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Conservatives belittled President Obama’s evolving belief on gay marriage. Yet, the conservatives failed to mention their current political beliefs are an evolution of atheistic beliefs.

In 1899, Robert Green Ingersoll wrote, “Ignorance, poverty, and vice are populating the world. The gutter is a nursery. People unable even to support themselves fill the tenements, the huts and hovels with children. They depend on the Lord, luck and on charity. They are not intelligent enough to think about consequences or to feel responsibility. At the same time they do not want children, because a child is a curse, a curse to them and to itself. The babe is not welcome, because it is a burden. These unwelcome children fill the jails and prisons, the asylums and hospitals, and they crowd the scaffolds. A few are rescued by chance or charity, but the great majority are failures. They become vicious, ferocious. They live by fraud and violence, and bequeath their vices to their children. The real question is, can we prevent the ignorant and the poor from filling the world with their children?”

Ingersoll was a devout atheist.

Today, Ingersoll would be called a Rush Limbaugh conservative because they have the same mind-set. They both despise the unsuccessful and the poor. The Bible says, “If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need, but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him?”

That explains why an atheist living in 1899 sounds like a conservative in 2012. The conservatives owe President Obama an apology.

Kevin Palmer

Martinez

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faithson
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faithson 05/27/12 - 10:55 pm
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thar is some truth in them thar hills....

Christian charity must recognize it's limits. allowing irresponsible reproduction is the problem of our times. one religion would do well to stay out of.

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specsta 05/28/12 - 01:09 am
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The Conservative Mind

Yes, what is it with conservatives and their unrestrained hatred of poor folks? Why do they embrace greed at the expense of the well-being of others? What is in the conservative mind that makes them physically ill to help someone else out? Is it a mental condition?

How can someone love a fetus yet hate the child after he/she is born and not provide for the child with food, healthcare, and an excellent education? How can someone wrap themselves in the flag and the Ten Commandments yet have no concern for the homeless, the unemployed and the sick? What is the problem with the conservative mind?

How can one be so against spending for social programs, yet not blink an eye when billions are spent on wars, bombs, and bullets to maim and destroy our fellow man? How does the conservative mind justify their agenda to impose their "moral" crusade (aka so-called family values) against families and individuals who do not share their values (such as drug wars, porn wars, contraception wars, and the rest of that nonsense)?

Conservatives live in a 1950's fantasy land where there Mom and Dad live in a house in the suburbs and have 2.5 kids. They have their own success, and to heck with everybody else. Poor? Tough luck. Sick? Tough luck. Jobless? Tough luck. Conservatism can only be defined as a mental condition of selfishness.

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Fundamental_Arminian 05/28/12 - 04:19 am
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What a stretch!

    Today, Ingersoll would be called a Rush Limbaugh conservative because they have the same mind-set. They both despise the unsuccessful and the poor. The Bible says, “If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need, but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him?” (Kevin Palmer).

Why would anyone group Rush Limbaugh, who's pro-life, with Robert Green Ingersoll, an atheist whose desire to stop the poor and ignorant from repopulating resembled the eugenics of Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood? Mr. Palmer really messed up here, but I can understand his attempt to distract from President Obama's performance record.

Mr. Palmer also messed up in appealing to 1 John 3:17: "... If anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him?" (English Standard Version). Please note that the verse says nothing about setting up a welfare bureaucracy, but urges private compassion and charity.

Liberals have a history of being less than liberal when it comes to giving of their own money to help the poor. Just compare Joe Biden's record of charitable giving to Mitt Romney's record.

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Carleton Duvall 05/28/12 - 05:39 am
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Who gives most conservatives or liberals

Got Your Own Answer Ready? Now, Let’s Turn to the Data:

Generally speaking, the conservative is twice as likely to give money to charities as the liberal is, according to a study by Arthur C. Brooks.
And, the conservative will give 100 times more money in a given year. The conservative is more likely to give to religious and to nonreligious causes, compared to the liberal. (Brooks writes about his study in “Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism.”)

The above is taken from a study done by Arthur Brooks. I found it by googling. There a number of sites that completely disproves what Mr. Palmer has written.

