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Accolades to David Didimamoff for his May 28 letter “(Opposition to Obama obvious”). I’d like to include two more substantive issues, adding to our opposition.

America has experienced unprecedented average annual unemployment of 14.3 million over three years. Significant improvement in 2012 is not expected. Of the czars Didimamoff referenced, many of their credentials indicate a radical anti-business activist, a liberal activist judge, former ACORN member and – the most disturbing – a Communist Party member.

As Didimamoff stated, people are not against this president because of his color. It has absolutely nothing to do with black, white, Democrat, Republican, Tea Party, man or woman. It’s about America! It’s about the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.’s dream and living in a nation of liberties and freedoms – where one will not be judged by the color of one’s skin, but by the content of one’s character. Never has God, America and the office of president been so violated, disrespected and disgraced, as over the past four years.

When will Americans realize America’s foundational fabric is being ripped apart?

Do you care? If you don’t, I suggest you start!

When will “we the people” boldly step up, defend America’s integrity and together say “enough is enough”?

Heed George Washington’s and Chief Justice John Jay’s prophetic warnings :

Jay: “Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers; and it is the duty, as well as, the privilege of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.”

Washington: “The propitious smiles of heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right, which heaven itself hath ordained.”

Washington again: “Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports.”

America has blatantly disregarded, defied and mocked God, the above honorable Americans, their guidance and wisdom. Americans must choose (1) stand up with the Lord of Heaven’s armies; defend God and America or (2) as with Israel in Isaiah 9 and 10, the Lord’s fist is still poised to strike. So shall the Lord’s fist, anger and judgment strike America.

William “Bill” Thweatt

North Augusta, S.C.

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burninater
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burninater 06/12/12 - 02:52 pm
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I attribute the Chinese

I attribute the Chinese economic success to their traditional Christian values.

corgimom
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corgimom 06/12/12 - 02:59 pm
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America has endured many

America has endured many economic crises before. To suggest that it's because we have "turned away" from Christian values is just ludicrous. So what was the causes of the recessions and depressions before this one?

Too many people borrowed too much money that they can't pay back- and that includes Christians, too. This economic depression was needed. Credit became an expected right instead of a privilege, and too many people were financing lifestyles that they could not afford, by buying fancy cars, homes, and buying luxury goods - all on borrowed money.

People carry outrageous balances of thousands of dollars on their credit cards, and for what? Vacations, restaurant meals, clothes that they don't need, and other junk. While there's nothing wrong with those things- if you can afford them- too many people couldn't.

And that's where the problem lies, not with the President, not from "turning away from Christian values". People did this to themselves.

howcanweknow
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howcanweknow 06/12/12 - 03:19 pm
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just an observation

Hey, I didn't say our current prolonged downturn was all due to turning away from our Christian values. Certainly, it's multifactorial.

But, it's very hard to deny that our society as a whole has over the past 50 years or so been very determined to move away from traditional Christian values. It's also very hard to deny that our economy is worse off today and getting "worser and worser" the further we move away from those very same values as a culture.

Cause and effect? Who knows... can't say for sure. But, the association (inverse correlation, really) is remarkable. Out with faith and the traditional nuclear family, in with more drugs, crime, abortions, gangs, etc. That's what's happened. Curious, isn't it?

burninater
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burninater 06/12/12 - 03:34 pm
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Howcan, why is it then that

Howcan, why is it then that some of the most Christian parts of both Europe (Italy, Spain, Portugal, Ireland, Greece) and the U.S. (deep South, Midwest) have perpetually had poorer economies than their less religious counterparts (England, Germany, France, Sweden, Norway on the one hand, California and the Northeast on the other)?

burninater
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burninater 06/12/12 - 03:57 pm
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And if you consider annual

And if you consider annual income to be an indicater of economic success, in America the religious breakdown from average highest earner to average lowest earner by religion is as follows:

1) Hindu
2) Jewish
3) Orthodox
4) Buddhist
5) Mainline Protestant
6) Mormon
7) Unaffiliated
8) Catholic
9) Evangelical Protestant
10) Muslim
11) Historically black Protestant

Data from 2009, http://www.pewforum.org/Income-Distribution-Within-US-Religious-Groups.aspx

howcanweknow
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howcanweknow 06/12/12 - 04:30 pm
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Burni, I wasn't trying to

Burni, I wasn't trying to prove any point. There are many factors, as stated above. But, there is an interesting correlation here.

Last thing I want to do is say that Christianity always brings prosperity. I don't believe that for a minute.

