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Although I am not a resident of Augusta, I do live in proximity. Regardless of any connection, I am proud that Mayor Deke Copenhaver is unafraid and unashamed to gather community leaders for a prayer breakfast. As a Christian, I am pleased that a government official has the courage to do it; I am impressed that he subscribes to the benefits of such a gathering.

Christians have been too quiet for too long. It is time that believers stand up and speak out. Such action may take many varied avenues of manifestation. For the mayor, it is his prayer breakfast. I am truly grateful that he chooses to do this.

America was founded upon Godly principles. Our Constitution, which today is virtually ignored in Washington, D.C., guarantees us the freedom “of” religion, not freedom “from” religion. Our Founding Fathers did not want to establish a national faith, but rather sought to protect the privilege of the free exercise of faith by individuals. The Wisconsin-based Freedom from Religion Foundation (“Prayer breakfasts scrutinized,” July 7) is out of line to challenge the mayor or any other group based on the free exercise of one’s faith.

A recent NBC survey cited 86 percent supported keeping “In God We Trust” on our currency and “one nation under God” in our Pledge of Allegiance. Obviously the Wisconsin group belongs to the 14 percent for whom we need to pray.

I personally commend Mayor Copenhaver, and sincerely wish other leaders at all levels would follow his example. If that could become a reality, perhaps the direction in which our nation is moving could be altered.

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Techfan
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Techfan 07/17/12 - 05:13 am
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It's a shame that Americans

It's a shame that Americans aren't allowed to practice their religion in this country. Why, there's hardly a single church in the area except:

American Baptist

First American Baptist Church
Harvest Baptist Church
Tabernacle Baptist Church
Free Will Baptist

First Freewill Baptist Church Of Augusta
Peace Free Will Baptist Church

Full Gospel Baptist

Straightway Full Gospel Baptist Church
Independent Baptist

Berean Baptist Church
Crossroads Baptist Church
Faith Baptist Church
Good Samaritan Baptist Church
Macedonia Baptist Church
Maranatha Baptist Church
Mount Calvary Baptist Church
Mt. Vernon Baptist Church
New Heart Bible Fellowship
Providence Baptist Church
Sharon Baptist Church
Southgate Baptist Church
Storey Mill Road Baptist Church
Trinity Baptist Church
Waynesboro Baptist Temple
West Augusta Baptist Church
Westside Baptist Church
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Missionary Baptist

Beechwood Missionary Baptist Church
Bell Grove Missionary Baptist Church
Beulah Grove Baptist Church
Broadway Baptist Church
Crawford Baptist Church
Ever Faithful Baptist Church
Fairview Missionary Baptist Church
Faith Temple Missionary Baptist Church
Galilee Missionary Baptist Church
Gethsemane Baptist Church
Good Shepherd Baptist Church
Greater Mt. Canaan Missionary Baptist Church
Greater Young Zion Missionary Baptist Church
Green Grove Missionary Baptist Church
Hale Street Baptist Church
Jerusalem Baptist Church
Liberty Baptist Church
McElmurray Tabernacle Missionary Baptist Church
Mt. Olive Missionary Baptist Church
Mt. Zion Missionary Baptist Church
New Creation Missionary Baptist Church
New Exodus Missionary Baptist Church
New Zion Hill Missionary Baptist Church
Noah's Ark Baptist Church
Oak Grove Missionary Baptist Church
Palmer Grove Baptist Church
Second Bynes Grove Baptist Church
Siloam Missionary Baptist Church
Thankful Missionary Baptist Church
Thankful Baptist Church
Tremont Temple Baptist Church
United One Way Baptist Church
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Primitive Baptist

Augusta Old Line Primitive Baptist Church
Augusta Primitive Baptist Church
First Primitive Baptist Church
Harmony Baptist Church
Southern Baptist