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shrimp for breakfast 05/28/12 - 06:26 am
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I agree with Specsta and Carleton

I too always wondered how we as the USA could spend billions killing people with bombs and bullets and turn a blind eye to the mentally ill in this country. Whether you want to believe it or not most of our homeless are mentally ill. What this country needs to do is spend these war billions on helping these folks with mental health. I know these things first hand. While researching one of my books I spent time in homeless shelters for a year. I learned a great deal about these folks and found over 90 percent had mental issues ranging from depression to agoraphobia, panic attacks mistrust of most people not to mention the severe mental issues of schizophrenia, hallucinations both audible and visable but not once did I find a person who was lazy and did not want to work. Many were just downright afraid and thier whole world consisted of maybe a four block radius. I must admit I also noticed the stigma other people placed on these folks. Just by hanging out with them I was also sterotyped. Once I was in a library and needed to use the bathroom. In order to get the key I had to produce a library card. Well I wasn't from this city so I didn't have one so I offered the girl behind the counter twenty bucks if I could use thier precious restroom. She jumped at it.
Carleton is right about conservatives giving more towards the welfare of the hungry at least. I conducted a poll (although people didn't know it was a poll due to my decieving questions) of folks donating food to the Greenville SC Salvation Army and found about a 75% to 25% conservative over liberal conclusion.
Until mental heath issues are addressed in this country you can expect things to get much worse.

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david jennings 05/28/12 - 06:37 am
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I consider myself

I consider myself conservative, specta' comment didn't bother me one bit because he's not talking about me. A hard working brick mason raised me and three siblings and never asked or expected anything from the government. He served in WW two, came home and started a family and took care of them, he did it the hard way.

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justthefacts 05/28/12 - 06:43 am
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No Rush fan, but

The latest data I saw was 2008. Rush donated over $4M to charity and was ranked 10th among celebrities. Opriah was #1.

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carcraft 05/28/12 - 06:54 am
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Just the facts, where did

Just the facts, where did Biden and Obama rank?

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Gage Creed 05/28/12 - 06:55 am
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To Paraphrase...

What is in the liberal mindset that makes them physically ill to help themselves out? Is it a mental condition?

Liberals live in a 1960's commune where there (sic) Mom and Dad live in a old VW bus, have 12.5 kids and taking care of the family is the governments job!

howcanweknow
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howcanweknow 05/28/12 - 07:34 am
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laughable

Kevin, Kevin, Kevin... there you go again. We can always count on you to mess up facts and construct unfounded arguments.

Although not all Conservatives are Christians, Kevin seems to lump them together. If Kevin knew better, he'd stop cherry-picking verses from the Bible to try and support his position, but neglect so many others that reveal the complete picture. Typical behavior from the secular Left who bring up the Bible only when it appears to support their agenda. Otherwise, it is criticized and condemned. Hypocritical.

From it's inception, Christianity has preached care for the helpless. Alongside that command, however, are commands of equal importance demanding personal responsibility, accountability, and initiative. As has been quoted here before, "If a man does not work, then he shall not eat." That's right out of Jesus' book as well. Funny how the Kevins out there never bother to present a "fair and balanced" argument from all the directives, do they?

Here's the deal. Christians and Conservatives give much to support those in "need": those who are unable to help themselves and those who are disabled. Hence the passion for standing up for the unborn -- the most helpless of all in society whom most atheists would gladly destroy as an "inconvenience" to them.

Let's get down to brass tacks here, Kevin: How do you define "unsuccessful"? You need to define your terms specifically before you start casting aspersions. If a person is "unsuccessful" because they are disabled or mentally ill, then that person deserves assistance and I know many churches with missions for such folks. However, if a person is "unsuccessful" because they dropped out of school, got involved in a gang, got into drugs, or had a bunch of kids from any number of men and can't support these kids, then their lack of success is their OWN doing, and they have no right to expect others to fund their "unsuccessful" choices and lifestyle. That's very biblical -- at least for those who seek the truth of the Bible and not just see only what they want to see in it. The New Testament says that any man that fathers children yet refuses to support and care for them is one of the worst sinners out there.

