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How can U.S. Rep. John Barrow continue to protect Obamacare when, according to data, doing so raids Medicare by $1.06 billion in just his own district? This is exactly what happened when he voted against the repeal of Obamacare.

Democrats stole from Medicare to pay for Obamacare, and $1.06 billion from seniors in this district. It’s wrong, and it’s bad policy.

Obamacare will increase health-care costs and taxes, all while reducing the quality of care. It has failed to deliver on its promises, and in raiding Medicare to pay for it, Barrow has ensured that he has broken the promise of Medicare itself.

Full repeal is the only means of protecting the promise of Medicare for current seniors, and protecting the quality of health care for generations to come.

Stephen Croft

Grovetown

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Jon Lester
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Jon Lester 09/27/12 - 01:39 am
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Would it follow that

you would want no variation upon Romneycare? And would you disavow the individual mandate idea, as first espoused by the Heritage Foundation?

I don't doubt that you were moved to write by personal persuasion, but I do think you've been fed bad information. You might want to read up on the difference between Medicare and Medicare Advantage, and make note of the efficiency rates of both, before the ACA became law.

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Techfan 09/27/12 - 04:53 am
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What data?

So Stephen, you got a flyer from the NRCC, funded by the American Action Network.
"The American Action Network was formed in February 2010 by Norm Coleman, a former Republican senator from Minnesota, and Rob Collins, a former chief of staff to House Minority Whip Eric Cantor. Coleman serves as the group’s chief executive officer. Collins is its president.

The American Action Network is a 501(c)(4) and one of two organizations formed at the same time by a group of like-minded Republicans. The American Action Network describes itself as an "action tank." In practice it spends to attack Democratic candidates and support Republicans including candidates this year in Alaska, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and New Hampshire. The "sister organization" and policy arm is American Action Forum, which is classified as a 501(c)(3). Douglas Holtz-Eakin, a senior policy adviser to Sen. John McCain’s 2008 presidential campaign, is president of the American Action Forum.

Neither arm has to disclose its donors, but some major GOP fundraisers and donors sit on the network’s board of directors. They include: New York venture capitalist Kenneth Langone, who has donated nearly $500,000 to federal candidates and parties since 1989, and Fred Malek of Virginia, who served as a co-chairman of McCain’s fundraising committee in 2008 (and who chairs the boards of both the network and the forum.) Langone is co-founder of Home Depot. Malek is founder of Thayer Capital Partners. Prominent board members of the network also include Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, and Ed Gillespie, a former chairman of the Republican National Committee."

In its mission statement, the American Action Network says it seeks to promote “center-right policies.” Langone told Bloomberg Television: “We’re not going to focus on the social issues. We’re going to talk about jobs, the economy, defense, terrorism.“

According to the Washington Post, the group is expected to spend about $25 million in 2010.
FactCheck.org

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wayne2410 09/27/12 - 05:49 am
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Just another example that

Unpublished

Just another example that liberals don't like old white people, along with Christians, at least not the white ones. To be Christian and liked by liberals you have to be like Rev Wright and GD America, the libs love that.

Techfan
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Techfan 09/27/12 - 06:17 am
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And the award for a comment

And the award for a comment that makes no sense and has absolutely nothing to do with the LTE or previous comments goes to Wayne2410. Where the heck did that come from?

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InChristLove 09/27/12 - 06:34 am
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Just like always.....can't

Just like always.....can't dispute the facts of the letter to attack the writer. Techfan, you failed to mention that American Action Network is not affiliated with or controlled by any political group. The Network welcomes supporters of its center-right values and policy proposals regardless of party affiliation, and looks forward to working with legislators, government officials, and advocates of either party who are willing to advance policies consistent with the Network's principles.

Can you dispute the following fact that Mr. Croft made, "Obamacare will increase health-care costs and taxes, all while reducing the quality of care.", instead of chasing rabbits here so you can avoid actually discussing the issue.

It is true that the Obamacare Medicare cuts don’t make any changes to the Medicare insurance benefit, which means that the health-care services covered by the Medicare insurance plan are technically unchanged. But Obamacare’s Medicare cuts are bluntly structured, in ways that will harm seniors’ access to care.

Of the $716 billion in cuts, $415 billion come in the form of “updates to fee-for-service payment rates,” a euphemism for reducing Medicare’s payments to doctors and hospitals. But what happens when you reduce payments to doctors? Doctors stop being willing to see Medicare patients. And if you can’t actually get a doctor’s appointment, what does it really matter what your insurance plan covers on paper?