I wanted to point out that America became the greatest nation, maybe in all of history, because of our self-initiative, capitalism, industry, work ethic, education, and economy. All this correlated nicely with our acceptance and honor of traditional Christian values. Starting about 50 years ago, we began steadily moving away from these values, and we also started declining as a nation in many of these aspects which were our former strengths. The timing was very curious, for sure. And, economy is just one aspect.

Faithson stated the opinion that Christian principles were a cause of our current economic problems. I think our history shows just the opposite; that our current economic problems have occurred in parallel to our decline in acceptance of Christian values.

Again, I never meant to say that Christianity always brings prosperity (although some do indeed preach that today). But, I do believe the Bible where it says that God will bless any nation that honors and obeys Him. America does that less and less now, and curiously, we're sure having a lot of problems and issues facing us with no clear solutions in sight.

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burninater 06/12/12 - 05:05 pm
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Howcan, I don't mean to make

Howcan, I don't mean to make the case that Christian values diminish American prosperity. I believe that it is diversity of thought and attention to factual bases that makes this country great. We try a lot of different approaches, and we pay attention to what types of results they have, and this is what allows us to achieve success.

There is, however, an ongoing claim exemplified by this letter, that non-Christian elements ARE causing the downfall of America. I am only seeking to show that, from an economic standpoint, and by association the social factors that contribute to a country's economic prosperity, this claim doesn't bear up to the facts.

I don't seek to tear down Christians, I merely seek to show that the tearing-down of non-Christians does not seem to be justified.

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owensjef3 06/12/12 - 06:05 pm
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How do I get 8 thumbs down
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How do I get 8 thumbs down just for saying What, Geez

CobaltGeorge
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CobaltGeorge 06/12/12 - 08:20 pm
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owensjef3

Very simple, there are some on here that will give you a thumbs down no matter what you say. They see you user name and what you stand for and that is all it takes.

Heck, look at my first post of the day on R&R. 7 downers for saying "Good Morning America"

Don't let them rattle you, just speak your piece.

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fedex227 06/12/12 - 10:47 pm
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Man oh man, I thought the AC
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Man oh man, I thought the AC was on a roll posting insightful and thought-provoking LTE's ... I guess this one seemed too good to pass up.

"When will Americans realize America’s foundational fabric is being ripped apart?"

To the writer (and that all inspiring ACE staff), all I can say is (and I didn't think I'd ever hear myself say this) ... You know what, if you don't like it pal; take a hike; go live somewhere else if you're that unhappy . We'll get along fine without you. Go live someplace where you can revel in the satisfaction that only the election of someone other than our current President will finally set you free.

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specsta 06/12/12 - 10:56 pm
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Real Judgement

Mr. Thweatt wrote - "Americans must choose (1) stand up with the Lord of Heaven’s armies; defend God and America or (2) as with Israel in Isaiah 9 and 10, the Lord’s fist is still poised to strike. So shall the Lord’s fist, anger and judgment strike America."

Maybe you should read Isaiah 10 yourself - if there is any judgement coming on the US, it is because of the way folks have treated the poor, the elderly, the homeless and the sick. Maybe it's because of the way this country loves the rich and hates the poor. Maybe it's because we always have money to kill people in other countries and we always have money to imprison people - but no money to help, I mean really help, those who are suffering and struggling in this country.

God's judgement won't have anything to do with what the Religious Right thinks; it will have to do with how we have treated the least fortunate folks in this country.

Isaiah 10:1-4
Woe to those who make unjust laws,
to those who issue oppressive decrees,
2 to deprive the poor of their rights
and withhold justice from the oppressed of my people,
making widows their prey
and robbing the fatherless.
3 What will you do on the day of reckoning,
when disaster comes from afar?
To whom will you run for help?
Where will you leave your riches?
4 Nothing will remain but to cringe among the captives
or fall among the slain.

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KSL 06/12/12 - 11:03 pm
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I wouldnt be so quick to be

I wouldnt be so quick to be inviting productive members of society to leave. It gets to be problematic when there are not enough working to spport the non working or those not paying their fair share.

Spec, I don't know planet you are living in. The poor in America have about the same lifestyle as many workers in Europe.

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Iwannakno 06/13/12 - 09:43 pm
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Are you serious?
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If God hasn't struck down Christians for the way they have treated people though history i think America is pretty safe.

howcanweknow
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howcanweknow 06/14/12 - 03:53 pm
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Uh, Specsta, you do know that

Uh, Specsta, you do know that the context of the verses you quoted places them referring directly to the ancient Hebrew people, and not really to church-age Christians, don't you?

The only judgment the New Testament guarantees is for those who reject Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.

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