Obama needs independents

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There is an ancient curse that warns: Be careful – you may get what you want. Let us consider then what a Mitt Romney presidency would be like.

He has refused to get specific, and flips his positions regularly, so the best clue to his views may be in the remarks in which he indicated no interest in the 47 percent of us who pay no income tax, along with his fondness for the positions of Paul Ryan when he chose him for his vice president.

As president, we should expect him to want to cut deeply into social programs such as “Obamacare,” Medicare, Medicaid and the safety net that has been built over 70 years. These being of vital interest to Democrats in Congress, and being popular with the public, the Senate should be expected to require 60 votes for passage, a procedure honed to perfection over the past four years by Republicans. We should expect that there would be very little reduction in expenditures, perhaps less than if Obama were re-elected, as he would have more influence with Democrats than Romney.

On increasing revenue, Romney has sworn not to raise tax rates, particularly on those like himself. Instead, he claims, again without details, that he will raise revenues by putting millions of the unemployed back to work. The only way that has worked was by federal stimulus, and he has shown zero interest in that.

Bottom line: There would be gridlock on reductions in spending and no increase in revenue, with the result of four more years of annual trillion-dollar deficits.

The only bright spot of a Romney victory would be that Obama would allow the Bush tax cuts to expire, while urging Congress to reinstate those for the middle class in 2013, knowing Romney as president would perpetuate them.

To avoid this ugly scenario, we need independent voters to vote for Obama.

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agustinian
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agustinian 10/21/12 - 06:35 am
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You're Kiddin' Right?

Let's see, Obama came in in 2008 on "Hope and Change" with not one specific. The ultimate irony is the Obama campaign pointing to Romney and saying "he doesn't offer specifics." Well instead of listening to the Obama palaver, why don't you go to the Romney campaign web site and get the specifics you long for.
We need a smaller government, one that we can actually afford. If you taxed the top 1% at the 100% tax rate you would still have at least a $200 Million deficit every year under Obama.
Current government spending is now 25% of the country's economy, the highest it has every been since WWII.
We have a spending problem, not a revenue problem.

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RMSHEFF 10/21/12 - 08:11 am
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Victor

Victor…"There you go again" to coin a phrase. Your ancient curse is most applicable to Obama not Romney. We knew nothing about Obama and still don't however, he has a record now. Romney did not indicate he was not interested in the 47%. He stated that people who are not paying any Federal income tax would not be attracted to his plan of cutting taxes. He will cut in to Federal spending because Obama's spending has put us on the brink of insolvency. I don't think you care at all about the 16+ trillion dollar debt. It sounds as if you want to keep borrowing and spending like Obama. This will not end well. You state that the only thing that has worked to put people back to work is Obama's $750 billion Federal stimulus. Earth to Victor, earth to Victor, what planet have you been living on the past 4 years. After 4 years of Obama at the controls and trillions of spending what do we have to show for it. 40+ months of unemployment over 8% and less people working today than before all the spending….yea.. we need more of this! Independents are turning to Romney and his record as a job creator and away from a "community agitator" like Obama.

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omnomnom 10/21/12 - 08:37 am
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I would hope that any

I would hope that any independent who is so far undecided would seriously look at alternatives to Obamney. Jill Stein, Gary Johnson. Anything to break the two party stranglehold on the nation.

Angie H
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Angie H 10/21/12 - 08:39 am
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You will never convince the

You will never convince the Obama zombies who just keep repeating the same old lies, like the 47% lie or the lie that Romney has no specifics.

impossible
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impossible 10/21/12 - 08:56 am
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Victor graces us every 30
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Victor graces us every 30 days or so with his fitting epitaph: "Here lies Victor Reilly" He might want to face the truth and manfully state it before he is on the wrong side of the sod. Politics isn't everything Victor. Eternity is.

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bubbasauce 10/21/12 - 10:08 am
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Victor, Victor. I did happen

Victor, Victor. I did happen to notice you said, " the 47% of us who pay no taxes " that explains everything! Unbelievable!

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carcraft 10/21/12 - 10:12 am
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I love Obama's ignorance!

