We must stand firm on values

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Liberals always speak of global views, but they don’t ever say what their real intentions are. They have been working toward their goal of imposing a complete secular society in the United States for years.

As far back as the 1940s, globalists have been preparing our next generation for “world citizenship.” They insist on trying to erode religion and patriotism within our society. They want to eliminate free speech through intimidation – condemning any who disagree with their policies. Each day seems to bring to light another instance of liberals trying to silence conservative views.

There is an often-repeated saying, misattributed to Joseph Stalin: “America is like a healthy body and its resistance is threefold: its patriotism, its morality and its spiritual life. If we can undermine these three areas, America will collapse from within.”

Keep those words in mind when you hear or see stories in the news about someone trying to deny an American from flying our flag, or the beauty pageant contestant who got berated for stating she believed marriage should be between a man and a woman. Let’s not forget our own president dropping the word “creator” from his quotes of the Declaration of Independence.

We must speak up and stand firm in our beliefs and values. Now, more than ever before, we are faced with those who wish to remove our right to speak freely.

Rhene Price

Thomson

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specsta
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specsta 06/07/12 - 02:18 am
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What religious conservatives

What religious conservatives are experiencing is simple blowback.

When conservatives are shooting off at the mouth about their "values" and those very same "values" disenfranchise and demonize a whole section of humanity who don't share their beliefs, folks get tired of the rhetoric.

When folks hear a pastor talking about rounding up gay individuals and sticking them behind electrified fences in concentration camps to die off or a world-renowned pastor telling all atheists to leave the country and that AIDS research promotes a sinful lifestyle - folks with any sense already know that most conservatives are just one step away from Nutville.

How many ways can conservatives talk about abortion, gays, "sanctity of marriage", guns, welfare, food stamps, porn, health care, immigration and the Ten Commandments on every corner? Who wants to hear that tripe all the time? If anyone is against freedom and the right to be left alone, it's the conservatives.

There is this morbid fascination with folks' private bedroom activities and an agenda for making the poor invisible that permeates every tired argument conservatives make.

Liberals are not trying to tell folks what they must do in the bedroom, or who they must marry or who they must worship. It is the religious conservatives who try to squelch freedom for individuals and force everyone to believe as they believe.

And that is wrong.

burninater
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burninater 06/07/12 - 03:39 am
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It is a bald-faced lie that

It is a bald-faced lie that free speech is being eliminated.

In fact, it's stronger now than it's ever been -- and that's what the religious Right can't stand. It used to be so much easier to control people's behavior when you could just wave your God wand around and people were afraid to speak their own minds.

The letter writer is a bit confused about the difference between being able to speak freely and being free from question or criticism.

Techfan
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Techfan 06/07/12 - 05:51 am
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And yet you get your LTE

And yet you get your LTE printed with no problem. Looks like free speech (or print) to me.

Craig Spinks
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Craig Spinks 06/07/12 - 06:20 am
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Values

The basic values upon which a free people must agree to live peacefully and justly with one another are the basic moral virtues including, but not limited to, honesty, integrity, self-respect, and respect for others, to name but four.

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 06/07/12 - 06:22 am
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specsta. the absense of

specsta. the absense of morals and structure in a society is chaos..we are nearing that point..freedom always has personal restraint..the libs dont believe that except for restrictions on conservatives...absolute freedom is a fantasy...we are paying for generation that have never had a job. deviant behaviour .the list is endless...compassion is wanting whats right for a person..not allowing that person to live out every fantasy..

howcanweknow
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howcanweknow 06/07/12 - 08:59 am
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let them rant

Funny, isn't it, when the real truth is stated those who can't stand the truth fall all over themselves trying to criticize the truth-bearers.

Thanks, Rhene. The responses here just bolster your argument.

howcanweknow
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howcanweknow 06/07/12 - 09:02 am
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"How many ways can

"How many ways can conservatives talk about abortion, gays, "sanctity of marriage", guns, welfare, food stamps, porn, health care, immigration and the Ten Commandments on every corner? Who wants to hear that tripe all the time?"

The Ten Commandments are tripe, huh? Which one, specifically, are you referring to?

