Who's owed an apology?

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I read with great amusement the May 28 letter from Kevin Palmer (“President owed an apology”).

His letter contends that President Obama’s reversal on the gay marriage issue is “evolution,” while conservatives hate the poor, children, the unintelligent and the unsuccessful. It seems he left out of his liberal talking points hatred for the elderly, minorities, homosexuals, etc. He went on to make Rush Limbaugh the poster child for all of this hate mentioned above, while never giving any facts to back up his claims.

His letter is a case study in the liberal mind-set. Liberals never let facts interfere with making their emotional point. Liberals accuse those with differing opinions of being “hateful.” I am not defending Mr. Limbaugh, as he is fully capable of defending himself. But Mr. Palmer stated Mr. Limbaugh was uncharitable and despises the unsuccessful and the poor, as do all conservatives.

Let’s take a look at the facts: Mr. Limbaugh was the 10th most charitable celebrity in 2008, giving $4.2 million in financial assistance to the children of Marines and law-enforcement officers killed in the line of duty; $ 109,716 to individuals in need of assistance because of family illness; $52,898 to families in need; $ 35,000 to Alzheimer’s causes; $40,951 for day-care centers; and the list goes on. Conservatives give on average 30 percent more to charity than liberals, while liberals have higher average incomes.

Now, let’s look at Mr. Palmer’s “evolving” hero, President Obama. Mr. Obama gave less than 1 percent to charity from 2000 to 2004 compared to Mitt Romney’s 15 percent and John McCain’s 18 percent.

How about Vice President Joe Biden? The Bidens reported giving $995 in charitable donations in 2007 – about 0.3 percent of their income and the highest amount in the past decade. The low was $120 in 1999, about 0.1 percent of yearly income.

I think you get the point – liberals want to be charitable with other people’s money and not their own. The most “uncharitable” act against the poor and children would have to be abortion, which is wholeheartedly supported by most liberals.

Of almost everything Mr. Palmer states in his letter, the opposite is true – even the reason President Obama changed his mind on same-sex marriage. The reason he changed his mind was money.

Maybe it’s we conservatives who are owed an apology.

Robert Sheffer

North Augusta, S.C.

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peace4784
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peace4784 05/30/12 - 06:06 am
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Gangsters and Drug Lords give to Charity
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The LTE in his attempt to impeach Mr. Palmer's LTE. Gansters, pimps, drugs, wealthy chlid molesters, and wealthy drug abuser give give handsomely to charity. Mr. Palmer said conservatives beliefs are no different from athiest which is absolutely correct. Beer manufacturers give to charity, but still peddle their toxic product which harms and kills humans. The same with ciragette manufacturers, which are own by mostly conservatives. Nice try letter writer.

skeptic griggsy
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skeptic griggsy 05/30/12 - 06:13 am
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Reality
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Were charity enough, then we wouldn't need our Nanny State! Charity cannot handle unemployment, food and other matters for the needy. Ti's nice that those people donate to charity, and the others could do so too. Ti's not others' money : it is the taxpayers for their contribution to the General Welfare and the military and so forth. V.P. Biden is a big taxpayer who is willing to pay more [ No, he and Mr. Buffett on their own don't have to pay more.].
The Nanny State upholds the regulated,free market: it is stimulative!
Under Pres. Eisenhower at ninety percent tax rate, we made progress! Pres. Kennedy's tax cut hardly had any effect! Supply-side is just woo! Demand counts greatly, and that is why Pres. Roosevelt should have had a bigger stimulus plan; the war was big spending, but production for war is not as stimulative as civilian projects.
High taxation is hardly theft: people have to pay what the Congress and the president find necessary for what Americans need.
The highly taxed Scandinavians actually have more real income after taxes than Americans do! Their medical costs are around half of ours, and with government involvement they pay less in taxes than they would for health insurance. They go on longer vacations. They get their moneys worth!
Let's end up with Medicare-Medicaid for all! The Affordable Care Act-Obama-cares- is reining in the medical costs so that as they account for much of the debt, their diminishing will decrease it!
So, have more of your own money is such an empty platitude as is much of con-job-servatism! Ti's bait and switch!
TechFan and other fellow luminaries, eh?

carcraft
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carcraft 05/30/12 - 06:14 am
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Well said!

Well said!