Abilene Baptist Church
Augusta Association Of Baptist Churches
Baker Woods Baptist Church
Bayvale Baptist Church
Bellevue Baptist Church
Berea Baptist Church
Bethesda Baptist Church
Blythe Baptist Church
Broad Street Baptist Church
Calvary Baptist Church - Augusta
Calvary Baptist Church - Dearing
Camak Baptist Church
Clearview Baptist Church
Crawford Avenue Baptist Church
Crestview Baptist Church
Curtis Baptist Church
Dallas Heights Baptist Church
Damascus Baptist Church
Dayspring Baptist Church
Dearing Baptist Church
Doyal Grove Baptist Church
Evans First Baptist Church
Faith Baptist Church
Fellowship Baptist Church - Gibson, GA
Fellowship Baptist Church - Grovetown, GA
First Baptist Church - Augusta
First Baptist Church Of Evans
First Baptist Church Of Gracewood
First Baptist Church - Stapleton
First Baptist Church - Thomson
First Baptist Church - Waynesboro
Fleming Baptist Church
Fort Creek Baptist Church
Gibson First Baptist Church
Glenn Hills Baptist Church
Grace Baptist Church
Grace Fellowship
Greater Augusta Baptist Church
Hephzibah Baptist Church
Hillcrest Baptist Church
Hillcrest Hispanic Baptist Church
Kiokee Baptist Church
Lake Park Baptist Church
Little Briar Baptist Church
Magnolia Baptist Church
Marks Baptist Church
Marshall Baptist Church
Martinez Baptist Church
McBean Baptist Church
Mill Creek Baptist Church
Miracle Baptist Church
Miracles In The Making Ministries
Morningside Baptist Church
Mt. Beulah Baptist Church
Mt. Lebanon Baptist Church
Mt. Transfiguration Baptist Church
National Hills Baptist Church
New Heights Baptist Church
New Hope Baptist Church of Harlem
New Horizon Church
New Life Baptist Church
New Testament Baptist Church
Norwood Baptist Church
Oak Grove Baptist Church
Oakey Grove Baptist Church
Open Door Baptist Church
Parkway Baptist Church
Pine Grove Baptist Church
Pine Hill Baptist Church
Pine View Baptist Church
Piney Grove Baptist Church
Pleasant Grove Baptist Church
Reedy Creek Baptist Church
Roberson Grove Baptist Church
Rocky Springs Baptist Church
Rosemont Heights Baptist Church
Second Baptist Church
Sharon Baptist Church
Sherwood Baptist Church
Silver Run Baptist Church
Silvercrest Baptist Church
South Haven Baptist Church
Southside Baptist Church
Springhill Baptist Church
Sweetwater Baptist Church
The Central Baptist Church
The Church at Greenbrier
The Hill Baptist Church
The Hill Baptist Church West
Warren Baptist Baptist Church
Warrenton First Baptist Church
Washington Heights Baptist Church
West Acres Baptist Church
Whispering Pines Baptist Church
Windsor Heights Baptist Church
Windsor Spring Baptist Church
Woodlawn Baptist Church
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Baptist