How do you discredit the words of a liberal? Simply let them speak on. Give them a voice, and they'll eventually expose the ridiculous nature of their agenda.

rmwhitley
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rmwhitley 06/07/12 - 09:14 am
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The absence
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of morals and values is the basis for the democratic party.

southernguy08
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southernguy08 06/07/12 - 09:20 am
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LIBERALS AND FREE SPEECH
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Liberals love free speech, when its their turn to speak. When its someone with an opposing view, like those on talk radio, they try to get practices like the "Fairness Doctrine" rammed through.

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Bizkit 06/07/12 - 09:52 am
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Dont' talk about freedom and

Dont' talk about freedom and then try to silence conservatives for their beliefs. True freedom would be allowing the ten commandments, gay marriage, dishonesty and honesty, integrity or a lack of integrity, and no respect for other opinions if you so chose. But realize that no matter how much you dislike a voice you must allow theirs so you can have yours. So its great to voice a dislike as long as you appreciate the other voice has just as much right. You can all believe you are correct. Freedom recognizes all values-even the ones you don't.

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Retired Army 06/07/12 - 10:50 am
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techfan writes: "And yet you

techfan writes: "And yet you get your LTE printed with no problem. Looks like free speech (or print) to me."

Actually it sounds more like free religious propaganda to me.

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Willow Bailey 06/07/12 - 10:55 am
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Yes, bizkit, the message

Yes, bizkit, the message is I want my freedom, but you are not getting yours. That was Hitler's message and it came full blown after he silenced the church. I doubt even Specsta really wants what he/she keeps begging for.

Good letter, Rhene.

Willow Bailey
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Willow Bailey 06/07/12 - 11:09 am
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I'll Take The Religion Bait...

RA, I must be missing something, please quote where this letter writer tries to cram any religion down someone's throat?

DMPerryJr
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DMPerryJr 06/07/12 - 11:15 am
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Which Church?

My church is rocking and rolling. Spreading the gospel. Helping the poor and disadvantaged and educating children. I spent yesterday evening having a few beers and talking about the Bible with a couple of local police. Must have spent 2 hours talking about how thankful we are to have it so good.
As I left, it occurred to me that neither of the other two men, after sweating it out all day on the hot streets of a crime ridden area, never expressed any kind of cynicism, contempt for liberals or otherwise indicated aught against society.
Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.

howcanweknow
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howcanweknow 06/07/12 - 11:31 am
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I certainly have no contempt

I certainly have no contempt for liberals, or anyone else for that matter. But, I do find many leftist/liberal ideas (e.g., big spending without concern for deficits; wealth spreading to reinforce personal non-productivity) to be very disturbing. Look to Greece. There's our future if we don't readjust course and stop spending more than we have. Liberal/socialist ideas just do not work.

howcanweknow
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howcanweknow 06/07/12 - 01:22 pm
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Big Ten

Yeah, upon further review, I think I can see why liberals like Specsta hate the 10 Commandments. Think about it:

Don't covet...... OK, rules out wealth envy right there.

Don't steal...... So much for spreading the wealth around demanding more entitlements.

Don't murder...... forget Abortion

Don't commit adultery....... oops. Bill Clinton, Jesse Jackson, and John Edwards seem to have forgotten about this one. (from what I've read, JFK maybe forgot this commandment on more than one occasion too.)

Don't lie.... "I did not have sex with that woman." "We're giving all this money to Solyndra so it will increase jobs and stimulate the economy." "My views on the definition of marriage have evolved."

Have no other gods but God..... Hey, every god is OK. It's all about tolerance man, not truth.

That's not an all-inclusive list obviously, but the point is pretty clear. I know all politicians flaunt the commandments. Wrongdoing knows no party lines. But, our liberal friends sure do have a propensity for violating these rules, don't they?

No wonder some consider the Commands "tripe". If you can't join 'em, beat 'em. Common tactic to avoid responsibility for one's actions.

burninater
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burninater 06/07/12 - 12:13 pm
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"In May of 1919, at

"In May of 1919, at Dusseldorf, Germany, the Allied Forces obtained a copy of some of the “Communist Rules for Revolution.” "

Soapy, you of all people should have your "being manipulated" radar turned on high. A secret Communist document exists -- even though an original was NEVER found, and no historical record of the actual finding exists -- and it mirrors EXACTLY an NRA talking point (item C)?