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 05/30/12 - 06:28 am
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amen

amen

JohnBrownAug
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JohnBrownAug 05/30/12 - 07:01 am
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Factual, revealing letter

That's a factual and revealing letter. Thanks for pointing out the truth, Mr. Sheffer.

skeptic griggsy
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skeptic griggsy 05/30/12 - 07:04 am
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Reality
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Well-said for reactionaries, but it's so risible for the rest of America!
Fellow luminaries, please add to my previous comment!

Rhetor
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Rhetor 05/30/12 - 07:14 am
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Well, as long as

Well, as long as conservatives maintain that President Obama is a Muslim born in Kenya, deny human-caused global warming, and deny the theory of evolution, it might be prudent not to accuse liberals of ignoring facts. Have a great day.

southernguy08
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southernguy08 05/30/12 - 07:20 am
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President owed an apology?
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Does the term, "When pigs fly!" mean anything to you, Mr. Palmer?

madgerman
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madgerman 05/30/12 - 07:24 am
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Is it really charity when you
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Is it really charity when you take donations as a tax advantage? If there were no tax deductions for charity I wonder who would give. To me, many donations are just a transferance of tax. BTW if we need facts then the fat one is the proper place to listen to. What I don't understand is how a rationaal person could listen to advice from a drug addict who obtained his drugs illegally. I guess if people didn't have Rush to lead them, they would have no place to obtain their facts of what is going on and they would have to think for themselves. Sad.

effete elitist liberal
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effete elitist liberal 05/30/12 - 07:42 am
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Just the facts

"That's a factual and revealing letter." Yes, indeed. I found this fact particularly interesting: "liberals have higher average incomes." I suppose this is because liberals are better educated, have better jobs, work harder, and make more valuable contributions to society. In our economic system, as conservatives constantly point out, the value of work to the country is measured by earnings. Aren't facts fascinating?

Bruno
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Bruno 05/30/12 - 08:02 am
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Effete, several studies prove

Effete, several studies prove you wrong on the income distribution. Check 2008 Pew Research and 2000 - 2004 National Annenberg Election Surveys. There was only one study, by Syracuse professor Arthur C. Brooks, that supported your claim. Don't just parrot the party line.

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Carleton Duvall 05/30/12 - 07:59 am
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Charity

You overlooked one fact, EEL. I know it is was an oversight. Conservatives give much more to charity than liberals. Liberals choose to have taxpayer dollars go to charity.If you are going to state facts get them all out there.

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 05/30/12 - 08:24 am
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RHETEOR--1- im not a birthier

RHETEOR--1- im not a birthier but obumler bios from 1991-2007 stated he was born in kenya--whos confused or lying??? . 2- theory of evolution--does not theory mean speculation based on observation..but its not a fact..many scientist are going to intelligent design theory..3- global warming so many have lied and manuipulated data to prove it ..its a theory too...if the world, billions of years old would it not have periods of heat and cold, dry and wet???...im 58 years old have witnessed this..your other billion years i cannot.. in the 70 times had its cover page about the coming ice age..but i bet sun spots and solar flares have more effect than man ever could..so please give me your facts..have a great day

effete elitist liberal
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effete elitist liberal 05/30/12 - 08:31 am
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charity

Sorry, Bruno, the income distribution fact was not mine; it was cited by the letter writer Robert Shaffer. Of course if he was wrong on that one, what other "facts" did he get wrong? You can't pick and chose the facts you wish to believe.

faithson
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faithson 05/30/12 - 08:43 am
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lost me

Interesting letter until 'Rushbo' came up. A despicable creature of our hyper in your face times.

justthefacts
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justthefacts 05/30/12 - 09:03 am
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EEL

"You can't pick and chose the facts you wish to believe." Neither can you (:

dichotomy
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dichotomy 05/30/12 - 09:58 am
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It's just a fact that

It's just a fact that liberals want to support THIER causes with YOUR money through forced government policy. Conservatives tend to support those who they feel deserve help and they do it with THEIR money through VOLUNTARY giving. What a novel concept.

Retired Army
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Retired Army 05/30/12 - 09:59 am
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Shefler writes: "I am not

Shefler writes: "I am not defending Mr. Limbaugh, as he is fully capable of defending himself."

Gee and here I thought that a good reason to not defend Limbaugh would have been what he said was indefensible.

This is the Conservative mindset in a nutshell. It comes from the old Regan Mantra of "Never speak ill of your fellow Republican" and is the true guide to the duplicity and hypocrisy of the movement.

As Liberals, we're allowed to speak ill of unacceptable behavior, no matter whose it is. That's how solutions come about.

I like that.

