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Regarding Edward Maner’s Oct. 14 column “Obama is an unfair victim of hatred,” I find it sad and disheartening for a veteran educator of 31 years to assume that all of President Obama’s “detractors” are merely racists. Could it be that reasonable, “astute, fair minded Americans” have observed the state of the economy, the unsustainable debt and the inept handling of this administration’s foreign policy (not to mention the inequitably high unemployment rate for the black constituency), and have come to the reasonable conclusion that no segment of our population can afford four more years with Mr. Obama as our president?

Regarding Mr. Maner’s assertion that “right-wing Republicans have implemented an unfair voting agenda to disenfranchise millions of black Americans to keep Mr. Obama from being re-elected”: In the name of reason and common sense, could it be that reformed voting laws were enacted to prevent unauthorized voters from hijacking that most basic of our democratic rights? After all, is it not reasonable to be required to prove you are who you claim to be to vote, when you must do the same to cash a check or buy a beer?

Mr. Maner’s description of Mr. Obama’s detractors as “modern-day Ku Klux Klansmen” was both disappointing and inflammatory. Such rhetoric should be beneath the level of public discourse that should be expected and demanded in a civilized society.

It seems ironic that Mr. Maner’s last sentence was, “I wonder what Jesus would say about this madness?” I believe His will for us, and my earnest prayer, is that we come to an enlightened spirit of no longer choosing our candidates or judging another person’s motives or political persuasions based on skin color.

Barbara Sweeney

North Augusta, S.C.

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willie7
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willie7 10/17/12 - 09:50 pm
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Ms. Sweeney, buying beer and
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Ms. Sweeney, buying beer and cashing a check are not rights, but choices and can't be equated with voting.
Picture ID, birth certificates are suppression tactics against minorities and/ or democrat voters.There is also computers glitches which have been documented . Some Republicans themselves, have said there are suppression tactics; remember the Pennslyvania senator, who said we will win the state if ID's are required.
I am a member of the Southern Poverty Law Center , and in its last newsletter, it is stated that hate groups have multiplied 10 fold since President Obama has been in office.
And these groups are stock piling weapons by the hundreds.
They want to take their country back by any means neccessary----

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Retired Army 10/17/12 - 09:50 pm
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Right On Barbara

A Black man was elected President and racism was forever banished in not only America but especially the Tea/Republican Party.

It must be so, because Myth Romney says so. Yup that's the ticket.

americafirst
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americafirst 10/18/12 - 05:49 am
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Willie7, the Southern Poverty

Willie7, the Southern Poverty Law Center? That orgainization is itself a hate group. Any group or organization that dares disagree with its liberal agenda gets labeled and designated by them as "hate" groups. Their actions in doing so inflame and incite violence and protest against any group that has the audacity to have a different viewpoint with the goal of suppressing any contrary views. And the really sad part about it is that they don't even recognize thenselves for what they are. They actually believe that their views are morally superior and that they are the righteous tolerant ones.

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Techfan 10/18/12 - 06:12 am
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SPLC a hate group?

SPLC a hate group? Good one. And the Klan is just a southern heritage group.

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chascushman 10/18/12 - 06:28 am
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The NAACP is no longer a
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The NAACP is no longer a civil group it is a special rights group.

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RMSHEFF 10/18/12 - 08:47 am
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Barbara is correct. First of

Barbara is correct. First of all there is no " right to vote" in the constitution. It is a privilege like driving which requires a certain criteria to establish eligibility. The law of the land require that to vote you must be a citizen, a certain age, not a convicted felon etc. How would it
be determined that a person meets these requirements? I know of no other way to "verify" a persons eligibility. What would willie7 suggest to assure that a person is indeed eligible ? Oh, I forgot, liberals arn't concerned with legalities.

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Little Lamb 10/18/12 - 08:51 am
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Where to begin?

Willie7 posted:

Picture ID, birth certificates are suppression tactics against minorities and/or democrat voters.

They keep saying this, over and over, but they never explain how it happens.

Look at the logic: if "minorities" (i.e. blacks) are less capable of obtaining a picture ID than whites are; then those blacks would logically be presumed to be less capable of thinking clearly, of achieving success. I don't for one moment believe blacks are less capable of functioning in society. But those expressing the view that blacks are less capable of obtaining a picture ID would be the racists in the room, because they believe one race is inferior to the other.

