Dems fulfill vile mission

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This program was never – I repeat, never – about health care. It was, from the very beginning, an attempt to destroy the private health-care industry, thereby forcing everyone into a single-payer, government-run system.

President Obama himself was quoted in 2007 saying it might take 10 or 15 years. Mission accomplished.

What infuriates me is that private-sector solutions were never even considered by the left – like allowing people to shop across state lines for insurance, or attempting some type of tort reform to crack down on the “one call that’s all” ambulance chasers and keep insurance companies expenses down.

No, the only solution ever considered by our “friends” on the left was a complete and total takeover of the health-care system in an attempt to buy the votes of the poor, the ignorant and the illegals. That gives the left the power in the next election cycle to say “Don’t vote for those evil Republicans. They want to take away your health care.” Again, mission accomplished.

Sadly, I see health-care rationing in the near future, making it harder for everyone to get proper care. Death panels? Not exactly. The whole system is the death panel.

We will then begin to live out the results of what does not work about Obamacare.

It eventually will reduce doctors to being government employees (DMV medicine, anyone?), and will reduce the overall quality and availability of health care to all Americans.

Lastly, the Supreme Court ruling will either work out fine (which I seriously doubt), or it will bankrupt this country and prove to be the final nail in the coffin the left has been building for America for years. Mission accomplished, indeed.

William Davis

Augusta

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fedex227
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fedex227 07/02/12 - 11:11 pm
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As I've stated before ...
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What did Republicans do when they controlled the House, Senate, and Presidency from 2002-2006 to tackle the problems of uninsured Americans and escalating medical insurance costs? That's right-- Nothing !! Move aside, you had the chance and you blew it. Watch how an administration with vision and compassion moves this country forward.

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skeptic griggsy 07/03/12 - 03:29 am
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Truth
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From the left, one can say that ti's a great boon for the insurance industry when Medicare for all would be cheaper!Why wasn't that the way forward instead? I do accept Obama-cares as a great improvement over the pathetic system that left million uninsured. Switzerland took our approach twenty years ago after a hard slug, now finding it a great boon.
Now individuals will have responsibility to improve their health through preventative care.Newt Gingrich calls my VA system the best in America, but such not for all Americans- socialism- as the government owns the hospitals and pays the salaries.
Had the public option been included, then perhaps universal Medicare would have come about, but Pres. Barack Hussein Obama and the Democratic Party could not agree to that. When fully implemented in 2014, then most people will find it such an improvement over the pathetic system we had!Remember how in 1961, Mr. Ronald Wilson Reagan called the then proposed Medicare socialism and how it would make America unrecognizable! No, reactionaries as usual just bloviate and now can abjure me and - weep!
fedex, of course! They want to put us on the road to socialism with the disproved immoral laissez-faire dystopia! Yes, they actually would dump the old ladies! They with their well-trained eyes of prejudgments cannot ever notice reality!How big will the Obama-Biden re-election landslide be? What narrow election when Willard like Sen. Barry Goldwater keeps prattling his narrow nightmare for America? Again, weep! I'm a man by the way. We liberals are winning-gays, Chief Justice Roberts, getting out of two mismanaged wars - Bush-Cheney so stupid in war-planning and so forth. Bring it on reactionaries! Make me laugh! http://jefferson-of-today.posterous.com See my comment to reactionaries there!Post there,please! By the way, Jefferson blasted Christianity but not Yeshua whereas I differ. Jefferson + Hamilton = our noble Union! And Michelle Malkin and Star Parker = nescience!

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allamr18 07/03/12 - 06:17 am
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Umm

How does tort reform reduce the cost of health care? and how does it ensure that people who cant afford health care get it? And buying across state lines is constantly addressed as a way to grant health care access by the right, but there are actual issues with that. Health insurance is regulated by states. So Oregon may have insurance plans that cover things unique to oregon while South Carolina may not. And what happens is One state offers extremely favorable regulations for the insurance industry which means that all health insurance companies move to say Iowa. So now our national health insurance plan is based off of what Iowa regulations state. If you dont believe me the same thing takes place with the credit card industry. Citibank moved to South Dakota in the 80's and the legislature wrote pro-credit card legislation and credit card companies flooded South dakota. We liberals wouldnt mind a buying across state lines as long as theres some minimum standards associated with it from coverage of conditions to using profits on coverage etc.

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InChristLove 07/03/12 - 06:23 am
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fedex, your comment brings to

fedex, your comment brings to mind....Republicans had a chance and blew it not watch how an administration with vision and compassion moves this country forward.....is like

Republicans see a speeding car and do nothing because as long as nothing gets in the way the speeding car is safe.

Democracts see a speeding car and build a huge massive brick wall to stop the speeding car. For now everything seems okay but soon that car is going to plow into that massive wall and the end result isn't going to be pretty, in fact it's going to be quit deadly.

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OJP 07/03/12 - 12:15 pm
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Do most opponents of this

Do most opponents of this bill STILL not know anything about it other than FOXNews talking points?

