Writer should 'judge not'

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I was shocked that you chose to print Paul W. Rosenthal’s truly appalling essay in Sunday’s editorial section (“Voting your faith in 2012: Social justice, abortion and apples,” Nov. 4). Such hateful internecine savagery is best left to the confines of ecclesiastical walls – or, better yet, to the confessional. And while the complete fusion of church and state may not be historically un-Catholic, it is certainly un-American.

In my freshman year theology class at Holy Cross College, the Jesuit priests taught us that the meaning of a biblical precept, “Judge not, lest ye be judged,” was this: If any person presumes to judge the soul of another, he risks incurring the wrath of a jealous God, Who has reserved that prerogative unto Himself alone. If I were the true, authentic Catholic Mr. Rosenthal advertises himself to be, I do not think I would run that risk. I do not think I would call other Catholics “fake”; I think I would just be content to be true and authentic myself and let God be God.

Perhaps the best advice for Mr. Rosenthal comes from the play Becket, by the French playwright Jean Anouilh, in a line spoken to an English nobleman by the soon-to-be martyred archbishop and saint Thomas à Becket. Roughly translated, it reads something like this: “Put your sword back into its scabbard, my lord, before you impale your immortal soul upon it.”

Joseph J. O’Connell

Augusta

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faithson
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faithson 11/06/12 - 01:42 am
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Pride goeth before a fall...

Thank you Joe for expressing so well what many of us 'cradles' find unnerving about Paul and his sect's Catholic self adulation.

TruthJusticeFaithHope
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TruthJusticeFaithHope 11/06/12 - 03:30 am
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Joseph J. O'Connell, thank

Joseph J. O'Connell, thank you for writing a response to the horribly judgemental letter of Mr. Rosenthal. I wanted to, but my words didn't come out as clearly as yours have. It is good that we have free speech, and good that we can offer our own perspective on large issues, such as abortion, faith and humanity. Judge not indeed. For every person who thinks abortion is evil, I believe that having a child you don't want, and neglecting, failing to protect or care for, or worse yet, abusing that child, is even more insidious. There are thousands of examples of lost children right here in our region to prove this.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 11/06/12 - 07:17 am
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It is odd that someone who

It is odd that someone who believes that according to scripture, God is the creator of life would then justify the taking of life. Are we not trying to play God when we are then ones who decide which life is better off not existing. Indeed, having a child you do not wish to be responsible for, neglecting or even abusing the child is horrible. But isn't the issue really the need to prevent unwanted pregnancies, isn't the issue really parental education, isn't the issue abuse awareness training, rather than death?

Unwanted pregnancies are going to happen, neglect and abuse will happen, they have from the beginning of time and will continue to the end of the age, but why does death have to be the answer to this issues instead of working on ways to prevent these from occurring.

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soapy_725 11/06/12 - 10:31 am
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Pride goeth before destruction and a haughty
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spirit before a fall. Getting your quoting correct. We love those who deny the portions of the Bible that speak of "their sin" and use those freely that speak of others. Judging our fellow mankind and looking at the fruits of their spirit are two very different things. Judging the "salvation or lack of salvation is God's alone. Saying who will and will not be saved is God's alone. Looking at the visible actions of those who murder innocent babies is a "duty" of every Christian. Know them by their fruits? Why must Christians observe the lifestyles of others? So that they are not deceived by t he little foxes who enter the church to destroy the true faith. See, the little foxes have entered the sanctuary of God and declared that it is a woman's right to "do murder". If all of the congregation accepts her personal choice, then all become murderers.

Get you judging and observation of lives lived by Biblical Principles.

What would Jesus say? I think He would say by your rules of women's rights, Mary would have taken care of her "inconvenience (demonic minded questioned) pregnancy and never told a soul.

What would Jesus say? If you truly love Me, you will keep my commandments. Do no murder? Suffer the little children to come unto me. As you would others would do unto you, do also unto them. Do no murder.

God given life is only important to those who believe they have God given life.

You have no fault in a man generated document that declares that ALL have a right to life.