Conservatives are generous and do much to lend a hand up. But, Conservatives are not anxious to simply give handouts and subsidize destructive behavior and attitudes. There is a difference. Sure, we all make mistakes, and if someone wants to get their life in order they will gladly be helped. But, if someone chooses to wallow in a destructive lifestyle and demands others help them do so, then no -- there is no reason to support such attitudes and enable such destructive behavior.

Compassion? Absolutely. Enabling "unfortunate" situations? No way.

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Carleton Duvall 05/28/12 - 07:21 am
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Obama, Biden and Romney

Obama gave $240,000, Biden $369 and Romney gave $7 million last year. Biden only wants to give your money, not his own.

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freeradical 05/28/12 - 07:31 am
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News flash Mr Kevin, "

News flash Mr Kevin,

" The Babe is not welcome " " a child is a curse " , " it is a

burden "

Is one of the greatest liberal commandments.

One that has been used to justify the butchering of over 50 million

" babe's " .

Former extremist liberal speaker of the house Nancy Polosi said in

reference to the snuffing out the lives of babies , and I quote :

" it reduces costs "
(Nancy Polosi )

Your Mr Ingersoll is a liberal Mr Palmer , you just do not have the good

sense to realize it.

howcanweknow
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howcanweknow 05/28/12 - 07:48 am
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Keep stating the truth,

Keep stating the truth, Soapy. The more the truth is said, the more it will convict. It will attract or repel -- cause obedience or defiance. Truth is never neutral, and cannot be bent or manipulated to fit a political agenda.

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southernguy08 05/28/12 - 08:02 am
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KEVIN & SPECSTA
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Amazing...you manage to put ALL conservatives in the same boat. If this is true, can we put all liberals in the same boat of being lazy, mindless, immoral, and arrogant, just because some of you are? I do not hate poor people...I simply do not understand why our government is trying to make their lives easier. Poverty itself should be tough, that's the greatest incentive to get more education and training as well as work harder to move out of it. My great-grandfather came here in 1904 from Ireland. He had a small bag of clothes, NO MONEY, and was uneducated. He worked during the day, sweeping and mopping floors to begin with, went to school at night, and eventually moved up to a decent job that provided him a good life. There was NO "gummint" programs to help him. The very notion was unheard of at the time. Since you want to throw Christianity into this argument, let me remind you of a quote. "The poor you will always have with you." Jesus Christ, Mark 14:7. Does this mean we shouldn't care? No, but reasonable thought is needed, like the poor not having more children when they can't afford what they have and expecting the taxpayers to foot the bill.

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allhans 05/28/12 - 08:32 am
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Soapy...Re Apologize...You

Soapy...Re Apologize...You could win an election using that platform.

allhans
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allhans 05/28/12 - 08:36 am
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Folks pay too much attention

Folks pay too much attention to labels.

We aren't all necessarily what we profess to be. I could say that I am an atheist, but would that make it so? Hardly.
Only God knows my heart.

howcanweknow
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howcanweknow 05/28/12 - 08:46 am
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actions speak louder

Agreed, Allhans. However, as God's book tells us you'll know someone's true colors by their acts. In other words, "your fruits show your roots."

For example, if someone claims to be a dedicated Christian in public and makes sure the Press reports that claim, but they openly flaunt the precepts of Christianity in practice (e.g., supporting abortion "rights", having your faith evolve into supporting homosexuality as a lifestyle) -- well, such fruits clearly reveal that the person's roots are definitely NOT of Christian origin.

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nofanofobama 05/28/12 - 08:49 am
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it is a incrediable leap of

it is a incrediable leap of faith the LTE writer makes and noteworthy in the fact it cannot be refuted or proved..the left will throw out these charges and then expect the conservatives to prove its wrong..yes there are studies and evidence that conservatives are happier and more generous but to the hard core accuser it will not matter..the severity of the charge ..not the legitamacy of the charge is the most important matter..