Either way you look at it, bottom line is Obama has used Medicare to pay for Obamacare, and in my opinion it's not for the good.

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Techfan 09/27/12 - 07:46 am
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Gotta love the way you attack

Gotta love the way you attack posters claiming they attack other writers when they are questioning the accuracy of the source. A far right group that says it's center-right. Karl Rove doesn't tend to fund center right groups. Seeing how they've given ZERO to Democrats, spent millions attacking Democrats and moderate Republicans, I think we can say their center right claim is bull. The whole Obama is destroying Medicare while the GOP is saving it is totally opposite of the truth. Sorry Mister Croft is only gettting his info from a GOP flyer. Nice try though. http://www.factcheck.org/2012/08/medicares-piggy-bank/

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TParty 09/27/12 - 07:56 am
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Some people I know have

Some people I know have received checks from their health care insurers, because the company didn't spend at least 80% of their health care payments on health care.

I don't know anyone who has had any problems making a doctors appointment.

There are a lot of testimonies, and stories of people out there that can now get health insurance, even though their child is sick, born with some pre-existing condition, and their lifelong cap is no longer an issue- which is a huge deal if your child has a heart condition.

My youngest sister, who goes to college full time, and works some, but is still super poor- recently (about two months ago) at age 20- she needed emergency surgery for her appendix. Luckily- she was allowed to remain on my parents health care, get the care she needed. If that happened to her a couple of years ago, she should be drowned in debt, and so deep in the hole... which would not be a good start to building a life, and being a good American consumer.

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Gary Ross 09/27/12 - 08:26 am
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Missing the point

Just like Social Security, Medicare is a special tax for a special purpose, which we have no choice but to pay. They are funds that hard working Americans have contributed to over a lifetime, for a promise by the federal government that they will be available to assist us in our later years. These programs are not to be squandered, used for other purposes, borrowed from, borrowed against, reformed, or even turned into voucher systems. The federal government has a CONTRACT with the American people, and they need to HONOR it!!! They need to return every dollar that was taken from these two programs, starting with the $716 billion that Obama stole, pay it back with interest, and those that raided our cookie jar need to get their hands slapped! Not only that, but these programs are meant for Americans who have contributed into the system. Those who have not contributed should look elsewhere for their free government handouts. Furthermore, they should be respectable programs, because they are for the Americans who have worked all their lives to made this country a respectable world power. The federal government should be PROTECTING them by constantly monitoring for fraud, both from doctors and and an array of criminals.

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effete elitist liberal 09/27/12 - 08:35 am
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who is shielding whom?

Why is Stephen Croft shielding Lee Anderson? The arguments Croft makes could be made by Anderson in a debate if Anderson (1) actually understands them, (2) could articulate them without his words coming out as a hilarious jumble, and (3) he had the guts to debate in the first place. Anderson's refusal to debate makes him into a laughingstock without ever opening his mouth!

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Bantana 09/27/12 - 09:11 am
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Once again, illinformed folks

Once again, illinformed folks are commenting on this issue of healthcare without having the slightest idea about the complexities of healthcare delivery. My wife is a 30 year employee of the oldest hospital in Georgia and it is the considered position of her peers that without healthcare reform the system will collapse. The position that "old white people and Christians" aren't liked by liberals is ridiculous. I am a progressive liberal, old, white and Christian. To parrot the outright misrepresenations of the radical right is unproductive and unemphathetic. There will never be a shortage of physicians accepting Medicare/Medicaid patients. My 80 year old in-laws are over-perscribed, treated for every single perceived malady real or imagined and often have surgical interventions that do nothing to improve their longevity or quality of life and those services are paid for through Medicare. That unwise use of resources has to stop, but not at the expense of reduced positive outcomes. There will be malcontents among the ranks of physicians, but the overwhelming majority will continue to treat patients and happily take the money. The real problem with healthcare is the money flowing to big pharma and medical device manufacturers and the overall poor health of our citizens due to poor lifestyle choices, such as: overuse of alcohol, smoking, fatty/high salt diets, lack of exercise. Obesity, high blood pressure, some cancers and cardiac disease account for the majority of our overall healthcosts outlay and all of those issues are environmentally induced, self-inflicted, except very a statically insignificant few that result from genetic factors.
If we want to reduce waiting room times and healthcare costs then we should stop smoking, consume alcohol in moderation, exercise regularly and lay off the crap foods.

