Chick-fil-A not the problem

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Gays are no longer bullied, but the bullies.

Their latest bully victim is the Christian belief that marriage is between a man and a woman.

Gays are attempting to bully Christians into renouncing their faith by holding Chick-fil-A hostage. Chick-fil-A is a great company that promotes and practices diversity and equal opportunity. Furthermore, it has a successful leader who is a faithful Christian who believes marriage is between a man and a woman. Gays would prefer a not-so-faithful leader.

Gays want Christians to deny their faith even though the Bible says in Romans, Chapter 1: “Humans exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served created things rather than the Creator. Because of this God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even the women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with one another.” Also, the Bible says in I Corinthians, Chapter 7: “Since there is so much sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband.”

The Bible is clear. The Bible did not say if you are gay you can marry and pretend your same-sex partner is a husband or a wife.

Neither gay desires, nor presidential endorsements, are above God’s word. The Christian faith is based on God’s word. Therefore, neither Christianity nor Chick-fil-A is the problem for gays. It’s God. God is bully-proof.

Kevin Palmer

Martinez

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nnaugusta
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nnaugusta 08/06/12 - 01:34 am
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Amen !!

Amen !! Awesome letter Mr. Palmer.

WyattEarp Earp
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WyattEarp Earp 08/06/12 - 04:02 am
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Chick-fil-A not the bullies

Kevin, I totally understand we have Gays in the world..!! What I don't understand is if not for the fact of a union between a man and a woman, how on Gods green Earth would they be Here.....!!!

OJP
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OJP 08/06/12 - 07:05 am
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Freedom of Speech

Chick-fil-A is free to donate to whomever it chooses; its customers who disagree with those donations are free to eat elsewhere. Simple as that (and Christians are free to do the same with regard to companies that support equal rights... but good luck ever using the internet again).

And this is the United States, where freedom of religion is paramount. The belief in the Christian god can no more influence our public institutions than can the belief in Zeus. We decide what is and is not a marriage (the civil institution).

Also, calling gays the oppressors and a multi-billion dollar company the oppressed is comical.

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Techfan 08/06/12 - 07:06 am
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I'm pretty sure gays just

I'm pretty sure gays just want the same right as straight people to marry the person they love. The problem with Cathy is that he's donating millions to groups that lobby to deny that right, as well as some that are hate groups. When you give money to the Family Research Council (Tony Perkins, president), you should expect some backlash. When managing the Senate campaign of Woody Jenkins (La.), Perkins paid to use Klan leader David Duke's mailing list. A few years later, he gave a speech to white supremacists. Under Perkins, the FRC lobbied Congress to quash a bill opposing Uganda's anti-gay laws (little things like the death penalty for gays, and punish those that don't turn in gays, etc.). Of course, "the Family" in DC helped push the kill the gays laws along (former or current member include:Mark Sanford, John Ensign, Jim DeMint, John Ashcroft, Dan Quayle, James Inhofe, Tom Coburn,...).

TParty
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TParty 08/06/12 - 08:16 am
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"Gays are attempting to bully

"Gays are attempting to bully Christians into renouncing their faith by holding Chick-fil-A hostage."

Hyperbole much?

How is some people deciding they don't want their money going towards anti-gay charities holding anything hostage? I think all the Christians who are passionate about this will eat even more at Chick-Fill-A (I can't imagine many will donate food to the hungry or poor, since Jesus is all about supply side today) so don't worry!

Gay marriage is coming, it's not going backwards.

nanowerx
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nanowerx 08/06/12 - 08:20 am
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Stop playing the victim, Christians.

There is no "War on your religion" and the boogie man in his fabulous rainbow attire isn't out to get you. Freedom of speech is a great thing and I will fight for anyones right to say whatever they want, but that does not absolve you of any kind of backlash if people do not agree with the message. You absolutely have the right to choose what parts of the bible you wish to follow and can hate on gay marriage, but consumers also hold the power to protest with our wallets. That is what the free market is about.

