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I write in response to David Robinson’s June 24 letter (“Religion, medicine don’t mix”).

I presume that Mr. Robinson’s letter pertains to the Department of Health and Human Services’ mandate requiring employers to pay for health plans that furnish birth control, abortion-inducing drugs and sterilization procedures for their employees, and the Catholic Church’s opposition to it. Let me be clear: This resistance to the mandate isn’t about a woman’s right to use birth control, abortion-inducing drugs or sterilization procedures. This is about the rights of Catholic Americans and all people of faith to follow their consciences.

For the record, Catholics care deeply about freedom. In fact, we are fighting this mandate because it violates our religious freedom. This is about Catholics’ right to refuse to pay for those procedures and drugs they deem immoral.

This mandate would force a Catholic charity, school or hospital – even those that didn’t take a dime in government money – to provide coverage that violates their consciences. That is simply unfair and a violation of the First Amendment, which states clearly that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”

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specsta
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specsta 06/28/12 - 03:06 am
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Which Freedom?

According to the US Census Bureau's population clock, there are 7,022,753,066 people in the world at this moment. That's a lot. Three billion of those people live on less than $2.50 a day. So almost half of the world lies in dire poverty.

Maybe if there were MORE access to birth control methods and MORE sex education, without any social stigma attached to it, life would not be such a cruel taskmaster for those born into a world of diminishing resources.

This issue goes beyond freedom of religion - it is being able to have the freedom to live, without undue suffering.

carcraft
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carcraft 06/28/12 - 05:44 am
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Specsta- Exactly what does

Specsta- Exactly what does your post have to do with America, the Constitution and the Catholic Church in America? Is this just another attempt to change the subject from freedom and liberty to poverty, world hunger and population issues?

Fundamental_Arminian
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Fundamental_Arminian 06/28/12 - 06:09 am
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Religious Freedom Should Prevail

Meg White has written a fine letter. People shouldn't have to pay for any medical treatment that violates their religious beliefs.

Companies that offer group health insurance do so to help employees stay healthy and productive. How do abortion and birth control promote employees' health and well-being? They're less effective than abstinence for preventing sexually transmitted diseases, and STDs can severely hurt employees' work and attendance.

I wish the fortnight rally participants well.

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 06/28/12 - 06:13 am
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spectsa-you act as if

spectsa-you act as if pregancy is a disease..my wife and i never felt that our 4 kids were a diease..unlike real health care issues ...being pregant is 100 percent controllable..no one is denying birth control ...

Techfan
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Techfan 06/28/12 - 06:47 am
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I missed the part about

I missed the part about REQUIRING birth control, abortion-inducing drugs and sterilization procedures.

mikesaul
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mikesaul 06/28/12 - 07:59 am
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I think there should be a line drawn...

and purely ELECTIVE medical products/services, such as cosmetic surgery, abortion, contraceptives, LASIK, etc. should be excluded from any mandated coverage requirements. And for those that will scream, "What about rape victims?", etc...victimization makes such procedures/services no longer ELECTIVE, but necessary decisions, and therefore would not be excluded as such! Additionally, any procedure that would be necessary for the safety/health/life of the individual would be be, by definition, NON-ELECTIVE!

No one in this country should be required, in ANY manner, to pay for or otherwise support any other individual's personal decisions, for good or ill! If you are willing to make a bad decision, you should be willing to accept the consequences! Likewise, if you are willing to make the hard decisions and put forth the extra efforts, you should be more than ALLOWED to enjoy the benefits and fruits of those efforts. In fact, you should be ENCOURAGED to enjoy them, rather than PENALIZED as we are now!

Now, this is not to say that there should not be any insurance coverages for less-than-medically-necessary treatments, only that they should NOT be mandated and compensated in any way by government mandated collections! If you want to purchase insurance that covers LASIK, or contraceptives, etc, feel free to do so, but on YOUR OWN DIME!!! Perhaps that would help reduce the cost of non-elective medical insurance coverages!

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mikesaul 06/28/12 - 08:03 am
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Oh, and Specsta...there is

Oh, and Specsta...there is more than ample access to "access to birth control methods and ... sex education", and most of it is currently already FREE! The problem is that most of the clamor over this issue involves one particular aspect...taking care of the situation AFTER THE FACT, after the individual should have thought about it, already!