Adams's Grove Baptist Church
Allen Chapel Baptist Church
Antioch Baptist Church
Beach Branch Baptist Church
Bethel Baptist Church
Bibleway Christian Baptist Church
Botsford Baptist Church
Bottsford Spring Baptist Church
Brinkley Chapel Baptist Church
Bryant Grove Baptist Church
Canaan of Galilee Baptist Church
Central African Baptist Church
Christian Fountain Baptist Church
Clark Grove Baptist Church
Cobb Grove Baptist Church
Corinth Baptist Church
Cumming Grove Baptist Church
East Burke Baptist Church
Elam Baptist Church
Fairfield Baptist Church
Fielding Spring Baptist Church
First Dayspring Baptist Church
First Metropolitan Baptist Church
First Mt. Moriah Baptist Church
First New Hope Baptist Church
First Shiloh Baptist Church
Forest Hill Baptist Church
Franklin Covenant Baptist Church
Friendship Baptist Church
Gardner Grove Baptist Church
Givens Grove Baptist Church
Good Hope Baptist Church
Gospel Water Branch Baptist Church
Gray's Grove Baptist Church
Greater Love Baptist Church
Greater St. John Baptist Church
Green Branch Baptist Church
Greenwood Baptist Church
Grove First Baptist Church
Hephzibah Baptist Association
Historic First Ebenezer Baptist Church
Hosannah Baptist Church
Jones Grove Baptist Church
Jordan Grove Baptist Church
Korean Baptist Church
Korean First Baptist Church Of Augusta
Lamar Murphy Memorial Baptist Church
Langston Grove Baptist Church
Lithonia Baptist Church
Lumpkin Road Baptist Church
Macedonia Baptist Church - Baston Road
Macedonia Baptist Church - Wrightsboro Road
Maranntha Baptist Church
McElmurray Spring Branch Baptist Church
Mckinney Branch Baptist Church
Meadowbrook Baptist Church
Metropolitan Baptist Church
Morningstar Baptist Church
Morning Star Baptist Church
Moses Baptist Church
Mount Enon Baptist Church
Mt. Gilead Baptist Church
Mt. Olive Baptist Church
Mt. Pleasant Baptist Church - Augusta
Mt. Pleasant Baptist Church - Thomson
Mt. Sinai Baptist Church
New Springfield Baptist Church
Olivet Baptist Church
Peel Grove Baptist Church
Pierce Grove Baptist Church
Piney Grove Baptist Church
Piney Grove Forrest Hills Baptist Church
Poplar Head Baptist Church
Potersville Baptist Church
Raysville Baptist Mission
Richmond Hill Baptist Church
Rock Creek Baptist Church
Ross Grove Baptist Church
Sardis Baptist Church
Second Ebenezer Baptist Church
Second Hopeful Baptist Church
2nd McCannon Baptist Church
Second Mt. Moriah Baptist Church
Second New Hope Baptist Church
Second Shiloh Baptist Church
Servants Of God Baptist Church
Spirit Creek Baptist Church
Springfield Baptist Church - Augusta
Springfield Baptist Church - Thomson
Springhill Baptist Church
St. Clair Baptist Church
St. Hall Baptist Church
Summerville Baptist Church
Thankful Baptist Church - Blythe
Thomas Grove Baptist Church
True Vine Baptist Church
Union Baptist Church
Unity Baptist Church
Watkinsville Baptist Church
White Oak Grove Baptist

That's just the area Baptist churches. You can tell religion is being crushed.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 07/17/12 - 05:45 am
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Odd Techfan, why'd you choose

Odd Techfan, why'd you choose Baptist? There are other faith base churches....why not Catholic, Methodist, Presbyterian? I don't see where Mr. Reviere mentioned anything about not being able to practice his religion. I believe he stressed that Christians needed to take a stand in America to be able to worship, pray, and spread the Word of God where ever they feel the calling of God and stopped being hushed and intimidated by those of this world who seek to destroy the name of Christ. Christians are not confined to 4 walls in worshiping and praising the name of Jesus.......

Techfan
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Techfan 07/17/12 - 06:13 am
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I used to be Baptist before

I used to be Baptist before they raced to the extreme right wing. That's why I picked it. Anyone can practice whatever religious beliefs they want. They can worship, pray, and spread the word, IF they aren't bothering someone else. I have no problem with someone handing out tracts, having a ten commandments sign in their yard, even painting Bible verses on a car and driving around town. When someone comes up and starts talking to me and won't leave when I ask them, keeps trying to hand me their literature when I don't want it, or trying to make part of their religious beliefs into law, I have a big problem. The government shouldn't have a role in supporting any of them. I think the FFRF goes too far at times, but here I think they're spot on. If the mayor was having breakfasts with Muslim clerics, the editorials and letters would be blasting it daily. Why should it be ok for one religion and not another? It shouldn't. It shouldn't be with any religion at all. Government should be secular, and provide a setting for people to practice their faith (or not practice any) freely, not endorsing one over the other.

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Riverman1 07/17/12 - 06:37 am
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Don't encourage Techfan to

Don't encourage Techfan to put up a list with all denominations. That one was long enough.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 07/17/12 - 06:39 am
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Rhetorical question. What

Rhetorical question. What church is Deke C. a member of?

Techfan
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Techfan 07/17/12 - 06:51 am
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Yeah, it was long. I figured

Yeah, it was long. I figured it would get the point across better than just a link. Deke's Presbyterian, which I sort of figured.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 07/17/12 - 06:59 am
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Well, I'm SOUTHERN Baptist

Well, I'm SOUTHERN Baptist and we recently elected a black man president of the national organization. If y'all don't like Southern Baptists you are racists and will end up being criticized on MSNBC.

Techfan
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Techfan 07/17/12 - 07:01 am
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Who said anything about race?