One persons right to free speech doesn't stop someone elses ability to protest (which is also protected by the first amendment). If you want to choose things to be so strict about supporting from the bible why not stop getting haircuts, women should start being subservient to man, you should stop being free thinkers and avoid swine. These rules are all things proclaimed in the bible to be sins if broken, but that doesn't stop any of you one bit from breaking those rules while lambasting gay people and then claiming to be the victims. Disgusting. Chick Fil A themselves serves breakfast sausage...so the company themselves are actually sinning by breaking the no swine rule of the bible. Ironic.

@wyattearp - You got that wrong, there are plenty of artificial insemination births happening all the time. Not to mention that gay couple are the biggest adoptors of children with no home/family. Religious morals should not deny a child from a good home.

In close I have some scripture for everyone about this whole "Chick Fil A" appreciation/anti-gay marriage debacle:

"Be careful not to do your 'acts of righteousness' before men, to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from the Father in heaven." - Matthew 6:1

Take that into careful consideration.

Puck862
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Puck862 08/06/12 - 08:19 am
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If you want to live the

If you want to live the biblical definition of a christian life fine. If gay people want to be gay fine..... This article is saying that because Christians believe that God is against Gay marriage then everyone in America should be. Well what if you dont believe in God? Equality means everyone has the right to be themselves not that everyone is exactly the same. It means that no matter what you believe, think, practice that as long as you are not harming anyone else then everyone is treated the same. In no way am i bad mouthing Chic Fila. They excersised their rights well. Its the bistanders. Chickfila day was dumb. blasting chickfila was dumb. Stop worrying about what everyone else believes and thinks and worry about yourself and this world will be a much better place.

effete elitist liberal
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effete elitist liberal 08/06/12 - 08:41 am
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gay marriage

Bible quoters such as Palmer often forget a simple fact--that civil marriages and religious marriages are two very different things in both theory and fact. Marriages recognized as "legal" by various governments may be quite different from marriages considered valid by various religious institutions , and visa-versa. In an increasing number of governmental jurisdictions, same-sex marriages are contracted daily, marriages which many churches in the same jurisdiction would not perform. Nothing the bigots running Chick-fil-A can do or say will change this. As time goes on, more and more governments will legalize same-sex unions, and churches will remain free either to recognize or reject them. So far as government goes, the Bible is irrelevant. "God's word" does not apply. Supporters of Cathy and his ilk will themselves sink into a sputtering, ineffectual, and dwindling minority as their desires to have government rubber-stamp their Christian views are increasingly frustrated. As another poster said, same-sex marriage is coming. Chick-fil-A Christians, your days of holding government hostage to your bigotry are almost over!

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 08/06/12 - 08:42 am
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Who are you talking about?

OJP posted:

We decide what is and is not a marriage (the civil institution).

Just who is this “we” referring to?

justthefacts
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justthefacts 08/06/12 - 08:43 am
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Keep trying

"Under Perkins, the FRC lobbied Congress to quash a bill opposing Uganda's anti-gay laws (little things like the death penalty for gays, and punish those that don't turn in gays, etc.)." No matter how many times you misconstrue the facts about this, it won't make it true.

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 08/06/12 - 08:47 am
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Rights

Techfan wrote:

I'm pretty sure gays just want the same right as straight people to marry the person they love.

Actually, gays already have the right to marry the person they love. Two gays can find a preacher, have him conduct a ceremony with witnesses present, and declare to the public that they are married. At the same time, the governments of Georgia and South Carolina have the authority not to recognize the marriage. Both conditions can co-exist.

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 08/06/12 - 08:52 am
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Citation

Well, nanowerx, I read your citation of Matthew 6:1 and I gave it careful consideration. I don't understand it. Can you explain what it means?

justthefacts
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justthefacts 08/06/12 - 08:53 am
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Same rights

BTW, they do have the same rights. Its not just gays that can't marry same sex. Straight folks can't either. Law applies to both.