Shea_Addams
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Shea_Addams 05/30/12 - 10:02 am
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Rhetor....why not try to
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Rhetor....why not try to dispute ANYTHING in the letter instead of the diversionary personal attacks? Could it be that you have no retort?

southernguy08
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southernguy08 05/30/12 - 10:02 am
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EEL
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"Liberals are better educated, have better jobs, work harder, and make more valuable contributions to society?" I see these well educated, hard working, big money liberals standing in line to get in when I drive by the welfare office. What exactly makes Robert Shaffer an expert? If you believe all of this, I have some oceanfront property in Montana I'll sell ya...CHEAP!

Shea_Addams
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Shea_Addams 05/30/12 - 10:04 am
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"As Liberals, we're allowed
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"As Liberals, we're allowed to speak ill of unacceptable behavior, no matter whose it is. That's how solutions come about."

And yet he defends any and everything the President says and does. Interesting.

effete elitist liberal
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effete elitist liberal 05/30/12 - 10:05 am
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pick and choose

JTF, I have not challenged a single "fact" claimed by the letter writer Sheffer. I accept as fact that conservatives, despite lower average incomes, give more to charity. I am simply trying to be balanced. If you accept the conclusion that conservatives are more generous, based on charitable giving data, then you must accept the conclusion that liberals earn more because they are smarted, more educated, and their labor is judged more valuable to society. And by the way, you conservatives claim liberals have no problem asking that the tax dollars of conservatives be used for government "charity" programs. We don't, but we also are quite willing that our own tax dollars be used in the same way. Liberals just think charity works better on the insurance model, where the "risk" is pooled and thus spread more evenly over all.

justthefacts
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justthefacts 05/30/12 - 10:11 am
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EEL

There is alot to debate there. Unfortunately, time is short. Up front, I would say that the gov't shouldn't be in the charity business..at all.

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 05/30/12 - 10:17 am
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Too Many

EEL posted:

You can't pick and chose the facts you wish to believe.

Sure you can. Each and every one of us do this every day. There are too many facts out there to believe them all.

They even made up an adage about it:

One man's fact is another man's fancy.

Retired Army
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Retired Army 05/30/12 - 10:20 am
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Now Shefler goes on to "Not

Now Shefler goes on to "Not defend" Limbaugh by defending him further.

Hint, Bob, you can't buy your way into heaven with tax deductible charity money. Motive has much to do with true charity.

Too high a standard? Check out Matt 6 for the standards.

It gets even worse in the case of Willard Milton Romney. All(most?) of his tax deductible charity money is intended only for the Mormon church. I'm not attacking his faith here. I'm attacking the idea that we the taxpayers are in effect subsidizing a Religion when we allow tax deductions that support a Religion. To make a point, how many would be truly supportive if contributions to Satanism were tax deductible? Under the standards we live by if they are not they should be.

And trust me here, there are plenty of folks who think the other guys religion is the spawn of Satan. I grew up in a time when Catholics were taught they were going straight to Hell if they set foot in a Baptist church let alone donate money, and we've all heard preaching from the other side advocating the same.

Shea_Addams
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Shea_Addams 05/30/12 - 10:20 am
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I will concede that the
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I will concede that the fruits of many liberals labors are deemed more valuable by society.......that's how free market works, however I have yet to see any evidence that it is because they are smarter or better educated. Take for example Kim Kardashian, Paris Hilton, Denis Rodman, etc. Only arrogance would lead one to the "logical" conclusion that the only reason must be higher education or intelligence.

Shea_Addams
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Shea_Addams 05/30/12 - 10:23 am
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RA....charitable donations to
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RA....charitable donations to Satanism ARE tax deductable. So what is your point? And as before...why not attack the facts presented in the letter instead of diversionary personal attacks and sarcasm?

Carleton Duvall
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Carleton Duvall 05/30/12 - 10:51 am
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Charity

For your information, RA, many of us who make donations do not get a tax deduction as we do not itemize.

effete elitist liberal
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effete elitist liberal 05/30/12 - 10:52 am
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Kim K

Oh where to begin? Shea_Addams, just because you can name 3 "liberals" who earn a lot despite questionable intelligence and limited education does not establish that liberals over all do not out-earn conservatives because they are superior in the ways I listed. Only a tiny handfull of liberals are pro athletes or Hollywood types. By your logic, a dumb jock like Tim Tebow proves all rich conservatives are just like him!

joseyj
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joseyj 05/30/12 - 10:56 am
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faithson

It's mindboggling that any Christian would listen to Limbaugh.

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