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southernguy08 06/28/12 - 08:22 am
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SPECSTA
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So, because a child will be born into poverty, the "birth mother" should have the right to abort it? Catholics believe that ALL life is precious. Liberals reduce a life in a woman's womb by referring to it as a "fetus." The Nazis did the same thing to our Jewish brothers in WW2 by associating them with rats. This made is all the more acceptable to round them up into camps and gas them. BTW, you can bet your hat and butt that this president sure wouldn't do anything that offends Muslims.

Techfan
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Techfan 06/28/12 - 08:24 am
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To heck with that new hip.

To heck with that new hip. You can walk with a cane. Sorry you ate so many Big Macs, no PTCA for you. Man, it was your personal decision to purchase a car and drive over the speed limit, your legs and arms will heal on there own. You may have a limp, but it was your personal decision.

Techfan
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Techfan 06/28/12 - 08:27 am
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Suck it up with those

Suck it up with those horrible cramps during that time of the month, no birth control pills for you.

justthefacts
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justthefacts 06/28/12 - 08:45 am
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cramps?

Drink more water.

ultrarnr
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ultrarnr 06/28/12 - 08:53 am
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Freedom
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What about freedom from the dictates of the Catholic church like mysogeny and pedophilia. The Catholic church is anti women exemplified by the lack of female priests and their medieval attitudes toward birth control.

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crkgrdn 06/28/12 - 09:06 am
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Meg, thanks

What a clearly stated letter on this issue. We are not saying that we want to deny you access to birth control pills and abortions, people of faith do not want to violate their faith by providing these measures through faith-based hospitals and clinics. Planned Parenthood will continue to be there to foster the culture of death.

In addition, I find it disgusting that Malthus' forecast, despite the evidence, continues to be championed. When discussing right to life and sanctity of life issues, I find that those who argue against life are left speechless when asked if they wish they had been aborted by parents whose concern was overpopulation.

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Bizkit 06/28/12 - 09:08 am
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Reproductive freedom or slavery

People are so naive as the govt dupe women into some idea of reproductive freedom that the govt will protect AND REGULATE. So as Specsta muses about the population he is probably correct but the govts intention is to one day control reproduction-no different than China. Nothing comes for free. The govt controlling abortion and birth control will work well in population control-number of children and gender will likely be regulated too. This is a no brainer as this rep freedom is just rhetoric because what is at issue is the direct constitutional protected right of religious freedom and likely all the SCOTUS would rule for Catholics. There is nothing in the constitution about reproduction-and abortion is only a right to privacy as each state can regulated abortion-esp. in regard to third trimester. The SCOTUS would have to rule in favor of catholics because the constitution doesn't address womens access to birth control.

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burninater 06/28/12 - 09:29 am
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Sorry, I don't buy the

Sorry, I don't buy the argument that this is an issue of religious freedom.

It is not their rights as a believer that are at issue, it is their rights as an EMPLOYER. As soon as they create a public institution, serving the general public, and employing believers and non-believers alike, they are no longer a "Catholic" institution. They are a secular institution with a Catholic administration.

Southern Leslie
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Southern Leslie 06/28/12 - 09:41 am
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NO ONE, I repeat NO ONE is
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NO ONE, I repeat NO ONE is being denied birth control. This is a liberal red herring. They are equating FREE birth control with the only birth control you can get. Free birth control is NOT a right.

Food is necessary for good health....should the government provide everyone food free of charge? Or are they "denying access" to food by not paying for it?

Southern Leslie
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Southern Leslie 06/28/12 - 09:36 am
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Hey Techfan....is today the
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Hey Techfan....is today the day you finally answer the question about uranium in Iraq......just wondering.

Southern Leslie
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Southern Leslie 06/28/12 - 09:39 am
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ultrarnr. You have 100%
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ultrarnr. You have 100% freedom from anything the catholic church does. You can either not go to their church, or not work for them. What's the mystery?

Southern Leslie
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Southern Leslie 06/28/12 - 09:49 am
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Personally I don't think
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Personally I don't think there should be ANY mandatory coverage. Let the free market work.

john
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john 06/28/12 - 09:50 am
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Freedom

ultra, you also have the freedom not to be Catholic if you feel that way. what a country. The church teaches that families should be open to life. If you dont want to have a child, its not that hard not to. Its no mistery how children are created. Not all Catholics are on board with this teaching, but that doesnt mean the government should force the church to subsidize birth control because of that fact. You want birth control? take some responsibility for your life and pay for it. Find a job that has a insurance plan that includes your free stuff. there are lots of options.

