New ID law is a headache

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After observing firsthand my mother’s failed attempt to renew her driver’s license under Georgia’s new “real ID” statute, I want to share an outsider’s impression of the runaround she received.

Because the name on her 84-year-old birth certificate did not match her married name, the same name on her current license, her Social Security card, her Medicare card, my father’s death certificate, her property tax bill, her federal and state tax returns and her bank account, officials insisted that she must produce her 1948 marriage certificate to prove who she was under the new “real ID” requirements. A handy printout of the vital statistics offices of all the various states and the cost to obtain a “certified” marriage document was cheerfully provided, and she was told she could come back and wait in line again after she had the marriage certificate.

While clearly not required by the Georgia Department of Driver Services’ own printed explanation of the new requirements – they allow any of the documents she presented as sufficient name change proof “if a marriage certificate is not available” – the front-end staff demand it. Unlike most women who took their husbands’ names, my mother drives just about as often as she votes, but they all need drivers’ licenses to do both.

Whether simple ignorance or subtle policy is the motivation, the new “name change” requirements most certainly amount to a poll tax for women as misinterpreted by the staff at the Thomson DDS office.

Oh, by the way, don’t bother trying to call the state DDS administration office to complain. I couldn’t get through.

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Retired Army
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Retired Army 10/01/12 - 11:34 pm
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Papers Please

And the "War on women" continues at full tilt boogie. Ladies, when your turn comes to renew the drivers liscense that you've had for years and the same thing happens to you, remember it was brought to you by Republicans right here in Georgia. But they did have Jesus on their side, not yours.

Ladies, vote Republican! They know what's best for you, or so they say.

Remember, they don't think your work is equal to that of a man and you should not be payed as well.

Also, don't worry about rape and pregnancy. No ma'am, according to their expert Senatorial candidate from the "Show Me" state it's not gonna happen. You've been blessed with a magical uterus that rejects such a foul act.

One of these days, at the second comming, Jesus and His Wife Mary Magdalene are going to have some rather harsh words for these characters who have sought to enslave women. That's gonna be a fun day.

Maybe CG will give me one of his "Happy" pills and we can enjoy the show together.

I'm gonna go pray for my Grandkids-three of them little gurls- and their mothers and Grandma and then get some sleep.

burninater
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burninater 10/02/12 - 02:55 am
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Can you imagine the heartache

Can you imagine the heartache and shame of discovering, after all these decades, that your 84-year-old mother is an illegal planning the overthrow of the electoral process with her ID-less fraud scheme?

Good work Republicans, you're really addressing the major issues of the day. Swing voters are totally impressed with your ability to focus on the essentials.

myfather15
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myfather15 10/02/12 - 03:03 am
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Hhhhhmmmm....

Somehow, I don't think "these characters" are the ones going to receive harsh words. Some will, because of their deception as leaders, but they won't be alone. People who willfully deceive others, refuse to tell the truth and work for the king of babylon by spreading confusion, will most certainly be right there beside ignorant politicians. The more I hear people make fun, the more I can NOT WAIT until that day. It's coming very soon. I just hope all those making fun, will have the guts to step up and do the same on THAT DAY!!! But they won't, they will hide their faces from Him. They will call for the moutains and rocks to hide them from His face. Its actually very, very sad. But they've choosen their path with their free will.

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carcraft 10/02/12 - 06:22 am
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Gee I love the liberals

Gee I love the liberals complaining about the FEDERAL Law requiring Georgia to up date how drivers licenses are re-issued. Wait untile Obama care really hits. A provison is now going into effect that re admissions are going to cause penalties to health care providers. Wait till that jewel is fully implemented. When your sick mom tries to get readmitted (if the readmission is less than a certain time from her last discharge) getting a drivers license renewed will look like a piece of cake....

TParty
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TParty 10/02/12 - 07:35 am
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Sorry Ron, but we American's

Sorry Ron, but we American's do not know who 84 year old mother really is. We can't risk your mother committing voting fraud. Granted- there has not been one proven case of a fraudulent vote that would have been prevented by this important rule- but you understand our desire to have integrity.

Angie H
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Angie H 10/02/12 - 07:38 am
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"Granted- there has not been

"Granted- there has not been one proven case of a fraudulent vote that would have been prevented by this important rule-"

How would you prove a negative?

No bayonette attacks were prevented by the assault weapons ban, but it still had wide support by the left.

F4therTime
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F4therTime 10/02/12 - 07:57 am
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I don't understand...
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I have voted in every election since I was 18...back in good ole 1982. I have been asked to show my driver's license in every election I have ever voted in. That is in 2 different states. Not sure why the complaints?