One can smell the stink from this one even through the interwebs.

Willow Bailey
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Willow Bailey 06/07/12 - 12:18 pm
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Burn , one factual matter

Burn , one factual matter you can't spin or dispute is the process of Hitler's rise to power and destruction.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 06/07/12 - 12:30 pm
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Tech & Retired Army Tech

Tech & Retired Army

Tech regarding your 5:51 am post. Ms. Price stated: "They want to eliminate free speech through intimidation – condemning any who disagree with their policies" indicates something that is in progress, not something that is current." So yes, the letter was printed (for now). She is warning that this might not always be.

Retired Army, I read the letter several times after your accusation at 10:50am so that I might have a more open mind and read it the way you did. I still fail to see where you came to the conclusion that this letter is religious propaganda. Three sentences referred to religion or should I say religious viewpoints.

1. "They insist on trying to erode religion and patriotism within our society." I fail to see any promotion of religion or propaganda.

2. "Let’s not forget our own president dropping the word “creator” from his quotes of the Declaration of Independence." Factual statement that isn't promoting a religion or propaganda.

3. “America is like a healthy body and its resistance is threefold: its patriotism, its morality and its spiritual life. " Still not promotion or propaganda.

So, I believe it's like WB stated, throwing out religious bait. Only problem is the bait falls into the water because it has no substance.

burninater
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burninater 06/07/12 - 12:30 pm
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Sure can't Willow. And if

Sure can't Willow. And if someone can't tell the difference between post-WWI Germany and 21st century America, I'm not sure that any amount of history lessons are going to help them.

Iwannakno
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Iwannakno 06/07/12 - 12:32 pm
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Respect
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I respect anyone's right to practice whatever religion they want. I don't practice any because I believe it's all hocus pocus. That doesn't make me bad or immoral. One doesn't need religion to be moral and just because one practices a religion doesn't make them moral. I can stand in a garage but it doesn't make me a car. Just as when someone stands in a church doesn't make them automatically moral...

burninater
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burninater 06/07/12 - 12:41 pm
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Besides, Willow, the one

Besides, Willow, the one ideologic leader on record (Southern Baptist) with wanting to round certain Americans up into camps where they should be left to die off (homosexuals) ... isn't actually in power, and I guarantee never will be. So as long as ideological extremists like that are kept in the fringe, I'm not so concerned that a new Hitler will come to lead America. Our current Presidential election will produce one of two moderates, as all the elections of pretty much the entire 20th century have done before this one. As much as some people think Americans are Nazis looking for their next Fuhrer, most people have a strong appreciation for their country and fellow citizens and can recognize the pure nonsense of these Nazi Germany comparisons.

DMPerryJr
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DMPerryJr 06/07/12 - 12:49 pm
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I Will Pray

for all of you who are losing everything to the liberal ideas. Ideas are scary.

Willow Bailey
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Willow Bailey 06/07/12 - 12:58 pm
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The letter writer has not

The letter writer has not spoken even a word regarding religion.
What she has mentioned is the word spritual which tends to put many in the mind set of religion. Religion makes many think of rules they can't understand or keep. It makes them angry and rightfully so.

We are all created with a physical, intellectual, emotional and sprititual body. We know by our own experience that we are searching for something more meaningful in our lives than daily existence.

One of the greatest problems that hinders meaningful discussions is the inability to understand the difference between religion and spiritual matters. Third world countries get it better. Men in foxholes get it too.

Willow Bailey
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Willow Bailey 06/07/12 - 01:13 pm
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Burn, everyone who says they

Burn, everyone who says they are of God does not belong to Him. You are intelligent, test it, see if it lines up with the gospel of Christ. If it doesn't throw it out. And that also goes for those who are of God. I love my Pastor, but I am weighing his words against what I understand from my own revelation, reading and experiences.

The earthly church is just made up of humans, I 'm not going to allow anyone to block my way to a heavenly redeemer. My faith is in Christ, not anything, anyone or faith in faith.

God loves his people, homosexuals, liars, murders, adullters..every one of us. There is only one sin that leads to death.

Stercus accidit
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Stercus accidit 06/07/12 - 01:36 pm
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Which is more important?