You have not fault with half of the Ten Commandments. The half that declares our relationship and responsibility to Almighty God.

You have not problem with plays and any sort of human reasoning. You only have a problem with your responsibility to God for sin disobedient.

You are the reason Christians must constantly test "every spirit to see if it is of God". What's growing on your tree? Murder for convenience?

soapy_725
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soapy_725 11/06/12 - 10:46 am
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If laws, man's or God's
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are only to be obeyed at our convenience, then why have any laws? We are all free agents. Right and wrong a relative, momentary and constantly in flux. Just imagine the tax money that could be saved without police, lawyers and JUDGES>

And is that not what the "little foxes" bring into the church? Situational morality. My sin is okay, your sin is okay? Why then by human reasoning, if it is at this moment it is moral for you to murder a baby, how could you judge me of the murder of someone that poses an inconvenience to me?

You cannot. You can't have it both ways. Right is right is no one does right. Wrong is wrong if everyone does wrong.

The implications of an open and totally free society are endless. We most recently witnessed an attempt at this philosophy in the 1960's. Free everything with no responsibility fueled by mind altering drugs. It sounded great. You could be a child all of your life with not parental boundaries. Playing everyday and exploring every nuance of human life. All within a test tube secured by an orderly system.

Order from chaos requires some rules. Order from chaos requires an adherence to those rules.

God is not the enemy here, it is human self indulgence.

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crkgrdn 11/06/12 - 11:05 am
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Judgment

A most interesting and revealing letter and its supporting commentary.

First is the attack on Rosenthal's person with no attendant consideration of the content of his letter. So, one can be a Catholic and support abortion and embryonic stem cell research.

Jesus did judge the woman accused of fornication and told her to go and sin no more. Where do we get off with not making judgements. Judgements are done everyday as we make choices from choosing whom we associate to behavioral choices.

Perhaps "fake" is not the best word. How about posers?

So, judging is alright if you get to do the judging, Mr. O'Connell?

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Jon Lester 11/06/12 - 11:12 am
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I want subsidized contraception for all low-income Americans,

to help avoid certain other choices and to promote a healthier future tax base.

I also want American citizens to be free of those who would have them feel guilt in their lives when they've done nothing wrong.

Fiat_Lux
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Fiat_Lux 11/06/12 - 11:56 am
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Sorry, Jon, old pal

Sometimes people just have to be told "no, that's wrong." I know it's hard to hear you can't live completely according to your own lights (or darkness, as the case may be), but it's simply necessary for the greater good of the species.

It is an abuse of the intellect NOT to evaluate the value, rightness or wrongness of our own actions, and of those around us. If you don't see that for yourself, there is no point in trying to explain why it is the case.

Or perhaps you are among those who believe the Ten Commandments are really optional for human beings, based purely on how someone personally defines what is "right" and "wrong".

Chris 232
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Chris 232 11/06/12 - 12:09 pm
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Thank you ACES
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Just a word of thanks to ACES for publishing Rosenthal's obnoxious and obscene letter. It's clear from most of the posts so far that such rhetoric only emboldens the Augusta Catholic community to cast their vote for Obama. Rosenthal should consider moving to Westboro, Kansas where he can be closer to his ilk, personified most notably in pastor Fred Phelps.

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Humble Angela 11/06/12 - 12:48 pm
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Jon Lester..... there is
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Jon Lester..... there is already subsidized contraception for all low-income Americans. All they have to do is go to the clinic and get it. What more do you want.....

Fiat_Lux
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Fiat_Lux 11/06/12 - 01:03 pm
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Rosenthal wasn't being judgmental

He was simply doing his Cassandra duty for so many people who call themselves Catholics. He could hardly do anything else when it's abundantly clear that a huge number of people believe they are going to heaven while actively supporting something as evil as driving a knife into the brain of a child as it is being born.

It is unfortunate that many seem to believe that kind of thing isn't important to the Almighty or that there is no cost, no complicity attached to voting for a person who clearly couldn't care less about the Almighty's view of such an act. Unfortunate, and probably deadly.

