Azziz's remarks insulting

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Quoting Georgia Health Sciences University President Ricardo Azziz: “We are among the worst institutions for success in Georgia and have been for a decade.” (“Azziz discusses need for growth,” Aug. 25)

How dare he make such degrading comments directed toward Augusta State University? This is demeaning not only to ASU but to former President William Bloodworth, and the professors, graduates and students of this university. These appalling remarks are offensive to all those who attended or graduated from ASU and made successes of their lives.

This is a slap in the face especially to those who worked hard, faced hardships and struggled to further their education. Many had to juggle families and jobs plus the requirements of school. I take personal offense to this matter because my mother graduated from the Junior College of Augusta in 1934, and my son in 2001 from Augusta State University. I am a graduate of Augusta College in 1972.

For Azziz to refer to ASU as one of the “worst institutions for success” is a disgrace on his part. Certainly there are many graduates , students and professors who share my feelings. Shame on him! Please take notice that “Augusta” always has been included in the name of the college and the university, and I will continue to refer to it as AC or ASU.

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Riverman1
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Riverman1 08/28/12 - 07:08 am
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Technical People Make Poor Managers

Honestly, Dr. Bloodworth was intelligent and a consummate leader. He understood the issues. That's one reason he would address the concerns of residents of The Hill around the school. He realized everyone had a stake in the school including the community

One of the problems with medical schools is they end up with administrators who may be great researchers in the lab in their narrow scientific life, but are poor managers. They come from the perspective of viewing organisms in petri dishes instead of one that affirms some notion of human-centered importance. Does anyone actually believe Azziz has any understanding of the community and its people? I bet he uses GPS to find Washington Rd. and talks back to the voice directing him.

longleafpine
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longleafpine 08/28/12 - 07:09 am
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Petty, petty, petty. He's

Petty, petty, petty. He's striking back because everyone hearily dislikes the name he pushed.

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 08/28/12 - 08:09 am
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Truth

You can take offense, you can feel demeaned, you can be appalled. But What Azziz was saying is that the graduation rate from ASU is too low to suit him. There's nothing offensive about that; it's just his opinion.

You can't deny that ASU admits many, many, many students who are not prepared for college work. That is why ASU has a massive remedial education department. My solution, if this is indeed a problem, is for ASU to abolish the remedial education department and raise admission standards such that they accept only college-ready students.

Of course, their enrollment would plummet in the short term, and the drop in enrollment would bring down their income, resulting in staff layoffs. But in the long term, the school would improve.

BigDog21
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BigDog21 08/28/12 - 09:23 am
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ASU fills a need in this

ASU fills a need in this community as a leg up for those students that need a hand getting started in their college careers. Many need the remedial programs to get them in the door. It doesn't guarantee all will succeed, many of them don't, but it does fill a valuable need for the area. Blocking admissions to make it appear you are more successful is a sham to pander to the bow tie crowd. Are they more successful to block a large percentage of the incoming students or do you just graduate a higher percentage? Lets not shift the cards on the table to make the numbers look better, lets find a way to be better.

MadeinAmerica
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MadeinAmerica 08/28/12 - 11:38 am
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The success of an institution

The success of an institution is and should always be judged by the success of its students. ASU has for many years been at the bottom of the list in student retention and graduation rates. The numbers do not lie. I'm actually insulted that a University that only graduates 3 or 4 new full time students out of 50 in 4yrs, and only about 10-12 students out of 50 in 6yrs would claim success and do very little to improve the situation. What a diservice to the young people of Augusta! As far as student preparedness goes, there are many schools that admit just as many remedial students (some that even have >75% remedial students), but that do a way better job of educating and graduating them than ASU.

prov227
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prov227 08/28/12 - 01:44 pm
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Remedial courses in college, an oxymoron ...

Augusta College offered "conditional" acceptance in the 1960s using SAT scores, high school tracts (college preparatory tract) and grades to offer conditional acceptance tied to 2.0 work on the first 15 hours of class work. An interview with the Dean was part of the process. English 101 was usually a required course in the initial mix. If a conditional student finished with a 2.0 or better after 15 hours, the student received unconditional acceptance and received full credit for courses successfully completed. It was well known that many students headed to other in-state schools for their first two English courses to avoid the dreaded AC English Department (something for those who stayed at AC for the English courses to be proud, in retrospect).

Since I spent much of my career outside Georgia, I missed the move to "remedial" students. The idea of non-credit remedial courses (I'm assuming the student is actually accepted as a college student) seems to be a poor policy, not suited for college-level work standards. The standard is lowered. If the students were given only a chance to take freshman courses, 2.0 and above, and failed to succeed in college work, then they could get on with their lives in other types of training and trades available. To do otherwise, eventually lessens the worth of a college degree for everyone, especially in the institution that uses this approach and society, as a whole.

Fiat_Lux
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Fiat_Lux 08/28/12 - 06:20 pm
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Gotta wonder

just how much of the failure is due to the freshman English requirement. Those courses are absurd that it appears the goal is to build a reputation for being so demanding, so obscure and erudite as to be beyond the reach of most students. I preferred my professors, whose goal was to teach us how to read with insight, to think critically and to write very well.

Those things can be taught by professors who actually are teachers.

I too believe it would be a real loss for our community if the merged version of ASU is no long accessible to this kids from this area. Of course, the Z and the BOR dwarves won't give that a passing thought.

Benjamin Paine
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Benjamin Paine 08/28/12 - 08:16 pm
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Tortoise or the hare.... does it really matter?

I have seen several comments indicating statistics concerning the four year and six year graduation rates for ASU. Are these some magic numbers or thresholds? Does the success or failure of an institution reduce so simplistically to a single quantification of the amount of time it takes one to graduate? Is it truly a failure if a person takes longer than four or six years to graduate?

Even if one does not graduate, isn't there a value to having received some additional education beyond high school- at least that is what statistics from the BLS indicate? But then again the BLS statistics may be as meaningless as simplistic four year and six year graduation rates. What was it that Marc Twain is quoted as having said about statistics?

MMorgan
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MMorgan 08/28/12 - 11:53 pm
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A RECKLESS LEADER!

What does one expect from a man who pushes the only name of the three that sounds like an online university? He has zero tact, diplomacy, class, understanding or compassion for the citizens of this community. Let the black-balling begin! This is one time I do hope the "good old boys" system works!

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