Who said anything about race?

Riverman1
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Riverman1 07/17/12 - 07:29 am
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Techfan, I laughed at your

Techfan, I laughed at your list, you can laugh at my post. Don't take things so seriously.

Fiat_Lux
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Fiat_Lux 07/17/12 - 07:42 am
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It's about prayer, not religion

Why is that so hard to understand? The prayer breakfast moves around at the invitation of different places of worship. It's about what we have in common and not about what divides us, except that we might live in peace despite those divisions.

What person of good will in their right mind or with a grain of sense would object to something like this?

effete elitist liberal
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effete elitist liberal 07/17/12 - 07:59 am
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"the 14 percent"

As a proud member of the 14 percent whom Mr. Riviere feels compelled to pray for, I say save your breath. We neither need nor want your prayers. In fact we resent them and the condescending attitude behind them. As I tell those pimply-faced LDS missionaries when they show up at my front door, just move on down the street and leave me alone. The real motive for all those prayers is getting a few "Brownie points" on that big tote board in the sky.

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Willow Bailey 07/17/12 - 08:00 am
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Fiat, I think you answered

Fiat, I think you answered your own question; of good will, a right mind and a grain of sense.

Fiat_Lux
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Fiat_Lux 07/17/12 - 08:06 am
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The people who do object

are the same children who spoiled everyone's peace and happiness on the playground, but all grown up and even more able to mess life up for people who are happier than they are.

This is not a surprise. So many parents have abandoned their responsibility for the moral and spiritual formation of their children, for so many decades now, that a frightening proportion of today's parents can hardly be held culpable for their neglect. They haven't a clue, because their parents hadn't a clue. It is only by grace that most of us are any different.

itsanotherday1
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itsanotherday1 07/17/12 - 08:07 am
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"Don't encourage Techfan to

"Don't encourage Techfan to put up a list with all denominations. That one was long enough."

I didn't figure he/she was picking on Baptists, it was just the first one in the alphabet.

Fiat_Lux
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Fiat_Lux 07/17/12 - 08:11 am
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One caveat to my comment just above

Clearly, this does not apply to people who simply want to be left alone with their opinion and lack of belief, such as EEL above at 8:59, who is quite accurate about the condescension beamed by some people who don't get the desired response to what they are offering.

To those, we owe an apology.

effete elitist liberal
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effete elitist liberal 07/17/12 - 08:46 am
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One caveat

F_L: Unless I am missing something in what seems to be your thoughtful and generous comment, thank you for tolerating real differences.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 07/17/12 - 08:51 am
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Techfan you stated "They can

Techfan you stated "They can worship, pray, and spread the word, IF they aren't bothering someone else" "The government shouldn't have a role in supporting any of them."

Can you please tell me who is the Mayor bothering when he attends a meeting consisting of INVITED guest who are community leaders and religious leaders in our city/county and a prayer is offered for unity and progress in our community. What exactly is the Mayor supporting?

I totally agree with you, if you inform someone you are not interested in hearing about their faith, do not want their literature, and they continue to pursue you.....I'd be upset also. I can almost guarantee you that this is not done by the Christian faith. Sad to say, Baptist have become severely slack about going into the neighborhoods on visitation night, so I know you aren't referring to them. There are one or two religions that normally go door to door handing out literature or tracts, or scan the neighborhood on their bikes that can become over zealous in their approach to converting new followers so including everyone in this group is a little misleading.

You stated: "If the mayor was having breakfasts with Muslim clerics,..."

And how do you know that some Muslim clerics have not attended some of the Mayor's Prayer Breakfast meetings?

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Jon Lester 07/17/12 - 11:10 am
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Didn't Jesus say something about those who make a show
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of their piety? Local government has enough to do already.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 07/17/12 - 11:39 am
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Mr. Reviere states "Our

Mr. Reviere states "Our Founding Fathers did not want to establish a national faith, but rather sought to protect the privilege of the free exercise of faith by individuals"

grouse, I see no where in Mr. Reviere's letter where he states his religion is the only one.

"That "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..." speaks to the issue of freedom FROM religion very eloquently."

and I believe the rest of that is "... or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." which speaks of having the freedom to practice my faith whenever and whereever one chooses, so long as the intent is not to establish a national religion.....which is NOT what the Mayor's Prayer Breakfast is about.