I love Obama's ignorance! Health care expert Obama said during the last debate that cutting federal funding to Planned Parenthood would hurt women's access to health care such as mammograms. Turns out not one Planned Parenthood facility oz certified to provide mammograms! Unlike many of the hard core 47% Romney talked about independents actually study the issues.

omnomnom
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omnomnom 10/21/12 - 10:15 am
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from Augusta's Planned Parenthood website

Augusta Center offers the following women's health services:

checkups when you have a reproductive/sexual health problem
breast exams
cervical cancer screening
colposcopy
cryotherapy
fibroids evaluation
mammogram referrals
Pap test
routine physicals for women age 12 and older

soapy_725
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soapy_725 10/21/12 - 10:22 am
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Hey, maybe sharing everything is fair. Is it just?
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How about sharing in the labor effort? Biblical Communism. Biblical village mentality. Everyone is productive and the fruits of all of their labors is shared. All do not have to have the same type of production. Care for the widows and orphans. No mention of bastards. If you don't provide for your family you are worse than an infidel. And in the Obama faith, infidels are killed. You don't work, you do not eat. Leaders are the husband of one wife (female), responsibly productive adults and manage their personal finances/home efficiently.

Food, clothing, a roof and law enforcement are the basic needs. Only one law is needed. As you would that your neighbor would do to you, do likewise to your neighbor. The only perfect Lord, Jesus, rules over and judges all.

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justthefacts 10/21/12 - 10:25 am
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Yep

No mammograms at planned parenthood. Maybe the President was confused.

TK3
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TK3 10/21/12 - 10:29 am
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Two ballot boxes down;

If you are choosing the lesser evil, it is still evil, and you are registering your consent to that evil. If you refuse to vote, you are at least depriving them of that: your consent. So stay home. Bake a cake. Say a prayer. Mow your lawn. Smoke a joint. Do anything except vote.--Ellen Finnigan

Join the majority and vote for neither of the pretenders so the SYSTEM, that really picks the two we get to "rubberstamp", gets the message that we won't play their rigged game anymore.

Rigged voting - with its high levels of team spirit and cheerleading - is satiating to the uneducated and Big Brother socialist school graduates, and can help to reduce adults hunger for healthy debate and facts.

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avidreader 10/21/12 - 10:31 am
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Stimulus? What?

Mr. Reilly, to quote from your letter:
". . . he [Romney] will raise revenues by putting millions of the unemployed back to work. The only way that has worked was by federal stimulus, and he has shown zero interest in that."

If I am not mistaken, federal stimulus dollars did NOT work; in fact, the plan was a bust. Even Mr. Obama omitted that "shovel ready wasn't as shovel ready as we had anticipated" [paraphrase].

Maybe Mr. Romney is not the man for the job -- Maybe. But Obama has proven that he is not the man. Mr. Obama has burned too many bridges, and it's time for a set of fresh eyes. Mr. Obama gave it his best shot, but . . . It's time to buy a new house in Chicago.

We need a new emperor.

TK3
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TK3 10/21/12 - 10:31 am
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Dimocrats;

Obama and the Socialist Democrats have never seen a dollar they would not steal from those that earned it and give (part of) it to those who didn't, in exchange for a vote.

TK3
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TK3 10/21/12 - 11:05 am
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Tired of "rubberstamping"?

We need a new (Constitution based) Party & "HONEST" elections, fast.. because its very near too late !

The tax and spend Dimopublicans don't have Libertarian like ethics of non-initiation of force or an oath to not violate individual rights as that would NOT allow the socialist Democrats their expansive use of force to gain or redistribute others wealth and subjugate individuals to the will of the "collective" nor would it allow the Neo~fascist backed "New Order" Republicans their ruling class government, state religion and endless bloody wars for profit and corporate welfare.

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faithson 10/21/12 - 10:41 am
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mitt, all things to all people

There is something in that 'grin' of his that says; This is my destiny. Well I for one am hoping that after 8 years of campaigning for the job, the American people give him a resounding, GO GET ANOTHER JOB.

Angie H
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Angie H 10/21/12 - 10:42 am
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Obama thinks planned

Obama thinks planned parenthood provides mammograms, and thinks that there are 57 or more states in the US, Biden things we have troops serving in Iran, but the Obama zombies will continue to support them because they are incapable of telling the difference between facts and the lies that they tell.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/the-latest-biden-gaffe-apparently-we-hav...

