Nixon was true statesman

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It was interesting to read Ben Stein’s guest column in NewsMax titled “Reminiscences of a Nixon Insider.”

Remember, most voters were snowed by the hostile press and Democratic politicians to believe that the Watergate break-in to Democratic Party headquarters by supporters of President Nixon was the crime of the century. By world standards it was a trivial occurrence, committed by Democrat administrations as well. The Kennedy and Johnson administrations had involved us in an Asian land war (Vietnam) after the French president warned them: “You will lose uncounted men and material.” Soon after the French were bloodied and forced out, then came many years of U.S. losses. Mr. Nixon pulled all U.S. combat troops out of Vietnam by the end of 1972, and later brought prisoners of war home. To secure peace for a generation, Mr. Nixon went to China secretly behind the backs of the Soviets to open dialog and put a wedge between the two communist superpowers.

Mr. Nixon was a statesman – not part of the usual run of politicians we have had. I am certain that a commonsense businessman, Mitt Romney, also has statesmanlike abilities to raise the economy and keep the peace.

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KSL
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KSL 05/28/12 - 10:55 pm
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I can't disagree on the

I can't disagree on the point of Nixon's bringing the troops home.

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Retired Army 05/28/12 - 11:17 pm
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I'm sure Willard Romney is

I'm sure Willard Romney is just thrilled to be put in the same class as Richard M. Nixon.

Oh, what the heck. Maybe it's apropriate. Who knows.

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faithson 05/28/12 - 11:31 pm
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think S.G. missed the Nixon characterization

The Vietnam War ended with the fall of Saigon on 30 April 1975. I think S.G. is about as far off with his characterization of 'tricky dicky' as he is with the ending of that War.

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Jake 05/28/12 - 11:34 pm
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Tricky Dick

I hated Nixon and then I like him. He surrounded himself with men of questionable ethics and he ended up, rightfully so, having to take the dive. You get what you pay for sometimes.
I like him in that he was a product of an era when political parties were more give and take instead of all give and no take or no give and all take. Last of the old style politician's of the 50's.
But as a Vietnam veteran I will say this, his military action in May 1970 when he decided to attack weapons cache's in Cambodia and Laos was a very good tactical and morale booster for us on the ground. Sure, we got a rocket attack on the day of the initial attack but no more after that for about 5 months. He was criticized for expanding the war to other nations but in reality it was not that at all. The left is not always right and the right is not always wrong and the wrong is not always left.

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Retired Army 05/29/12 - 12:40 am
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Yeah Jake, but do you really

Yeah Jake, but do you really think that Willard is high fiving ol' S.G. for comparing him to Nixon?

That's our local Republicans for ya. Always ready to help man the circular firing squad.

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Craig Spinks 05/29/12 - 01:36 am
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madgerman
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madgerman 05/29/12 - 06:29 am
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Well well well. And here I
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Well well well. And here I thought he went to China to set the ground work for the destruction of Americas manufacturing process. At the behest of big business' desire for cheap labor and imports. But I did like his actions with regards to setting gas price caps, even if it did result in loooong lines.

madgerman
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madgerman 05/29/12 - 06:35 am
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I almost forgot. I would
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I almost forgot. I would sure like to ask brother Stein what other breakins were committed by Democrat Presidents? Obviously there were some because he references such. But like everything heard today, it was a spoken statement with no scintilla of back up information. It might be a good idea for old S.G. to read articles thoroughly and discard those that start off with a blatant lie, regardless of who wrote it.

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itsanotherday1 05/29/12 - 07:59 am
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It is intellectually

It is intellectually dishonest to claim a comparison of a desirable trait = a comparison of the entire persona. Nixon was about more than Watergate, even though rightfully, it brought him down.

justthefacts
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justthefacts 05/29/12 - 08:02 am
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Nowadays

Just about every ex-Prez looks pretty good these days.

TK3
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TK3 05/29/12 - 08:14 am
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How low can you go?

Nixon was one of the worse crooks ever to sit in the White house and trashed the Constitution/Bill Of Rights and the oath of office almost as bad as Obama.

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allhans 05/29/12 - 09:38 am
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I voted for Nixon, the first

I voted for Nixon, the first time I ever voted. I wasn't into politics back then and am not familiar with his policies, but he did put an end to the killing of our troops in Vietnam. Something Johnson seemed to be incapable of. (The guys Bill Ayers and other friends of O were protesting and worse?)
So give Nixon at least one thumbs up.

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dichotomy 05/29/12 - 10:21 am
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Oh I think Nixon was a very

Oh I think Nixon was a very good president who got caught up in something that was commonly done by campaign staffs from both parties back then. His BIG mistake was denial and cover-up. I still say that if had come out and chuckled and said "yes, my staff got a little over zealous and got caught. They are fired.", it would have probably blown over.

And faithson.......I do believe Nixon pulled all US combat troops out of Vietnam by December 1972 and the US military headquarters was shut down by March of 1973. The peroid between our troops leaving and the fall of Saigon in '75 was supposedly covered by the Vietnam peace accord until the North Vietnamese decided to violate the accord and the US threw South Vientnam under the bus. It's the same situation we are setting Afghanistan up for right now. I would not want to be one of the "advisors" left over there after all of the combat troops are pulled out.

The right or wrong of getting involved in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghnistan is overcome by events. But when it comes to finishing what you start the US is like a roll of toilet paper with 2 sheets left on it. We never quite get the mess cleaned up before we pull up our drawers and run. That usually results in a stain and some stink.