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soldout 07/17/12 - 12:42 pm
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relationship

Christianity is called a religion but it is more a relationship with the creator of the universe. It upsets folks because it is the only one with power. All other religious leaders are in their grave but Jesus rose from the grave. It is also received through grace and not some performance which bugs a lot of folks. It is also the best for the leaders of a country because you are never in danger from a Christian. It is strange that people are upset at a God they don't believe in who may send them to a place they don't think exists. The anti-Christian crowd is always angry about something because they are betting their life on the Christians being wrong. The Christians are at peace because the Spirit of Christ is living in them and it leads them into all truth and peace.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 07/17/12 - 01:21 pm
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"The man without the Spirit

"The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned." 1 Corinthians 2:14

Jake
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Jake 07/17/12 - 01:34 pm
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Old Vietnamese saying, "Boo sit"

"You are never in danger from a Christian" - It is comforting to know that, especially when a pistol packing preacher whips out his piece when doing house visitation. That statement also gives me peace of mind about the preacher's wife in Tennessee who shotgunned her husband to death with their children still in the house and is still roaming around after getting off scott free.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 07/17/12 - 02:18 pm
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Yeah Jake, two examples out

Yeah Jake, two examples out of 224,457,000 professed Christians in the US. You really have something to worry about.

Jake
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Jake 07/17/12 - 02:29 pm
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ICL

I am sure I could have come up with some more but the point being soldout's broad brush statement that "you are NEVER in danger from a Christian". Capice?

InChristLove
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InChristLove 07/17/12 - 03:22 pm
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Seems you were brushing with

Seems you were brushing with the same wide brush Jake.

Bomis
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Bomis 07/17/12 - 04:20 pm
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Two Quick Points

"The 'establishment of religion' clause of the First Amendment means at least this: Neither a state nor the Federal Government can set up a church. Neither can pass laws which aid one religion, aid all religions or prefer one religion over another. Neither can force nor influence a person to go to or to remain away from church against his will or force him to profess a belief or disbelief in any religion. No person can be punished for entertaining or professing religious beliefs or disbeliefs, for church attendance or non-attendance. No tax in any amount, large or small, can be levied to support any religious activities or institutions, whatever they may be called, or whatever form they may adopt to teach or practice religion. Neither a state nor the Federal Government can, openly or secretly, participate in the affairs of any religious organizations or groups and vice versa. In the words of Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect 'a wall of separation between Church and State.'" 330 U.S. 1, 15-16.

-Justice Hugo Black on Everson v. Board of Education (1947)

I'm tired of the argument that 'It's freedom of religion, not freedom from religion.'

The Freedom from Religion Foundation has only asked that the mayor stop spending taxpayers money on support for the religious event (using the web page paid for by the taxpayers; using a city employee to help organize it; going as The Mayor during business hours when he is being paid by taxpayer money...). It's not an attack on the religious aspects at all. Not every person that pays taxes in this city is christian after all...

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Jane18 07/17/12 - 04:25 pm
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Matt.6:6.....in secret

Grouse, the "in secret" means in private. Same thing with your alms(money, food,etc., that are given), we as individuals, are not to brag, boast, be loud, to get attention from others. Being in private means just between The Father and you. This is very different than a group meeting and having a prayer. My own private or "in secret" is on my front porch very early in the morning. But, as a group, during the 4th of July, it was a prayer of thankfulness and the safety of everyone. I find it unsettling that someone could find anything wrong with a little prayer. You and others would be surprized to find out how often someone has prayed for you and your souls...................

Jake
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Jake 07/17/12 - 04:49 pm
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Reading comprehinsion

Now if I was brushing with the same wide brush I would have made an asinine statement like "you are ALWAYS in danger from a Christian". Which is absurd, like it would be if you inserted Muslim, Buddhist, or any other sect in place of Christian.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 07/17/12 - 04:49 pm
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grouse, I'll agree that

grouse, I'll agree that prayer should never be for show but you totally miss the meaning of Matthew 6:6. Not surprised.

americafirst
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americafirst 07/17/12 - 06:41 pm
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Techfan has way too much time

Techfan has way too much time on his hands.

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