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nofanofobama 08/06/12 - 09:06 am
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elist liberals say

elist liberals say ..christians are bigots..2 observations 1- there is no one more intolerant than as self professing tolerant liberal..they can tolerate anything and everything but christians..2- GODS WORD does not apply--- sometimes GODS punishment is that HE allows us to pursue our own foolishness.... and GOD WORDS does apply every where whether we accept it or not....

Angie H
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Angie H 08/06/12 - 09:08 am
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JTF....I poined that out

JTF....I poined that out ad-nauseum last week, but people continue to ignore that fact. Gays have the exact same rights as everyone else. You can't marry someone simply because you love them. There are all sorts of restrictions to marriage that apply to ALL people equally. If you don't agree with the restrictions, you can lobby to have them changed, but you can't say that someone has different rights, because it simply is NOT true.

Angie H
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Angie H 08/06/12 - 09:10 am
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The liberals are intolerant

The liberals are intolerant of Christians when THEY say they are against gay marriage, but continue to support OPEC, who is owned by people who will put you to death if you are homosexual. Why the difference?

Angie H
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Angie H 08/06/12 - 09:15 am
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Were the Democrats bigots

Were the Democrats bigots when they voted for Obama, and he has the exacty same stance on gay marriage as Chick fil-a?

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 08/06/12 - 09:16 am
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Shared Beliefs

Kevin Palmer wrote:

Gays are no longer bullied, but the bullies. Their latest bully victim is the Christian belief that marriage is between a man and a woman.

Hey, let us not forget that that belief is shared by Jews, Muslims, and Hindus also.

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TParty 08/06/12 - 09:18 am
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"Were the Democrats bigots

"Were the Democrats bigots when they voted for Obama, and he has the [exactly] same stance on gay marriage as Chick fil-a?"

Did Obama support pray the gay away church things, or kill gays in Uganda cause? Because the CEO of Chick-Fil-A donates money to those causes. It's not just the marriage thing.

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 08/06/12 - 09:19 am
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Evolution

Well, Angie, Obama did espouse that view in 2008 (and indeed even later). But it seems his views have evolved as this election looms. He is either a campaign genius or self-destructive. We'll see. I pray the latter.

nanowerx
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nanowerx 08/06/12 - 09:34 am
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Ugh.

Why is this a Liberal vs Conservative thing? I am conservative and Republican, but I am still for gay people getting married and getting the same marriage benefits as the rest of us. I don't want anybody getting extra or special rights, I just want every American to be able to do all the same things regardless of color, creed, religion, or sexual preference. Look, I love heterosexual marriage, that is why I married a woman, but somebody elses marriage doesn't bother me, doesn't hurt me, and doesn't brutalize anybodies religion. So, your religion says not to get gay married? Well then don't, but don't tell others what they can do because of that...NOT EVERYBODY FOLLOWS YOUR RELIGION.

Plus can we stop this nonsense about marriage being a Christian institution? There have been historical accounts of marriage happening hundreds (if not thousands) of years before Jesus was even born. Jewish people were commencing ceremony's back in this time very frequently.

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Tullie 08/06/12 - 09:19 am
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What?

TParty wrote:

"Gays are attempting to bully Christians into renouncing their faith by holding Chick-fil-A hostage."

What? Who cares if they go to Chick-fil-A and kiss each other for one day? You think a Christian is going to renounce their faith over that?

How is some people deciding they don't want their money going towards anti-gay charities holding anything hostage?

Is there a list of anti-gay charities or something? Last time I checked this was America and people could give their money as they saw fit. I don't see people raising Hell about a lot of other folks handing over money that advocate terrorism.

I think all the Christians who are passionate about this will eat even more at Chick-Fill-A (I can't imagine many will donate food to the hungry or poor, since Jesus is all about supply side today) so don't worry!