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Angie H 09/27/12 - 09:35 am
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I've never seen techfan

I've never seen techfan actually back up accusations.......I'm sure it's happened.....I just haven't seen it. All I've seen is defending ANYTHING Obama or a Democrat does, and attack any writer who presents facts.....don't attack the facts....just the writer.

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Angie H 09/27/12 - 10:38 am
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2 thumbs down for stating a

2 thumbs down for stating a fact. Gotta love that.

Angie H
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Angie H 09/27/12 - 10:47 am
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"My youngest sister, who goes

"My youngest sister, who goes to college full time, and works some, but is still super poor- recently (about two months ago) at age 20- she needed emergency surgery for her appendix. Luckily- she was allowed to remain on my parents health care, get the care she needed. If that happened to her a couple of years ago, she should be drowned in debt, and so deep in the hole... which would not be a good start to building a life, and being a good American consumer."

Not true. If that had happened a couple of years ago, she could have gone to the ER where they can't refuse treatment.....just like today.

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TParty 09/27/12 - 10:55 am
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Yeah- that going to the ER on

Yeah- that going to the ER on someone else dime is Mittens current plan, if you watched him on 60 Minutes recently. It explains the high cost that people pay hospitals, and insurance- to make up for folks who show up to the ER and can't pay (Which she would not have been able too).

And sure- they would have done whatever it took to keep her from dying, but that is it. Check up, meds and other things costs money, and ER's won't do it- and it's not the job of an ER.

Also, it didn't happen to a couple of years ago, only a couple of months- which turned me in favor of Obamacare- since my sister was taken care of because of Obamacare, so that's about as close as I can be affected by it.

Angie H
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Angie H 09/27/12 - 11:06 am
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If you force an insurance

If you force an insurance company to accept those with pre-existing conditions, you are getting your healthcare "on someone eles's dime."

And I still wonder why people get upset when they refer to the current President by his real middle name, but have no problem with "Mittens."

Angie H
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Angie H 09/27/12 - 11:07 am
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My insurance premiums went up

My insurance premiums went up more than they ever have in history....because of Obamacare, as did the premiums of everyone where I work.

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effete elitist liberal 09/27/12 - 12:10 pm
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to Lee

Mr. Anderson: what kind of man hides behind the skirts of ACES, the National Republican Committee, posters here, and all those homeowners with Anderson signs on their lawns, letting others do his fighting for him?
What kind of man refuses to debate, turning his back on an enduring part of the American political tradition? What kind of man will not meet his opponent and make the arguments face to face now made by his various political surrogates? What kind of man are you, Mr. Anderson, if you are afraid of debating John Barrow?

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KSL 09/27/12 - 12:15 pm
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Age 20, tparty? Both of my

Age 20, tparty? Both of my sons were allowed to remain on our insurance while going to college, way before anyone ever heard of Obamacare.

TParty
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TParty 09/27/12 - 01:34 pm
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My premiums have gone down-

My premiums have gone down- and I know people who have received checks from their insurance companies for reasons stated earlier. If yours, and your co-workers went up, I'm sorry to hear that. Mine went down.

And with more people paying into the pot- it pays for the pre-existing conditions. With insurance companies being mandated to spend 80% on health care instead of bonuses for CEO's, that also pays for the those with pre-existing conditions. With preventive care being pushed- it will lower costs in the long run, when you save money by catching expensive and dangerous conditions early- before it becomes too late.

This system worked for Mittens (Who recently bragged as Governor all chlidren were insured with his plan, that Obama copied. Hint: That's a good thing), and it's working now for the vast majority of Americans already. And it's only going to get better. It's not going away, the supreme court confirmed it's legal, and law of the land.

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KSL 09/27/12 - 01:57 pm
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Just how are those preventive

Just how are those preventive measures going to be addressed when people can opt out by paying a relatively low penalty or "tax " rather than buying insurance?

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Angie H 09/27/12 - 02:55 pm
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The SCOTUS also confirmed

The SCOTUS also confirmed that the individual mandate is NOT constitutional, so don't count on everybody paying into the pot......until they are actually sick. The lower "penalty" tax will not go to the insurance companies, but to the government, so when all those people finally get sick, and then get insurance, everyone's premiums go up. It's simple math.

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effete elitist liberal 09/27/12 - 03:01 pm
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Angie???

Have I wandered into a parallel universe here? "The SCOTUS also confirmed that the individual mandate is NOT constitutional..." Say what?
Either you, "Angie," or I am terribly misinformed. I actually thought that SCOTUS ruled the mandate constitutional under the government's power to tax. Am I wrong, Angie?