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avidreader 05/29/12 - 10:22 am
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Herofication

We as a public continue to buy into the herofication of our statesmen (and stateswomen). Anyone with a thirst for knowledge can dig into Nixon's presidency and find truck loads of "truth" that dispell his credibility as an honest man. Nixon resigned in the midst of a scandal that could have been easily avoided if he had simply faced the American people and admitted his sins. But no, no; not Tricky Dicky. He continued to attempt a political recovery through lies and deceit. And we all know how that turned out.

If there is a hell, I'm betting that Nixon is playing pinochle with Stalin and Lenin.

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southernguy08 05/29/12 - 10:24 am
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Nixon and Clinton
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Let's examine the facts. Nixon was guilty of lying through his teeth and getting caught. Instead of putting the country through the pain of another presidential impeachment (The first impeachment was Democrat Andrew Johnson.), he resigned. Clinton was guilty of lying through his teeth, under oath, and getting caught. Instead of doing the right thing and resigning, he fought any attempt to remove him, got his buddies in congress to back him, and ran out the rest of his second term, pretty much as a lame duck for the last 2 years. I'm sure the liberals would like to present these events differently, but they can't change these facts. I heard this saying, "George Washington couldn't tell a lie. Nixon and Clinton couldn't tell the truth. Obama can't tell the difference." Yeah, I'm laughing.

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Willow Bailey 05/29/12 - 10:34 am
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At 10:21

Kudos dichotomy! Noooobody says like you do.

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Willow Bailey 05/29/12 - 10:38 am
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If we want to talk about presidential liars,

We don't have to look up anything to remember...."I did not have sex with THAT woman." AND, "My administration will be transparent."
I could go on, but you surely get the picture.

allhans
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allhans 05/29/12 - 11:09 am
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As I have said before, if

As I have said before, if Nixon had had the benefits of today's technology he would never have been caught.
Lots worse snooping going on now and few are complaining.

Willow Bailey
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Willow Bailey 05/29/12 - 11:26 am
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Bingo

allhans

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Retired Army 05/29/12 - 11:36 am
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Willow, allhans, not getting

Willow, allhans, not getting caught makes criminal behavior OK?

Come on. You two are better than that.

swcohen
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swcohen 05/29/12 - 12:20 pm
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Ha ha ha ha hahaha!!!

Good one, S.G. Your letter had me laughing so hard that I snorted corn flakes out my nose. Nixon? Nixon? Oh, there's gotta be a punch line there somewhere.

I'm all for return missions to the moon so we can take his name off the plaques that were left at the landing sites.

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Carleton Duvall 05/29/12 - 12:39 pm
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Retired Army

I don't think that Allhans or Willow Bailey need me to defend them but I must say that your interpretation of their comments are off the wall.I suggest you read them again. You are a bright guy and I am sure, after reading them again, that you will agree with me.

Bucky Fox
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Bucky Fox 05/29/12 - 01:28 pm
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Nixon was a giant

S.G., super assessment. simply consider he spread American freedom to the hilt by turning to an all-volunteer Army.

Retired Army
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Retired Army 05/29/12 - 02:28 pm
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Sorry Bucky, that doesn't

Sorry Bucky, that doesn't wash with me for two reasons.

First, I have served in both versions of the United States Army. I would never pretend to disrespect the draftee version. I met and served with some of the finest people ever in the draftee military. There was a true cross section of American Patriots there serving America.

Next would be this question. Just how many of these protracted and unneeded wars would this nation have been involved in had the whole populace been subject to serve in them?

Get the kids of the fortunate few in potential harms way and common sense breaks out.

The All Volunteer military is broken. Any fool can see that.As good as these kids are, look at the epidemic of suicides amongst America's finest, from bearing too much of our nations load with little or no recourse. We Vietnam vets didn't see the continuous combat tours that these kids have. Even ol' Charleton and many of our WWII, Korea vets can attest to that.

No, Nixon's All Volunteer Military was nothing more than a political ploy to get the middle and upper class out of political activism. Worked too.

This nation cannot and will not change the military industrial beast that is ruining it until ALL have a stake in the pornography of war.

I would wholly support the reinstatement of the draft or at the very least two years of national service of some kind for those with true and verifiable moral convictions against military service. Makes us a better nation when all bear the load.

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justthefacts 05/29/12 - 02:30 pm
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Evidence

"Get the kids of the fortunate few in potential harms way and common sense breaks out". Do you have the slightest bit of evidence available to support that?

Carleton Duvall
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Carleton Duvall 05/29/12 - 02:30 pm
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Ol' Charleton

RA, if you are going to insult me at least spell my name right. BTW, I happen to agree with your assessment of the all voluntary military. I was a volunteer in the navy during WWII and some of the best that served with me were draftees. The draft boards were allocating a goodly number to the navy. Eisenhower warned us. It has now come to be.

Carleton Duvall
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Carleton Duvall 05/29/12 - 02:35 pm
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WWII

We won that war because of the draftees and the people back home supporting us. Don't believe me, ask any WWII vet.

KSL
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KSL 05/29/12 - 02:41 pm
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There were a lot volnteers

There were a lot volnteers during WW2. My dad tried with some friends to sign up, but he was too young. And this was before the US entered the war.

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Carleton Duvall 05/29/12 - 03:01 pm
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Volunteers

There were advantages to volunteering during or before WWII. Volunteers generally got choices that draftees didn't. i know, in my case, I got an opportunity to get into officers training. Of course, if you wanted to get into the navy or marines your best bet was to volunteer.

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allhans 05/29/12 - 04:53 pm
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RA I hope you don't believe

RA I hope you don't believe that the draft would make a difference in the "fortunate few" serving or not serving.

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