care what the guts of it really says or does because they are not bright enough to understand it anyway. They are "chant" voters. Come up with a good anti-Republican chant and you can sell a Democrat anything because they don't have the inclination or brains to read and understand the actual bill. Which is how we got Obamacare.

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allhans 12/01/12 - 10:06 am
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I think perhaps the chant

I think perhaps the chant voters listen to MSNBC, from there they get the chants and the talking points for the day.

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DanK 12/01/12 - 11:23 am
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The government will spent money?

This is a shock to me. The government spending money. Really? Wow! I'm sure the government never spent money before Obama took office. And I bet, if Republicans were in charge of the government, they wouldn't spend money. Just like in Georgia. Republicans don't spend money. They create jobs. But they don't collect taxes, because they don't need to spend money. They even pay their own way! Wow! How foolish Americans are, to elect government officials who spend money, when they could elect Republicans instead to not spend any money. How could we have missed that?

Let's get it straight. All politicians spend money and regulate the rest of us. That's what politicians do. They spend money and they legislate ways to control others and they enforce their will on the people. The only difference between the Republicans and Democrats is what they spend the money on and the proximate source of the money. Democrats prefer to tax, pay as they go, and spend on education, healthcare and other social programs. Republicans prefer to borrow, transferring the bill to later generations, and spend on military and funneling more into the hands of the wealthy. Both are taking our money and the money of our children, and they are spending it. That's what politicians do. And if you don't like it -- well, they are the ones with the guns and the prisons.

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dichotomy 12/01/12 - 12:13 pm
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Give a Democrat a 3 word

Give a Democrat a 3 word rhythmic chant and a union leader to show them how and where to march and you've got yourself a major social justice issue. They have no idea what they are marching for but they can remember the chant. Just watch sometimes when a reporter interviews some of them and asks to explain the issue. Their eyes get that dear in the headlights look and they either walk away or their mouth flies open and some "valley girl" gobbledy gook speak comes out that makes absolutely no sense. Totally clueless and voting for Obama 'cause he ain't an "old white guy".

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burninater 12/01/12 - 02:08 pm
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Totally clueless and voting

Totally clueless and voting for Obama 'cause he ain't an "old white guy".
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dichotomy, my proudest vote was for that old white guy Nader.

If you believe the excuses enough, you become blind to the reasons and will continue to lose, again and again.

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RMSHEFF 12/01/12 - 02:38 pm
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Techfan is

Techfan is obviously a "super tree hugger". ALL regulations cost money and jobs thus lower our standard of living. The key is to find a balance. Most tree huggers go overboard and kill the goose that lays the golden egg.
A good example is the use of DDT. DDT is a very effective product and can be used safely. DDT was banned in America and most of the rest of the world. This is a highly effective chemical for insect control. It is estimated that many millions of people have died as the result of malaria in third world countries. The use of DDT could have saved millions of lives with minimal risk, however the tree huggers were successful in having it banned.

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chascushman 12/01/12 - 03:14 pm
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“Where do these people live that write such letters?”
Willie7, we live everywhere but we have not been brainwashed by the left or dumbed down by the public school system.

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burninater 12/01/12 - 03:14 pm
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RMSHEFF, the belief that the

RMSHEFF, the belief that the only type of job-creating industry possible is that which is wasteful and pollutive has been shown, time and again, to be false. Additionally, the history of industrialization has shown, time and again, that when a company can dump the toxic byproducts of their manufacturing processes where and when they want, they will do so.

Why is the party of "personal responsibility" so defensive of a policy of allowing private interests to dump THEIR garbage into streams and air with impunity? If you produce garbage, you should be responsible for its proper disposal.

And be thankful DDT use was halted. It did not just damage mosquitos, it also produced mortality in their primary predators. Because of their high birth rates and short generation spans, insects evolve resistance to pesticides rapidly. The midterm outlook on DDT use would have been increased DDT-resistant mosquito populations with decreased mosquito predator populations. In other words, a short-term drop in malaria rates would have been followed by a more significant, harder to manage, increase.

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Little Lamb 12/01/12 - 03:58 pm
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DDT

Thank you for your post at 2:38, RMSHEFF. I've been saying that for decades. Now, finally, they are trying a program in India where you paint a DDT/water solution on the interior walls of houses. The mosquitoes light on the walls and die, and no DDT enters the environment.

Wish I could try that in Augusta, but it's too hard to find DDT. If anyone is coming back from India, please buy some for me and I'll reimburse you.

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Bizkit 12/01/12 - 07:08 pm
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Well we all know the only

Well we all know the only jobs the govt creates are govt jobs. The private sector drives the economy-the govt isn't designed for state capitalism. Free market-capitalism recaptiluates "evolution" as free competition drives new ideas and success-same reason the internet is so successful. The more bureacracy the more inefficient-that isn't saying no regulations though. The govt's jos it to assue a fair and even playing field for competition-and only help out the most needy. Whoever can compete in the great lanscape of life needs to be a player in the game-and a tax payer. We need to let the Bush tax cuts subside but only a modest tax increase-we all have to participate in reducing the deficit. Then place a bounty on the head of any politician of any party who will not generate a balanced budget with reduced spending. Let's turn the table on Congress-these losers design a game that screws us with this Cliff nonsense-let them pay for their trespasses. If they can't come to terms then they need to suffer not us before Christmas. Congress is pathetic.

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dwb619 12/01/12 - 07:22 pm
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ddt

Wasn't DDT the reason for the eagles thin egg shell problem?

Bizkit
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Bizkit 12/01/12 - 07:13 pm
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Silent Spring comes to mind.

Silent Spring comes to mind. I'm old enough to remember DDT, Myrex which was great, and Agent Orange-use to use it pulp wooding killin' oak trees. Been exposed too nasty stuff myself. Probably explains a lot eh. Course they used in Nam too but I didn't take that ride.

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KSL 12/01/12 - 07:28 pm
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I have lost several friends

I have lost several friends to the effects of agent orange. Sad.

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