Angie H
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Angie H 10/21/12 - 10:44 am
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"Well I for one am hoping

"Well I for one am hoping that after 8 years of campaigning for the job, the American people give him a resounding, GO GET ANOTHER JOB."

I think he means Obama....that's all he's done is campaign. He sure isn't spending the time going to intelligence briefings or meeting with the jobs council. Too busy going on talk shows and parties...even while people are getting killed in the country that HE started a war in.

Angie H
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Angie H 10/21/12 - 11:00 am
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Given the Democratic party's

Given the Democratic party's appalling history of voting against any and all civil rights bills (if they didn't filibuster them) I can't believe ANYONE who supports equal rights would support the Democrats. I guess they are just brainwashed. Take a few minutes to watch this. It is filled with FACTS about the Democrats that they try to convince you aren't true.

http://stolenhistory.org/viral/

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Bizkit 10/21/12 - 11:04 am
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Once again, the Communist

Once again, the Communist Party USA support Obama-as they did in 08'. They say they support him because he is dedicated to the same ideology and goals as they. Although it doesn't mean he is a communist, it carries some weight-like some white candidate receiving the endorsement of the KKK. Hint,hint,hint.

TK3
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TK3 10/21/12 - 11:11 am
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None of the above;

The choice before Americans is not, as a rule, between good and evil but between two evils. You can let the Democrats rule the world; that is evil; or you can overthrow them by voting in the Republicans, which is also evil. There is no other choice (allowed to be put) before you.
..the devil getting at us. He always sends errors into the world in pairs – pairs of opposites. And he always encourages us to spend a lot of time thinking which is the worse. You see why, of course? He relies on your extra dislike of the one error to draw you gradually into the opposite one. But do not let us be fooled.

What should one do to combat evil? For starters, I would say stop endorsing it, supporting it, approving it and condoning it with your vote.

If you are choosing the lesser evil, it is still evil, and you are registering your consent to that evil. If you refuse to vote, you are at least depriving them of that: your consent. So stay home. Bake a cake. Say a prayer. Mow your lawn. Smoke a joint. Do anything except vote.--Ellen Finnigan

Join the majority and vote for "none of the above" and or neither of the presidential pretenders so the SYSTEM that really picks them for us to "rubberstamp" gets the message we won't play their rigged game anymore.

dichotomy
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dichotomy 10/21/12 - 11:19 am
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No, let's take a look at

No, let's take a look at Obama for 4 more years. MORE OF THE SAME. $Trillion dollar annual deficits, anemic economic growth, high unemployment, more "green energy" boondoggles, Obamacare driving health insurance up another $2500 per family, but don't worry because most of you will not have private health insurance and will be thrown into Medicaid, and the Muslim Brotherhood in total control of the middle east. Not to mention our military being reduced to pre-WWII levels and a probably total amnesty for all illegal aliens.

" the 47 percent of us who pay no income tax'

The word US explains Victor's drivel on this one. Tell me Victor, do you have ANY concern for the 53% of US who are being forced to pay for 100% of the day to day operation of the US government because we pay ALL of the federal taxes? Do you actually believe that nearly half of the country should not pay anything for the day to day operation of the federal government? Nothing for our defense? Is this really your position.....half pay all and half pay none? I'm not a religious man Victor but, like the church, I feel everyone should tithe the same percentage. If it good enough for a diety it should be good enough for the Democrats.

"and the safety net that has been built over 70 years."

The "safety net" is no longer the safety net. It has become a LIFESTYLE. What we need it the "safety net" to be cut back to where it is actually a SAFETY NET.

"The only way that has worked was by federal stimulus"

Federal stimulus has NEVER worked as a permanent solution. As we speak the stimulus money is running out, layoffs are furloughs are coming back, "stimulated" green energy companies are all going bankrupt, and the auto industry is still stuck with the unions that bankrupted them the first time and their stock price is well below half of what it needs to be for the taxpayer to get their money back and falling.