Now I am completely flummoxed by Willie's claim that democrats are less capable of obtaining a picture ID than are republicans. That's really a brain teaser. What would make party affiliation a factor in obtaining an ID card? And where do independents fit into the mix?

I give up.

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 10/18/12 - 08:55 am
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Muslims

Willie7 posted:

. . . the Southern Poverty Law Center . . . stated that hate groups have multiplied 10 fold since President Obama has been in office.

Most of them have been Muslim groups.

Angie H
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Angie H 10/18/12 - 08:56 am
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"remember the Pennslyvania

"remember the Pennslyvania senator, who said we will win the state if ID's are required."

What he meant was that if people who aren't elegible to vote are prevented from voting, that he would win. I have no problem supressing the vote of those who aren't eligable, such as non citizens and the "living impaired."

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dichotomy 10/18/12 - 09:09 am
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Although our constitution

Although our constitution guarantees the right of a citizen to vote, that also implies that ONLY citizens have the right to vote. Since our government has failed it's obligation to protect our borders and control immigration, showing ID at the polls is the only way to ensure our elections are being decided by people who are citizens and therefore eligible to vote. Anyone who cannot follow that logic is simply obtuse. The burden of the government to guarantee all citizens can vote implies a very small burden on the voter to prove that they are, in fact, a citizen.

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allhans 10/18/12 - 09:19 am
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An intelligent Democrat

An intelligent Democrat should resent any person who believes them to be inferior.

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 10/18/12 - 09:31 am
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Train of Thought

americafirst posted:

The Southern Poverty Law Center . . . is itself a hate group. Any group or organization that dares disagree with its liberal agenda gets labeled and designated by them as a "hate" group.

Interesting train of thought. First, set your non-profit organization up to be a watchdog on the lookout for hate groups. Establish your Vision Statement and your Mission Statement. Establish your goals and strategies. Then, by definition, anyone who disagrees with your vision, mission, goals or strategies is a hate group. What a system! Contributions should start rolling in.

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RMSHEFF 10/18/12 - 09:36 am
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Dichotomy

There is no "right" to vote. Voting is a privilege. It's never a "right" when everyone can't do it or is allowed to do it. 13 year olds aren't legally allowed to drive. Another example as a privilege. And contrary to poular belief, no where in our constitution does it say voting is a right.

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faithson 10/18/12 - 11:38 am
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bigot is a better word

most men and women that have sent me emails denigrating our President are just plain and simple bigot's. My awesome, loving Uncles in the mid-west are bigots. bigot: : a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance. YEA, that is a good description of all those emails I keep getting !!!

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Angie H 10/18/12 - 11:44 am
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It is also a good description

It is also a good description of those who support Obama, no matter how many times he is caught lying or how much damage he is doing to our country. Those who vote for him and support him simply because of his race. YEA...that is a good description.

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Young Fred 10/18/12 - 11:55 am
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Right on Little Lamb

The SPLC is a hyper partisan group (wait, did I say “hyper”, I should say “rabid”). For the money spent, you'd be hard pressed to find a less efficient organization.

They are beyond contempt, anybody that would quote such a group, can be safely said to be grasping at straws.

Young Fred
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Young Fred 10/18/12 - 12:00 pm
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Angie H

Thank You!

faithson
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faithson 10/18/12 - 12:28 pm
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yea,

what is good for the goose is good for the gander !

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 10/18/12 - 12:36 pm
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Minorities

willie7 posted:

Picture ID, birth certificates are suppression tactics against minorities. . . .

Everybody is a minority in some fashion:

blacks are minorities compared with whites
Hispanics are minorities compared with gringos
Asians are minorities compared with whites
men are minorities compared with women
Mormons are minorities compared with Baptists
Pacific Islanders are minorities compared with everybody

Angie H
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Angie H 10/18/12 - 12:44 pm
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Whites are minorities

Whites are minorities compared to blacks in the CSRA. I guess requiring a picture ID is just to keep people like me from voting.

faithson
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faithson 10/18/12 - 01:08 pm
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statistically speaking

there is no problem with voter fraud at poll stations, NONE. Now there has been some problems with absentee ballots, signatures and all, yet this segment of the voting public has been LEFT OUT of the discussion, wonder why... ? yea, it has something to do with most absentee's being republican. again, what's good for the goose is good for the gander, unless it is YOUR ox being gored.