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allhans 05/28/12 - 08:51 am
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Howcanweknow. I agree with

Howcanweknow. I agree with everything you have said. Always do. Keep it up. The truth needs to be out there.

howcanweknow
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howcanweknow 05/28/12 - 08:51 am
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apology

I think Kevin owes us an apology for his misinformation and blatant distortion of reality.

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avidreader 05/28/12 - 08:58 am
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Situational vs. Generational Poverty

Compassionate people, whether Republican or Democrat, are not against helping those in need. Situational poverty can be remedied eventually, and the welfare recipient can move along and live a dignified life, or at least see to it that their offspring do not fall into the same abyss.

Generational poverty is the BIG problem. This mindset dictates that the government "owes us". Generation after generation of pitiful, uneducated people simply sit back and collect from the bounty of our federal and state governments. This is the prickly topic that many politicians avoid. Why?

It is not my wish that these people be thrown to the curb; I am only suggesting that at some point, the rules have to change for the next generation. The less-than-intelligent (a polite euphemism) are going to have to realize that they cannot continue to birth children who will continue to burden our society. They must find the means to live a life free of governmental support. As a nation, where do we draw the line?

To many people in our country, even our educational system is looked upon as a handout, when it should be considered a ticket to individual freedom -- freedom from poverty and ignorance.

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Willow Bailey 05/28/12 - 09:13 am
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Here's mine, Kevin....

I am sorry enough people voted for you, Mr. President, to get you elected. I will be even sorrier, if they repeat that same behavior.

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southernguy08 05/28/12 - 09:46 am
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Give a man a fish...
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"Give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, you feed him for a lifetime." Looks like this country is more interested in giving fishes to men, instead of teaching them to fish. How's that hope and change working out for you, folks?

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JohnBrownAug 05/28/12 - 09:46 am
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Here I was thinking liberals

Here I was thinking liberals sounded like Marxists. I didn't realize Christian conservatives were actually atheistic devils attacking poor people. Mr. Duvall points out conservatives give far more to charity than liberals. He also points out how much Romney gave compared to Obama-Biden. There must be a grand deception going on with conservatives giving to hide that they hate the poor and liberals not giving to hide they actually love the poor.

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CobaltGeorge 05/28/12 - 09:52 am
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No Apology!

It will be a cold day in Hell befor I would ever apologize to the King SMNCICBHO for all the destruction he has done in the past 3 years to all True Americans and future Americans.

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dichotomy 05/28/12 - 10:04 am
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Obama should apologize.

I am waiting for Obama to apologize for Obamacare, Solyndra, the pipeline, class warfare, Porkulus, snubbing the Israeli prime minister, doubling the debt, and advocating for policies whose uncertainty keep the unemployment rate high. His presidency has been the biggest embarrassment and biggest failure since Jimmy Carter. It has nothing to do with Obama being half white. It's all about his totally failed policies and back room, midnight, "pass it to see what's in it" legislation.

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Jake 05/28/12 - 10:18 am
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Sorry for sure

And I'm sorry I read all these sorry comments.

howcanweknow
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howcanweknow 05/28/12 - 10:24 am
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Yep

That's why Jake is on my ignore list.

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KSL 05/28/12 - 10:44 am
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I think most of the comments

I think most of the comments are great and very accurate.

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Gary Ross 05/28/12 - 10:46 am
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Not all poor are misfortunate

For decades I gave to charities, until I found out how little was actually going to help those intended. For may years I gave to the "poor" who stand on corners, only to find that they are making a better living at begging than I am at working. For many years I helped a certain fatherless family, only to eventually discover the mother is just plain lazy minded, and prefers begging and even manipulation to get what she wants. She refuses to look for a job, and now she's teaching her kids to be the same.

I don't believe God or the Bible means for us to cater to deceptive and selfish people, and I'm greatly saddened that a story like this can group all poor into one common bucket. There is a big difference between the unfortunate, and swindlers posing to be. I still give openly, as God wishes us to do, but I am much wiser now. If that is a sin then let God be my judge, not you.

As for being forced to contribute to those undeserving through taxes, I am strongly opposed. That is, until an uncorrupt system can be put into place.

Appology to Obama? I'm sorry, but you are way out in left field here. He owes America an appology for ripping her apart.

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