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howcanweknow 11/06/12 - 02:11 pm
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judge not?

I'm not Catholic, so I won't comment on the Catholic Faith. I'll leave that up to others who know more.

But, I have to concur that the Jesuits were correct: we are not to judge the soul of another. However, that prohibition IN NO WAY precludes Christians from judging the actions, ideas, and words of others who "claim" to be good Christians / Catholics.

Seems like Mr. O'Connell has committed the common error of misquoting scripture out of context to promote a personal agenda. The context of the famous "judge not" passage is not a prohibition against judging; instead, that passage is a warning against hypocrisy. Don't take my word for it -- Check it out for yourself. In fact, Jesus even commands us to JUDGE, and to do so correctly (John 7:24). So much for the often insisted-upon prohibition against judging others! Judging the actions and words of others in light of God's word is not wrong; it fact it is commanded by Christ.

If I profess to be a Catholic, but violate the fundamental precepts of Catholicism, then others have every right to call my religion into question (despite any protestations to the contrary). That is righteous judging, not intolerance or hatred. If a "Catholic" would indeed vote for a candidate that openly supports the abortive murder of innocent children, then I too would openly question the supposed Catholicity of that person. Christians don't support the murder of innocent children, nor can they in good conscience vote for a candidate that does. To do so raises strong arguments against that voter being a genuine Christian. You can't be a genuine Christian if you openly and flagrantly disregard that basic tenets of Christianity; and no manner of misrepresenting the plain biblical teaching can justify such transparent end-runs around the truth.

Maybe Mr. O'Connell should heed his own advice and think more carefully about his own words (and the words of Christ) before condemning the words of others? If he wants to consider the Catholic prohibition against murder as "hateful", then it seems the glint from his own brandished sword may have blinded him to the real truth.

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Fundamental_Arminian 11/06/12 - 02:34 pm
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Mr. Rosenthal is right

I like Mr. Rosenthal's Nov. 4 letter, but not Mr. O'Connell's, which partly quotes the "Judge not, lest ye be judged" verse. Read in context, the verse corroborates Mr. Rosenthal's concerns about the inconsistent judging of sins.

    1 “Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. 3 Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye (Matthew 7:1-5 English Standard Version).

Abortion, the murder of the innocent unborn, shouldn't be thought of as a speck (light sin). Clearly it's a grave sin, and I'm glad Mr. Rosenthal has pointed out the importance of standing up for the unborn's right to life and warning about the consequences of promoting abortions and the immorality that often leads to unwanted pregnancies.

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impossible 11/06/12 - 05:29 pm
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Living in a glass house
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After reading Mr. O’Connell’s vitriolic letter, I retrieved the Sunday paper to see if I had misread Mr. Rosenthal’s letter. I couldn’t recall it containing any language judging the condition or future condition of anyone’s soul. That article was certainly judgmental toward intrinsically evil acts; any Bible-believing Christian would agree wholeheartedly that the actions he spoke of are serious violations of the Commandments and other parts of Scripture.

Being a Catholic myself for many years, I have seen first hand the divisions of which Rosenthal wrote. Mr. O‘Connell leaves no doubt as to where his allegiance lies, and he has every right to believe what he wants to believe and to vote for whomever he wishes.

Given that there was no hateful language in the article and no comments about anyone’s soul, it seemed odd and hypocritical of Mr. O’Connell to judge the writer’s faith and soul. I have often noticed the use of that tactic by the left-wingers of our country - to accuse others of that of which they themselves are most guilty.

I presume Mr. O’Connell was baptized into the Catholic church, but have to wonder how he answers someone who asks him what his religion is. From his letter one might believe his answer could very well be, “Well, I was raised Catholic, but........

Fiat_Lux
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Fiat_Lux 11/06/12 - 05:40 pm
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As my dad used to say to us,

It's a hit dog that hollers.

Nothing like having the Lord convict you in your heart about something you don't want to admit or submit to, to get you rationalizing and misdirecting with every ounce of belligerence you can muster. Huh, Joe?

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