The mandate is the biggest gift the government could have given the PRIVATE health insurance market.

We are now all forced to participate in the PRIVATE health insurance market.

This is not a government takeover. Heck the public option didn't even make it as part of the bill.

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Southern Leslie 07/03/12 - 08:28 am
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It is CLEAR that OJP has NO
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It is CLEAR that OJP has NO idea what he/she is talking about. Did you know that you CAN'T keep your insurance under this plan? You will be eventually forced off and can't return. Did you know that you can no longer have tax deferred flex spending? (that's one of the tax increases we were told we wouldn't get) Did you know that medical tech devices will have over a 3% tax now? Did you know that the Medicare that I have payed into my whole life is getting cut $800,000,000,000? It seems to me that knowing "talking points" is better than knowing nothing at all.

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Techfan 07/03/12 - 08:32 am
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I wonder if William is on

I wonder if William is on Medicare?

TParty
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TParty 07/03/12 - 08:41 am
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Here is the GOP Presidential

Here is the GOP Presidential talking about mandates (Taxes).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6DrH6P9OC0&feature=related

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Techfan 07/03/12 - 08:49 am
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Leslie: Look the stuff up on

Leslie: Look the stuff up on various sites. Yes, you can keep your insurance. No, you won't be forced off and can't return, No, Medicare isn't getting cut, it's a figure used in slowing the growth, not a cut. The only thing you got close to right is: Some, repeat some, medical devices will have a 2.3% tax. Class 1 devices are exempt and make up 47% of all medical devices.

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dichotomy 07/03/12 - 09:03 am
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Obamacare will financially

Obamacare will financially break this country. It was MAYBE, BARELY, 50% paid for when passed since the REAL CBO numbers show it will cost twice as much as the LIE that Obama and the Democrats told us it will cost. On top of that, their projected costs were based on the states expanding their Medicaid programs, which may or may not happen since the SCOTUS struck down the provision that allowed the federal government to penalize the states if they did not expand their Medicaid programs. Obamacare was an out of control financial bomb from the night it was hatched in the midnight darkness of the Democrat controlled House and Senate and our budget and our healthcare system will never recover if it is allowed to stand. Some of you might get free healthcare but nobody, even those of us who pay for US and YOU, is going to like what they get and how long it takes them to get it when the full weight of Obamacare crushes the very good healthcare system we have today.

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Techfan 07/03/12 - 09:06 am
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More paying customers always

More paying customers always crushes a business, doesn't it.

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Southern Leslie 07/03/12 - 09:07 am
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Again.....I don't think I
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Again.....I don't think I would put too much stock in what someone says who thinks that a country that possesses all of the material required to build a production reactor has "uranium that they can't use."

http://www.aapsonline.org/index.php/site/article/ads_for_affordable_care...

Southern Leslie
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Southern Leslie 07/03/12 - 09:08 am
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Techfan...how will there be
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Techfan...how will there be more paying customers? The SCOTUS says the government can't force you to buy insurance, so those who choose not to have it will simply pay the cheaper tax. Those who can't afford it, STILL can't afford it. Please explain how there will be more paying customers.

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Southern Leslie 07/03/12 - 09:41 am
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As a matter of fact...since
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As a matter of fact...since businesses who currently provide insurance, can pay the tax at a lower rate, they will and already have started to discontinue covering many employees......Again...explain how there will be more paying customers.

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allhans 07/03/12 - 09:42 am
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TParty..As we have seen with

TParty..As we have seen with Obama, you can't believe much of anything a candidate says.

Show me what a candidate says off camera and I might just buy it, but..nah...

I do believe that Romney with enough support from Congress will make some kind of order out of this chaotic mess.

Southern Leslie
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Southern Leslie 07/03/12 - 09:47 am
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Biggest tax increase in human
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Biggest tax increase in human history.....any defenders?

http://www.atr.org/comprehensive-list-tax-hikes-obamacare-a5758

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allhans 07/03/12 - 09:48 am
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The Obama crowd tells seniors

The Obama crowd tells seniors that this plan will "close the donughnut hole", the gap will close over a period of time but what they didn't tell you is only the medication on "their"
approved list will be paid.
Watchout, seniors,. You have been warned.

Southern Leslie
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Southern Leslie 07/03/12 - 10:29 am
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Still waiting for an
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Still waiting for an explaination on how there will be more paying customers. I doubt I will EVER see that explaination.

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dichotomy 07/03/12 - 11:08 am
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To be more correct, what

To be more correct, what Techfan should have said was that those of us WHO ARE PAYING FOR IT ALL NOW will paying EVEN MORE and the freeloaders will still be riding for free.

The brunt of the cost for this will fall on working lower and middle class people. They are the ones who will be picking up the bill and anyone who believes different needs to hauled in front of a judge for a competency hearing.

Obamacare is not a "rich man's" tax. It is a lower and middle class TAX. Obamacare does not ration health care to the "rich". It rations healthcare to the lower and middle class......and SENIORS.