TParty
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TParty 10/02/12 - 08:11 am
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"How would you prove a

"How would you prove a negative?"

You're not trying to prove a negative... all you need to do is prove is that in-person voter fraud is a problem. And it's happening in courts right now. Lawyers show up saying they need these strict laws for voting- and the judge will ask "Are there any instances where this law would have prevented a fraud" and the lawyers say "No, no evidence."

http://www.politifact.com/georgia/statements/2012/sep/19/naacp/-person-v...

soapy_725
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soapy_725 10/02/12 - 08:15 am
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Because we have upwards of 20 million
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non US citizens who will and may have already been voting. Non US citizens who will vote or the Demogog candidates in a block because they are told by bilingual's that the Demogog Party is their friend, their savior.

The US era of a one party system is a reality. As Stalin so apply stated, "It is not who votes, but who counts the votes".

carcraft
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carcraft 10/02/12 - 11:01 am
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Tparty- Do you inderstand

Tparty- Do you Understand where this came from? It was NOT a move by the state to limit voting, it was a requirement by the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.You know THE FOLKS THAT ARE GOING TO RUN OUR HEALTH CARE SYSTEM AND HAVE SCREWED UP THE SCHOOLS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS. I typed slowly so it is easier to read!

soapy_725
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soapy_725 10/02/12 - 08:22 am
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Amen myfather15
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The America that once sent missionaries to every part of the Globe declaring Jesus Christ as the answer to man's ills, therefore the world's ills is gone. The "light on a hill" that proclaimed true freedom and individual respect has gone out.

America was seduced by the same evil force that was in the Garden of Evil. "If it feels good Eve, do it". "God is a liar and an absentee landlord".

Our children and grandchildren have been sacrificed on the altar of "self gratification". Quality family time is a joke.

TParty
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TParty 10/02/12 - 08:26 am
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Carcraft- Do you 'inderstand'

Carcraft- Do you 'inderstand' I don't care where the this came from- because it's wrong? To say it's from the Feds, so I should smile and accept it, is wrong.

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 10/02/12 - 08:40 am
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Frown

You definitely do not have to smile and accept it. But we have to accept it with a frown, because government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force. I think George Washington said that.

GaStang22
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GaStang22 10/02/12 - 09:01 am
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Carcraft...wasted effort.
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You know that was going to fly 10 feet over when you wrote it didn't you?? LOL

And Mr. Theis to leave that building with proof in your hand you had the required documents and go back to Nebraska and leave your 84 year old mother to fend for herself was pretty weak on your part. Or were you not even there and writing an article from across the country taking someones word this happened for something you can not verify because they wanted to hand you an excuse for why they didn't get said task completed because of lazy or forgetfulness?? I don't know any man in my family who would have walked out that door without speaking to a supervisor, getting a police report, calling the DDS from their phone etc..... before walking out that door. My bet is more that some lib is just trying to concoct some back up, even if its not true, for their whine about id laws period.

noway
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noway 10/02/12 - 09:13 am
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Thank a Republican!

It is horrible that this woman and many others must go through this red tape. Creating more government oversight, which I thought Republicans were against, is tremendous overkill. And will our legislators adjust this ridiculous law to better serve the taxpaying citizens? Doubtful. They'll be too busy thinking up more obstacles for us all.

TParty
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TParty 10/02/12 - 09:14 am
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While we are talking about

While we are talking about voter fraud- does no one want to comment on all the investigations going on right now about the GOP's voter fraud and suppression?

Retired Army
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Retired Army 10/02/12 - 09:26 am
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TParty10/02/12 - 09:14 am

In response to your query, not the self interested so called Conservatives that haunt these boards.

Angie H
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Angie H 10/02/12 - 09:30 am
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"While we are talking about

"While we are talking about voter fraud- does no one want to comment on all the investigations going on right now about the GOP's voter fraud and suppression?"

You mean the 70% drop in requests for absentee ballots from the millitary, or did you mean the NBP voter intimidation that Holder refused to prosecute?

Angie H
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Angie H 10/02/12 - 09:59 am
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There's no evidence that

There's no evidence that outlawing the civilian use of hand grenades has prevented anyone from using them, yet the law still stands. The same can be said for preventing voter fraud. I never heard a judge say "are there any instances where banning grenades prevented grenade attacks? No?....denied."

