New ID law is a headache

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After observing firsthand my mother’s failed attempt to renew her driver’s license under Georgia’s new “real ID” statute, I want to share an outsider’s impression of the runaround she received.

Because the name on her 84-year-old birth certificate did not match her married name, the same name on her current license, her Social Security card, her Medicare card, my father’s death certificate, her property tax bill, her federal and state tax returns and her bank account, officials insisted that she must produce her 1948 marriage certificate to prove who she was under the new “real ID” requirements. A handy printout of the vital statistics offices of all the various states and the cost to obtain a “certified” marriage document was cheerfully provided, and she was told she could come back and wait in line again after she had the marriage certificate.

While clearly not required by the Georgia Department of Driver Services’ own printed explanation of the new requirements – they allow any of the documents she presented as sufficient name change proof “if a marriage certificate is not available” – the front-end staff demand it. Unlike most women who took their husbands’ names, my mother drives just about as often as she votes, but they all need drivers’ licenses to do both.

Whether simple ignorance or subtle policy is the motivation, the new “name change” requirements most certainly amount to a poll tax for women as misinterpreted by the staff at the Thomson DDS office.

Oh, by the way, don’t bother trying to call the state DDS administration office to complain. I couldn’t get through.

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Angie H
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Angie H 10/02/12 - 09:30 am
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What is wrong with preventing

What is wrong with preventing a potential, real crime?

justthefacts
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justthefacts 10/02/12 - 09:31 am
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Oh Great

"One penalizes hospitals if patients are re-admitted to a hospital within a month for a condition that should've been dealt with on the first trip. The second redistributes higher Medicare payments to the hospitals that are delivering better care. This is from the ACA law." Now, of course, hospitals will have to test for everything under the sun to protect themselves. Brilliant. Wonder who pays for all extra tests?

TParty
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TParty 10/02/12 - 09:33 am
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"What is wrong with

"What is wrong with preventing a potential, real crime?"

It's a problem when it's not stopping anything- like fraud- and instead preventing legitimate people from voting. Are these laws worth preventing the letter writers mother from voting, because of something that even supporters cannot even prove happen, in-person voting fraud?

When the laws hurt people, instead of helping- it's a problem.

Angie H
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Angie H 10/02/12 - 09:37 am
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How do you know it's not

How do you know it's not stopping anything? Again, you can't prove a negative. Just suppose someone who WAS going to vote illegally, doesn't because he/she doesn't have a fake ID. You would have prevented a crime and not even known it. I ask again, what is wrong with preventing a real potential crime.

Who does it hurt?

TParty
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TParty 10/02/12 - 09:39 am
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"Now, of course, hospitals

"Now, of course, hospitals will have to test for everything under the sun to protect themselves. Brilliant. Wonder who pays for all extra tests?"

They are already doing it... it's already a problem. Unnecessary tests. The idea is to make people better, not by giving all the tests under the sun to a person, and sending them home- only for them to return with the same symptoms, and not getting any better. It should make for better diagnostics, and treatments.

Testing isn't the problem. The real question you should be asking is- "What are hospitals going to do when doctors tell their patients to stop eating fatty foods, and get some activity in their lives, only for the patients to ignore the advice and return later for more complications of being obese."

Angie H
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Angie H 10/02/12 - 09:43 am
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"What are hospitals going to

"What are hospitals going to do when doctors tell their patients to stop eating fatty foods, and get some activity in their lives, only for the patients to ignore the advice and return later for more complications of being obese."

I guess we better eliminate THAT freedom.

That is why the government needs to stay out of healthcare. (one of the reasons at least)

TParty
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TParty 10/02/12 - 09:46 am
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Angie- you're trying to use a

Angie- you're trying to use a negative- something that does not happen- as an excuse to disenfranchise real voters, which is happening...