Looking FORWARD to your next monthly drivel Victor. Oh wait, it will all be over by then won't it? This was your last shot and may I say it was exceptionally weak.

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RMSHEFF
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RMSHEFF 10/21/12 - 11:19 am
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A New Constitution ?

A new constitution?
I agree with much of your statement except the problem is not the Constitution. The problem is with the electorate and mans sin nature. We tend to get the government we deserve and elect. They left us with the framework of the best government man can devise. The more I study our founders the more respect I have for their wisdom. They identified the weakness of our republic and warned us in advance. Consider the following quotes:

John Adams, Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

Alexander Fraser Tytler:
A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.

Where is America in the list below:
The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations from the beginning of history has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage.

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Conservative Man 10/21/12 - 12:13 pm
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dichotomy is right as usual.....

...with one caveat. The safety net has now become a hammock..

..Also , I wish there could be one more VP debate so Good Ole Joe could repeat his condescending smirking laughing "Hee-Haw" grinning performance and turn off the rest of the independents, turning this in to even more of a rout than it already will be....

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Granddaddy John 10/21/12 - 12:37 pm
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I would vote for a monkey
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I would vote for a monkey setting in a sand box sucking on a fly swatter before i would vote for that muslim kissing,fake,lying sucker in the white house now.

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OpenCurtain 10/21/12 - 01:36 pm
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Any Undecided?

I made my mind up 3 years ago right after seeing his tunnel vision for social change and a failure to address the nation as a whole.

Yes he inherited a mess, but what did he do to fix the mess?

Pandering to those with their hand out will not rebuild a country.
But it will quickly see its wealth move to other countries.

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bubbasauce 10/21/12 - 02:02 pm
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To AngieH post, everyone

To AngieH post, everyone needs to watch this one! Great watch. Wake up America! Her 11:00 am post by the way.

Angie H
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Angie H 10/21/12 - 02:36 pm
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bubbasause....the Obama

bubbasause....the Obama zombies will either just claim that it's not true, or attack the source. It's all they have...... either that or attempt to deflect the topic.

Either way....if they THINK it makes Obama or Democrats look bad, they won't even watch it....they don't WANT to know. They prefer to stay uninformed. That's why they keep saying Romney has no plan, etc.

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LariseyJ 10/21/12 - 04:02 pm
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There are no "independents" down here

You are correct but you are wasting your time with the white people down here. I'm white and I know. Obama is the best choice between the two and I hope he wins the Electoral College vote(needs 271). I DO NOT trust Romney because he CANNOT be trusted. He has taken every position possible at any time and any where to seal his DEAL...just like all con-artist business men operate.

carcraft
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carcraft 10/21/12 - 05:25 pm
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LariseyJ Have you been paying

LariseyJ Have you been paying attention? Obama has changed his position on the debt ceiling, using US troops in combat with out Congressional approval, gay marriage, cutting the national debt, health care talks on C-span, no lobbyist in his cabinet (can we say Goldman-Sachs), open administration (denied more FOI requests than Bush) and don't forget gay marriage . I could go on tor hours! Now explain about Romney and flip flopping please!

OpenCurtain
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OpenCurtain 10/21/12 - 07:08 pm
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I like my kool aide unsweeten

To vote for a candidate based on free phones, increase numbers on food stamps, lost jobs, 99 weeks of unemployment benefits, Socialized Health passed without reading it, inflation causing food prices to raise over 24% and gas prices to raise by almost 150% a gallon, or taking credit for the work of the Military in killing OBL! Well Obama must be offering a "special" bend to run and get votes on the factual record.

Like I said I drink my Kool-Aide UNsweeten.

Whoever wins, inherits 12 years of messes. 2 Wars and maybe 2 more coming soon, a crippled economy, a housing mess, people with life savings lost overnight, Bailouts, stimulus on stimulus failures. A lack of real world business sustainable jobs, China owning 1/3 of America Treasury Bonds/notes and more.

Even as sweet as it is, it is a bitter cup to drink from for liberal Democrats I am sure. But Romney at the least understands what it takes to make a "capitalist" economy run and work.

Without a working economy, the 23% with their hands out will eventually get nothing.

Big changes are needed to keep America Moving.

What improvements have you seen in the last 4 years?

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