Which is more important? Enforcing morality? Or, ensuring freedom?

What if the ideas of morality being enforced are not your ideas of morality, but the ideas of morality of others? Remember, morality is a highly subjective concept and morals are chosen by individuals. But, to enforce them requires consensus - or, government mandate (e.g. China enforces the government's ideas of morality, and not the people's ideas of morality). And, what if enforcing the ideas of morality meant that your personal freedoms were restricted?

Of course, conversely, consider whether you would want to live in a society where everyone was free to do anything they chose, regardless of whether it was moral, or not (basically, anarchy). I realize that there must be some balance struck between enforcing morality and ensuring freedom. But, the question is, which is more important? Enforcing morality? Or, ensuring freedom? When you walk into a voting booth, are you more focused on enforcing morality with your vote or ensuring freedom with your vote? Would you prefer the laws be structured such as to place greater emphasis on enforcing morality or ensuring freedom?

It is my belief that morality boils down to one common theme: does the action or behavior cause significant harm to another living being? If the answer is "no," then the action or behavior is not immoral. Ensuring freedom requires defending this philosophy against the cretins in our society who define morality as anything that offends their sensibilities regardless if there is any actual harm done.

For example, homosexuality between two consenting adults is a moral act...no one is harmed.(No Bible quotes please...just don't even go there....I know your Bible than you. Trust me) Just because the guy living next door thinks it's "gross" doesn't entitle him to ban it for everyone else because he and his obtuse faith deem it "immoral."

Another good example is drug prohibition. How is someone sitting in their living room smoking a joint while watching Nick At Nite harming you? Are they harming you anymore then say...the guy whose having a couple of beers in his home at that exact moment?

If you're enforcing morality, it really isn't morality, just obedience. Morality implies good will, caring for the community you live in, and doing these things out of a kind heart. You see value in it. Being obedient, because you're being forced to, does nothing to change one's heart or foster the valuing of virtues and peace.

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burninater 06/07/12 - 01:42 pm
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Willow, I am not claiming

Willow, I am not claiming that religiosity implies a person has a like mind with the now notorious NC minister I referenced, and I in no way intended to say that you shared those views.

What I AM claiming is that these claims of Nazi-esque attitudes are being directed at the wrong sorts of behavior. Our national politics are as messy as they always have been, and that is exactly how our gov't was designed. One group trying to get what they want, while others oppose, and with things being sent on to the Supreme Court to have their Constitutionality tested, is what America has ALWAYS been. Nothing is different in that respect today, and pulling the Nazi card to try to claim this process IS different just shows scorn for American institutions. So, if these people want to tear down our institutions, with what exactly do they seek to replace them? The scorn for American institutions, and the accompanying calls by some for radical overthrow of those institutions, should be the things triggering your Nazi radar.

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harley_52 06/07/12 - 01:42 pm
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A Superb Letter....

from Ms. Price. Her words and her logic are unassailable. That is unassailable by any reasonable, honest observer. Religion (especially Christianity) has been under assault from the American left for more than four decades as has been the family. The American left has led an all out assault on personal responsibility and personal achievement among our citizenry instead instilling and inculcating into the lower economic classes a mentality of entitlement from, and a sense of being cheated by, American citizens who finance their standard of living.

Now the American left pushes us further toward anarchy, bankruptcy, and ultimately chaos in hopes socialism and communism will result. If we don't turn it around we're doomed.

It certainly doesn't surprise me the denials, excuses, falsehoods the lefties bring forth to "refute" Ms. Price's excellent letter.

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harley_52 06/07/12 - 01:48 pm
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What have American churches

What have American churches (particularly Christians) done to injure citizens, stifle their personal or economic growth, keep them in poverty and dependence on other taxpayers, or instill in them a resentment towards people who pay taxes or contribute their money to the churches they attend?

Who should we fear more.....churches, or the anti-church, anti-family, anti-military, anti-capitalism, anti-American political left?

howcanweknow
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howcanweknow 06/07/12 - 02:03 pm
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Stercus writes

"It is my belief that morality boils down to one common theme: does the action or behavior cause significant harm to another living being?"

So, you'd then consider abortion an immoral act?

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