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Bizkit 07/03/12 - 11:38 am
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Dichotomy is correct-read the

Dichotomy is correct-read the "Obamacare" article on Wikipedia and you will see we still will pay for costly health care and everyones taxes will increase. Now the definition of those who will receive govt assistance has just added millions more to the roles. The poor are generally unhealthy and the cost of pre-existing conditions will bankrupt us. After all remember how progressives have told us how bad our health system is and how unhealthy we all are so logistically it will be very very expensive to assist all these folks-especially with a physician shortage. I noted comments how the Rep didn't address health care when they had a chance but no different with Dems addessing health care while Rome burned economically. Their solution puts us all no better off than before. The whole idea of Obamacare is for it to fail so Obama can create a single payer system. Don't be duped into believing they believe it will work-that isn't the plan-the plan is to promote failure so they can "fundamentally change and transorm" America. He told us that before he came into office of his plans and that he couldn't immediately end the private insurance industry-but definitely that is the goal.

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allhans 07/03/12 - 12:11 pm
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The insurance companies are

The insurance companies are against it. Why? Because they know where it is headed.

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OJP 07/03/12 - 12:37 pm
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@Southern Leslie:

I think Techfan adequately responded to most of your talking points.

Here's an article regarding how much the penalty/tax will cost:

http://www.businessinsider.com/how-much-is-the-obamacare-penalty-tax-2012-7

The average health insurance yearly premium is $2,196. (http://news.ehealthinsurance.com/pr/ehi/how-much-does-health-insurance-2...). According to the Business Insider, that threshold will be crossed by the penalty/tax when you start making more than $100,000 per year.

Above that level of income, it is more expensive to not have insurance (and much, much riskier for your health). It makes zero financial and medical sense to not become a customer of health insurance if you make more than $100,000 per year. There are millions in that income category that currently do not have insurance. Yay for insurance companies!

As for everyone else below that level, some may choose to get insurance, some may not. But I doubt many, if any, people will ditch their health insurance to pay the penalty/tax. Most will keep their higher premium and health coverage. And at some point, you reach an income level where millions of people simply do not have coverage (or cannot afford it). These are also people who probably use the emergency room for health care (which is free and increases the premiums for those with health insurance) and also probably receive large tax refund checks from the federal government. The penalty/tax will cut into that tax refund assuming they choose to take the cheaper route without healthcare, and will help lower the premiums for everyone else.

Bottom line: Millions of people will buy health insurance because it is cheaper to do so (>$100,000 per year). For those below that threshold, they may not become customers of health insurance but they will at the very least cease being an upward force on premiums, and may themselves become customers (if they make the value judgment that health insurance + higher costs is better than no health insurance + lower costs).

Note: Romney, Obama, and congressional Dems want to call it a penalty; congressional Reps want to call it a tax; and the Supreme Court ruled it constitutional as a tax. So at this point, who knows what to call it...

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Conservative Man 07/03/12 - 12:49 pm
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One question for Obamacare lovers

Healthcare is a finite product dictated by how many healthcare professionals available to provide the service. A number which is shrinking daily. How does adding millions of people to the list of those to receive the service, while decreasing those who give the service, increase availability, quality, cost or efficiency. You guys are trying to tell me that the law of supply and demand, something every seventh grader understands doesn't apply here? It tells me that the left is more concerned about getting a win over those "EEVILL" conservatives than it is about actually wanting to fix the problem....

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Bizkit 07/03/12 - 12:54 pm
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I doubt many people making

I doubt many people making over 100K don't have insurance-through work or they can afford it. You would have to be retarded or an idiot.

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InChristLove 07/03/12 - 12:57 pm
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OJP "But I doubt many, if

OJP "But I doubt many, if any, people will ditch their health insurance to pay the penalty/tax"

If the penalty tax is $1,250 (that is 2.5% of 50,000 a year salary) and medical insurance premium is $3,600 a year, which would you pay OJP?? You can pay the $3,600 a year and keep your medical care or you can pay $1,250 and get medical care through the Emergency Room. Which route do you think people will take?? Especially when they see their copay and deductibles go up each year and their monthly premium cost they pay at work going up and up each year.

Southern Leslie
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Southern Leslie 07/03/12 - 01:03 pm
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Still no answer, Tech?
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Still no answer, Tech?

Southern Leslie
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Southern Leslie 07/03/12 - 01:03 pm
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I love how when you state
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I love how when you state facts, and a liberal can't refute them, they call them "talking points."

Southern Leslie
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Southern Leslie 07/03/12 - 01:05 pm
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"Bottom line: Millions of
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"Bottom line: Millions of people will buy health insurance because it is cheaper to do so (>$100,000 per year). "

Funny...if it's cheaper to do so, then why don't they do it now?

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InChristLove 07/03/12 - 01:12 pm
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/r

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2011/12/02/the-bomb-buried-in-obam...

Interesting article on how this is all going to effect the private health industry.....guess little by little we are finding out what is actually in this bill.

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OJP 07/03/12 - 01:27 pm
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@Southern Leslie

... because the penalty/tax does not kick in until 2014.

That's Obamacare 101.

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