Angie H
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Angie H 09/27/12 - 03:17 pm
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No....if the mandate was

No....if the mandate was constitutional, then you would have NO choice as to wether or not you purchase insurance......you DO have a choice....however if you choose NOT to, you are subject to an additonal tax. The court stated that you can't force someone to purchase a product, but you can tax them if you don't.

Read up on it.

effete elitist liberal
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effete elitist liberal 09/27/12 - 03:26 pm
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sorry, Angie

but the text of the original bill ALWAYS gave the uninsured a choice. The purchase of insurance was mandated, with the additional provision that someone financially able to buy insurance but unwilling to do so would be PENALIZED. All SCOTUS did was say the PENALTY was actually a TAX. I am curious, however. You said under the original act there was no choice. What did you imagine happened to those who said, in effect, "Oh yeh? Make me!" Boiling oil? 50 lashes? Banishment to Alabama?

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Angie H 09/27/12 - 03:33 pm
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There was no choice just as

There was no choice just as you don't have a choice to drive over the speed limit. The original text made it a CRIME to not buy insurance, that was punishable by fine. THAT was deemed unconstitutional. Now it is not a crime to not purchase insurance.

What was to happen if you didn't purchase insurance.....before the SCOTUS ruled, you would have a criminal record and a fine. Now you just have a tax. HUGE difference.

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effete elitist liberal 09/27/12 - 03:50 pm
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third time's the charm....

Angie, failure to buy insurance under Obamacare's individual mandate was NEVER a crime. In fact the text of the act made it specific that the IRS was to collect any penalties but could never use criminal sanctions to do so.

Here is what SCOTUS said:

"The fact that the payment was intended to affect individual conduct does not preclude it from being a tax, especially since there are NO CRIMINAL PENALTIES for failing to carry insurance."

and:

"The same analysis here suggests that the shared responsibility payment may for constitutional purposes be considered a tax, not a penalty: First, for most Americans the amount due will be far less than the price of insurance, and, by statute, it can never be more. It may often be a reasonable financial decision to make the payment rather than purchase insurance… Second, the individual mandate contains no scienter requirement. Third, the payment is collected solely by the IRS through the normal means of taxation—except that the Service is not allowed to use those means most suggestive of a punitive sanction, SUCH AS CRIMINAL PROSECUTION.”

The truth shall set you free, if you just let it!

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Bantana 09/27/12 - 03:55 pm
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Pre-existing conditions. I am

Pre-existing conditions. I am disheartened by those that would deny those that for one reason or another have lost their coverage and were being treated for breast cancer, or stroke, or some rare genetic condition that requires life-saving infusion therapy and are threatened with catastrophic financial ruin when those costs could be shared by a compassionate and empathetic pool of the insured. We are talking about your neighbors, children, currently underemployeed former military, low wage retail workers, and the millions of others citizens that currently suffer from chronic and often fatal diseases that require treatment. Those individuals are likely otherwise productive members of society with with wives, or husbands, or parents and children that depend on them for support. They could chose to go bankrupt and in the process add millions to the welfare lines, or they may not have any assets and then the burden falls on all of us through Medicaid or expensive ER care where those unpaid losses are added to the operating costs of healthcare systems and thus passed along to the rest anyway. We puff up our chests and say that the USA is the greatest country in the world, but by what measure? A population without reason and compassion is one that is selfish, cynical, unsympathetic and certainly doesn't represent what is good about the human species. The "I've got mine, to heck with the rest" mindset is without question cruel and unfeeling. What a calous people we are that would deny treatment or simple-mindedly agree to pass along the costs for that treatment into some netherworld hole of uncompensated care that will drag down the entire healthcare system and destroy our sense of duty to God, to community and fellow man. It's sad what we have become. WWJD?

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CobaltGeorge 09/27/12 - 04:44 pm
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A Pefect Book

for three words.

"Distribution Of Wealth"

Bantana
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Bantana 09/27/12 - 06:23 pm
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A Perfect Book Title

with six words...

"Our Ctizens Are Not the Enemy."
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(Substitute God's Children, Our Neighbors, Our Brothers and Sisters for Our Citizens if you dare.)

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KSL 09/27/12 - 06:59 pm
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Bantana, not the enemy? Are

Bantana, not the enemy? Are you including the ones who shoot at us and each other and wind up in the er? How about those who steal to support their drug habits and wind up being treated at our expense for an overdose. Not our enemies? Right.

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