I guess this question here will sum up your philosophy. Would you release 10 guilty people, if it meant an innocent person would be free as well, or just keep everyone locked up, to include the innocent person.

justthefacts
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justthefacts 10/02/12 - 09:46 am
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BTW

I don't think that was a provision of PPACA, but, I am not inclined to check.

Angie H
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Angie H 10/02/12 - 09:49 am
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Who is disenfranchised by

Who is disenfranchised by requiring an ID to vote? Dead people? Non-citizens? Who?

TParty
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TParty 10/02/12 - 09:51 am
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Did you not read the letter

Did you not read the letter here? People struggle to meet the requirements, like the letter writers sweet old mother!!

Angie H
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Angie H 10/02/12 - 09:58 am
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Oh...so since it's not easy,

Oh...so since it's not easy, they can't do it. I get ya. I have a constitutional right to bear arms, but it's a pain to fill out all the background checks required, so I guess we better stop requiring them. With civil liberties comes responsibility as well.

Bantana
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Bantana 10/02/12 - 10:00 am
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"Who is disenfranchised by

"Who is disenfranchised by requiring an ID to vote? Dead people? Non-citizens? Who?"

750,000 residents of Pennsylvania, that's who. But then again, a judge took care of that this morning. The requirements were deemed onerous. The id laws will be revisited before the next election cycle. But voter suppression isn't going to happen in Pennsylvania this time around. Praise Allah.

justthefacts
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justthefacts 10/02/12 - 10:00 am
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IMO

The end justifies the means.

OJP
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OJP 10/02/12 - 10:13 am
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@Angie H

"What is wrong with preventing a potential, real crime?"

Well, this could get very tricky very quickly if taken to its logical conclusion (think "Minority Report").

But realistically, it becomes a problem when the prevention methods burden the exercise of a fundamental part of any legitimate democracy: voting. And it's even more of a problem when those prevention methods are preventing a phantom crime.

In essence, the GOP is making it harder for people to vote for purely partisan reasons. And don't kid yourself about the reason: it's all about winning elections, not protecting the voting process (I haven't seen any big uproar from the Right about the exploding GOP voting fraud issue in multiple states - so big that the GOP has completely ceased its registration efforts).

justthefacts
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justthefacts 10/02/12 - 10:20 am
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Wonder?

GOP voters can get ID and Democrats can't????? Hmmm.

Angie H
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Angie H 10/02/12 - 10:22 am
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Preventing a crime, and

Preventing a crime, and locking someone up before they commit a crime are two completely different things, OJP.

"In essence, the GOP is making it harder for people to vote for purely partisan reasons." Can you back that up?

Angie H
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Angie H 10/02/12 - 10:23 am
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Exactly JTF....how can voter

Exactly JTF....how can voter ID laws only disenfranchise Democrats....I don't get it.

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carcraft 10/02/12 - 10:30 am
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OJP- There is a panel in the

OJP- There is a panel in the health care law (Independent Pay Advisory Board) that requires super majority of Congress to override that is going to help determine practice standards and payments. Even Barney Frank wants to get rid of this dog. Now we see how screwed up the Driver’s license law, what makes you think for a second this kind of hog wash isn't going to be coming down the highway with health care. Our public schools are screwed up, the IRS is screwed up, and getting a driver’s license is screwed up just why do you think the government won't screw up health care? Look at the VA, two conferences in Florida that cost over 6 million dollars (the government really can't figure out exactly how much they cost) and the projected waste was over $700,000 from the conferences. http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/10/01/3029486/investigators-cite-wastefu... Do you remember the VA colonoscopy sterilization problems? People claim they got Hepatitis etc. because of substandard practice? http://www.va.gov/oig/54/reports/VAOIG-09-01784-146.pdf Government run health care oh yah, bet your life on it! So I really don't see why you folks have your boxers in a bunch, this is just another fedral government proscribed program! Wait until you see programs federal government proscribes to health care and how it turns out when implemented by the states!

justthefacts
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justthefacts 10/02/12 - 10:28 am
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16 yr old

My 16 yr old figured it out last month. Heck, he ain't all that smart.