I don't know what this means..last time I checked most Christians I know donate a the hungry and poor in food, time, clothing, etc. And what is Jesus all about today..supply side? What is that?

Gay marriage is coming, it's not going backwards.

I thought gays were getting married, I see it on Comcast on tv all the time! So it has to be true!!

Angie H
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Angie H 08/06/12 - 09:24 am
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"Did Obama support pray the

"Did Obama support pray the gay away church things, or kill gays in Uganda cause? Because the CEO of Chick-Fil-A donates money to those causes. "

Answer? I don't know....his financial records are sealed along with the rest.

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 08/06/12 - 09:26 am
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Backlash?

Techfan posted:

When you give money to [. . . insert charity of your choice here . . .], you should expect some backlash.

I don't think so. Freedom of speech is freedom of speech. No one should be criticised for expressing his belief. Instead we should be debating the content of the beliefs, logically and rationally. That seldom happens when the topic is homosexual marriage and government recognition.

Angie H
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Angie H 08/06/12 - 09:26 am
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And nice use of the term

And nice use of the term "kill gays in Uganda", not mentioning that it has nothing to do with killing anyone.

TParty
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TParty 08/06/12 - 09:26 am
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"Gays are no longer bullied,

"Gays are no longer bullied, but the bullies."

Maybe Christians need their own "It gets better" campaign since so Christians are being bullied much that the suicide rate is 8 times higher for Christians compared to other groups, since so many believe the act of being Christian is an abomination. And at such a young age, with so many people telling Christians their lifestyle is a choice- that they were not born Christian- they need to change because it's a sin. We love the person, they just need to change what they do because it's an abomination, and thus they feel excluded and isolated. Anytime a Christian wants to talk about who they are- their family, friends and community tell them they are sick, and will be punished. Some even go so far as to physically attack and even kill Christians...

Yeah, Christians need their own "It gets better" campaign.

Angie H
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Angie H 08/06/12 - 09:27 am
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effete elitist liberal
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effete elitist liberal 08/06/12 - 09:28 am
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nofan

In the words of Dan Cathy, "guilty as charged!" I not only admit it, but am very proud of the fact that I am intolerant of Christians who demonize gays and oppose same-sex marriage. I was intolerant of whites in the South (and elsewhere), almost always Christians, who denied basic rights to African-Americans. I was intolerant of white men and some white women, mostly Christians, who fought to limit women's rights. I was intolerant of all those self-professed Christians who fought to retain the anti-sodomy laws intended to stigmatize, and criminalize, gays. I have consistently been intolerant of intolerance. I am for equality and inclusiveness. You know, I sort of thought that was what America was all about....

TParty
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TParty 08/06/12 - 09:33 am
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"I don't know what this

"I don't know what this means..last time I checked most Christians I know donate a the hungry and poor in food"

I guess Aug 1st would have been a shinning moment to donate food, or feed the hungry with Chick-Fil-A.

And this is supply side Jesus: http://www.bobonline.net/progxiansd/ssj/index.html

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rmwhitley 08/06/12 - 09:36 am
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The left's
Unpublished

bashing of Christianity was sadly evidenced in the monstrous assassination of 6 Sikh Americans in Wisconsin. Described as a "hate crime" by most of the left press. The monstrous assassinations in Colorado 2 weeks ago were labled by abc's brian ross and george stephonopoulous as an act by the Tea Party. The "Tea Party" is made up of, primarily, conservative Christians who believe in the sanctity of life. Abortion is as heinous as the mass murders in Wisconsin and Colorado. We have no desire to "hate", "kill", or succomb to pressure from such "hate groups" as the naacp or the lgbt lobbies. You sing to a choir so full of hate and discontent that you have become dispicable. Chick-Fil-A has Every right afforded under the Constitution of the United States. obama and the left have driven a wedge between what used to be a united country. lefties, you only give us more strength by your aberational stances. God bless Dan Cathey and Chick-Fil-A.

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