Angie H
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Angie H 10/18/12 - 01:19 pm
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"there is no problem with

"there is no problem with voter fraud at poll stations, NONE."

Interesting. If you don't require ID, and people vote that aren't supposed to, and get away with it.....guess what.....it APPEARS that there was no fraud, because no one got caught. If we did away with police radar, then speeding on the highway might go down as well.

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 10/18/12 - 01:48 pm
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Flaws in System

Exactly right, Angie. If you don't have to show a picture ID at the polls, then the poll worker has to let you vote even if you are a different person than the person who the poll worker is marking on the list as voting.

The strange thing to me is that you don't have to show any ID to register to vote. So you can fraudently register to vote then fraudently vote if you never have to show ID. You could do it many times in the same election under different names and addresses and the poll worker would have no tools to detect the fraud.

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IMRIGHTYOUREWRONG 10/18/12 - 01:49 pm
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Constitutional Conundrum

RMSHEFF said, “There is no "right" to vote. Voting is a privilege. It's never a "right" when everyone can't do it or is allowed to do it.” This is an interesting thought, I seem to remember otherwise from a few government courses I took in college.

15th Amendment: “Section 1. The RIGHT of citizens of the United States TO VOTE shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude. Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.”

19th Amendment: “The RIGHT of citizens of the United States TO VOTE shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.”

Please feel free to clarify.

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Jane18 10/18/12 - 01:59 pm
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Mr.Maner and "Fishing"

It really is sad that Mr.Maner could not answer his own question, "..wonder what JESUS would say about this madness?" Let me make one thing clear(as you-know-who likes to say), Jesus Did have something to say about everything concerning our lives in this day and time. I try to pass along a little knowledge now and then, but, some folks consider it "crazy", so to save us from their smart remarks, I will just say, read that Bible, Mr.Maner!(cast in Greek is ballo--could our word ballot come from.....oh yeah!)

Angie H
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Angie H 10/18/12 - 02:01 pm
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"Right to vote"

The Constitution contains many phrases, clauses, and amendments detailing ways people cannot be denied the right to vote. You cannot deny the right to vote because of race or gender. Citizens of Washington DC can vote for President; 18-year-olds can vote; you can vote even if you fail to pay a poll tax. The Constitution also requires that anyone who can vote for the "most numerous branch" of their state legislature can vote for House members and Senate members.

Note that in all of this, though, the Constitution never explicitly ensures the right to vote, as it does the right to speech, for example. It does require that Representatives be chosen and Senators be elected by "the People," and who comprises "the People" has been expanded by the aforementioned amendments several times. Aside from these requirements, though, the qualifications for voters are left to the states. And as long as the qualifications do not conflict with anything in the Constitution, that right can be withheld. For example, in Texas, persons declared mentally incompetent and felons currently in prison or on probation are denied the right to vote. It is interesting to note that though the 26th Amendment requires that 18-year-olds must be able to vote, states can allow persons younger than 18 to vote, if they chose to.

Source :http://www.usconstitution.net/constnot.html

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Young Fred 10/18/12 - 02:29 pm
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Angie H

Yeahh! Though I consider myself a student of history, I was not “up on those salient factors”. You are exactly the reason that I waste time on these sites … the hope that I'll learn something new.

Most throw out tired, worn out talking points to support their position. I claim guilty as charged. But it is people like yourself and Little Lamb that keeps me coming back for more.

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 10/18/12 - 03:36 pm
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You're right, Fred. They deleted your post.

Young Fred
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Young Fred 10/18/12 - 04:23 pm
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Little Lamb, you're correct

LL, I may have to take lessons.

I was hunting all over the place, thinking I had to delete it myself. It's a fine line sometimes. You take ridicule and give it back. I guess the “give it back” part is dangerous. It is human nature (or so I'm told) to take ridicule and send it back ramped up.

Did not mean to specifically insult, my insults tend to be a little more generic in nature, or at least that's what I try.

In all reality, I'm just trying to generate debate. There are certain posters that consitantly disagree with my opinion. I want that. I know that we need to be concise, but sometimes considering the subject matter you just can't be concise.

Again, I apologize to one and all if I “came over the top”

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