Southern Leslie
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Southern Leslie 06/28/12 - 10:02 am
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I was unaware that the
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I was unaware that the dictates of the Catholic Church had to be followed by everyone....as ultrarnr suggests.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 06/28/12 - 10:06 am
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It is a catholic institution

It is a catholic institution that has administrative and financial responsibilities as any busniess. But like medicine the business aspect doesn't negate the ultimate issue and responsibilites of health care nor would the business aspects of the church negate the ultimate issue of faith.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 06/28/12 - 10:58 am
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Yeah the SCOTUS ruled that

Yeah the SCOTUS ruled that Congress can't mandate healthcare under the commerce clause, but now poor and middle class people will be "taxed" as a penalty. This is great because freedom is preserved, and this may backfire and kill Obama's re-election (because Obamacare is still toxic and people may vote him out in hopes of killing Obamacare. In any case, the more Obamacare is enacted the more it becomes unpopular, health care cost are still rising,the issue of physician resistance and the lack of physicians (as more will retire more quickly and fewer go into medicine) has now been amplified (no physicians will be taking medicaid in another year so the poor will suffer), and now the Dems have instantly raised a tax against anyone who doesn't have healthcare-mostly poor and middle class folks. Once again the poor will be shuffled with little aid. It will be ironic that Obama's seminal work will cost him the election. I don't worry about Obamacare because it is a poor law that will die the death of other poor laws in the past-just a matter of time.

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Techfan 06/28/12 - 12:30 pm
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The if uranium? If I had a

The if uranium? If I had a rocket I could go to the moon. I don't, therefore, I can't. Same with the uranium. Please try to stay on topic. Isn't that part of the comment policy? Sorry, I had to violate it to answer your question.

Southern Leslie
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Southern Leslie 06/28/12 - 12:50 pm
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Techfan....in order to build
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Techfan....in order to build a reactor you have to FIRST have uranium. So if you have uranium, you CAN use it. YOU said that they couldn't use it. You were simply wrong, but unable or unwilling to admit it.

If you have a rocket capable of going to the moon, then YES you can go to the moon. If you have uranium capable of running a reactor, then YES you can build a reactor. Iraq had tons of uranium, THAT is a fact. Therefore the next step for them would to be to assemble it into a production reactor with a heavy moderator and voila......Pu-239. Only one step away.

FYI....making unfounded statements such as "they had uranium that they couldn't use" is also a violation of the comments policy, so you can appologize for THAT violation as well.

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harley_52 06/28/12 - 02:43 pm
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Well Done....

Excellent letter, Ms.White.

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 06/28/12 - 02:55 pm
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Mandated Coverage

Ms. White's letter said:

I presume that Mr. Robinson’s letter pertains to the Department of Health and Human Services’ mandate requiring employers to pay for health plans that furnish birth control, abortion-inducing drugs and sterilization procedures for their employees, and the Catholic Church’s opposition to it.

Then Techfan said:

I missed the part about REQUIRING birth control, abortion-inducing drugs and sterilization procedures.

That's what a good deal of the debate is about. The HHS department has the authority under PP&ACA to mandate required insurance coverage.

Southern Leslie
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Southern Leslie 06/28/12 - 02:58 pm
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Little lamb
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That poster has a habbit of ignoring facts that contradict pre-conceived notions.

Fundamental_Arminian
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Fundamental_Arminian 06/28/12 - 04:26 pm
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Employers shouldn't have to forfeit their religious freedom

    Sorry, I don't buy the argument that this is an issue of religious freedom.

    It is not their rights as a believer that are at issue, it is their rights as an EMPLOYER. As soon as they create a public institution, serving the general public, and employing believers and non-believers alike, they are no longer a "Catholic" institution. They are a secular institution with a Catholic administration(burninater).

Burninater, your argument reminds me of Revelation 13:16-17, which predicts a time when having the mark of the beast will be required of everyone who wishes to buy and sell. In other words, it will be impossible to run a business without sinning.

People shouldn't have to forfeit their religious freedom in order to become an employee or employer. Obamacare might have easily passed if the administration and Congress hadn't forced employers to offer insurance coverage for abortions and birth control. Apparently our president owed a favor to the abortion lobbyists.

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allhans 06/28/12 - 04:45 pm
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Birth control by gender or

Birth control by gender or race has been used in other countries. It's not unreal to imagine it here.

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