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 10/02/12 - 09:39 am
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Apples and Orangutangs

Interesting how various subjects get intertwined. The new federal requirements that state drivers licenses get more background material on licensees than they used to get came from Homeland Security, and they did not have voting in mind.

But, of course, drivers licenses are the key piece of I.D. that poll workers look at to prove the voter is registered in that precinct.

I'm having a hard time getting my mind wrapped around this concept of proving where you were born in order to get a drivers license. Shouldn't you just have to prove that you understand the traffic laws and demonstrate that you can safely operate the vehicle to get a drivers license? What does it matter where you were born? What does it matter what your name is? I don't understand.

Angie H
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Angie H 10/02/12 - 09:48 am
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If the license is going to be

If the license is going to be the primary way to prove who you are to vote, THAT is the reason to prove where you were born. Little Lamb, if it weren't for that reason, I would agree with you, but if you don't prove where you were born, then use that same ID to vote, then you have never verified citizenship to vote.

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InChristLove 10/02/12 - 09:57 am
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I fail to see why the

I fail to see why the Republicans are being blamed for the passing of the Real ID Act. Unless I am mistaken by my research the original bill purposed by a Republican in 2005 was passed by the House on 2/1/05 with a voting of 261/161 but failed to pass the Senate.

On July 29, 2009 an amendment to this bill was sponsored by two Democrats, Senators Daniel K. Akaka (D-Hawaii) and George V. Voinovich (R-Ohio). Senator Akaka said: "The bill the Committee approved is a good compromise that addresses many of the concerns we all have about the current REAL ID Act. The PASS ID Act would implement identification security improvements, while fixing the worst parts of REAL ID and adding several important new privacy protections.

Joining Senators Akaka and Voinovich as original cosponsors of the legislation are Senators Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vermont), Jon Tester (D-Montana), Max Baucus (D-Montana), and Tom Carper (D-Delaware).

So I fail to see why Republicans are getting blamed for a law the Democrats revised and passed. Maybe if they had let the original bill pass, we wouldn't be discussing how horrible this law is. Who's really to blame here?

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OJP 10/02/12 - 10:05 am
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@carcraft:

"THE FOLKS THAT ARE GOING TO RUN OUR HEALTH CARE SYSTEM."

How is it possible for you to still not know what the healthcare law actually is? Seriously - how is that possible? You seem to be pretty active in politics.

Angie H
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Angie H 10/02/12 - 10:08 am
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Congress still doesn't know

Congress still doesn't know what's in the law...why should carcraft?

TParty
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TParty 10/02/12 - 10:11 am
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Angie

I was thinking something along the lines of all the places being investigated because the GOP and firms hired by the GOP are actively throwing out and manipulation voter registration forms... Not the 70% drop in requests for absentee ballots, which I can't find a source that doesn't come from a blog.

And your analogy of the hand grenades is wrong- because there is evidence of people using them... That's an easy one. You can google hand grenade attacks, and you can compare attacks in America verses other places in the world.... A better analogy would be (because this is how laws are suppose to work) "People are consuming alcohol, and getting into their vehicles, and causing more accidents, injuries and deaths. Therefore, we should make it illegal for people to operate a vehicle while under the influence." Silly laws based on nothing would look like this "Vehicles will be inspected at random check points for unicorns, which plan to do harm against American citizens." Or, the laws preventing the letter writers mother from getting an ID would also fit the silly laws.

TParty
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TParty 10/02/12 - 10:14 am
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If you read the law, you can

If you read the law, you can get a good warm and fuzzy on it. For instance, two big pieces of health reform go into effect today. One penalizes hospitals if patients are re-admitted to a hospital within a month for a condition that should've been dealt with on the first trip. The second redistributes higher Medicare payments to the hospitals that are delivering better care. This is from the ACA law.

Angie H
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Angie H 10/02/12 - 10:23 am
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"You can google hand grenade

"You can google hand grenade attacks, and you can compare attacks in America verses other places in the world.... "

So we should look at voter fraud in other countries too.....anything that makes our augument look better.

Unicorns don't exist. Illegal voting does. Bad analogy.

Angie H
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Angie H 10/02/12 - 10:25 am
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Another great part of the ACA

Another great part of the ACA is the tax on the sale of a home.....That should keep people healthy.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/toddganos/2012/07/06/how-the-obamacares-tax-...

TParty
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TParty 10/02/12 - 10:26 am
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Where is the fraud? Your own

Where is the fraud? Your own article even said "The department claims that compared with 2004, the last time an incumbent president was running, the number of absentee ballots downloaded from the central military website is similar."

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