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allhans 10/02/12 - 10:33 am
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Around 100 fraudulent

Around 100 fraudulent registration forms were rejected by the State of Florida. This was traced back to an independent contractor hired by the Republican Party. See...Look at all those votes Romney could have picked up if it had not been discovered.
So as you see voter I.D. will work to the advantage of both parties.

Angie H
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Angie H 10/02/12 - 10:37 am
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Very true, allhans.

Very true, allhans. But in my opinion, those who fight the requirment the most are the one's who want to cheat the most.

OJP
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OJP 10/02/12 - 10:37 am
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@Angie H:

One would assume they wouldn't come out and admit it but they actually have done just that in Pennsylvania:

Republican House Majority leader: "Voter ID, which is gonna allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done." (http://www.politicspa.com/turzai-voter-id-law-means-romney-can-win-pa/37...)

And we know this much: 1) minimal, if any, voter fraud problem; 2) current/proposed ID laws will not prevent any such fraud should it exist; 3) the burdens imposed by ID laws disproportionately affect voting groups who tend to vote for Democrats; 4) the GOP has admitted they are gaming the system (see above); and 5) the GOP proper is engaging in voter fraud throughout the nation and the GOP rank-and-file do not seem to care about this growing scandal.

It's quite clear what is going on here.

Angie H
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Angie H 10/02/12 - 10:39 am
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I like how you state as fact

I like how you state as fact that "proposed ID laws will not prevent any such fraud should it exist." Not fact....opinion.

Angie H
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Angie H 10/02/12 - 10:39 am
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Explain how voter ID laws

Explain how voter ID laws disproportionately affect voting groups who tend to vote for Democrats.

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 10/02/12 - 10:45 am
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Disproportionate

Because people who tend to vote for Democrats don't tend to follow laws.

carcraft
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carcraft 10/02/12 - 11:00 am
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I'm still having a hard time

I'm still having a hard time figuring out why the liberals and Obama supporters posting here think that the state government fufilling the requirements of a Federal law passed by a Democratic congress in Washington DC is part of a Repulican voter suppression intiative! This type of garbage is how the feds work. Why is any one surprised? If I go the the IRS with a tax question and the IRS gives me the wrong answer, I can't use that as a defense in why my taxes were not correct. So PLEASE UNDERSTAND THIS IS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IN ACTION! It is not some grand conspiracy.

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mooseye 10/02/12 - 11:06 am
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This story was about the

This story was about the runaround you get from government employees as a matter of course.
The lady had a license which must have had her name, address, and a picture on it already. Some under-qualified button pusher decided that she should have a 60 year old piece of paper to show why she had been signing her name as such for that same 60 years.
It is typical of most government employees that I have had the displeasure of coming in contact with. They don't know what they are doing and don't mind taking all day not getting it done.
They may need to take a lesson from Wal-mart. Unless they have changed it, Wal-mart policy will not allow a refund without a state issued drivers license. No, you can not use a state issued ID card which is issued by the same agency that issues drivers licenses. It looks exactly like a drivers license, picture, address, signature,etc.
This lady had her birth certificate from 84 years ago. "Geesh!

Angie H
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Angie H 10/02/12 - 11:11 am
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So if you don't drive, you

So if you don't drive, you can't get a refund from Wal-Mart. That's a stupid policy.

Angie H
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Angie H 10/02/12 - 11:39 am
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"the GOP has admitted they

"the GOP has admitted they are gaming the system (see above);"

Not true. That is just a conclusion you drew. If the law was going to allow Romney to win, it COULD be because it would prevent dead people from voting for Obama.

carcraft
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carcraft 10/02/12 - 11:41 am
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OJP- If the voter ID laws

OJP- If the voter ID laws don't work then how does that prevent people from voting? If it can't catch the fraud how does it stop the legit voters? Can't have it both ways!

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