Socialism doesn't work

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Everything comes to an end, even the United States of America. Many think socialism is the answer and will save us. Socialism gives us obvious problems. Let’s tax the rich into oblivion – but whom would we work for?

Entitlements for everyone, but where does the money come from? Greece? Italy? France? Russia? Socialism didn’t work for them.

What about social issues? Will marriage finally be defined as two living things mating as one, which could include animal, vegetable or mineral? Socialism has no room for God, so we take God out of our classrooms, government and businesses – and why not include the churches? If God has no place in this country, why bother? Replace him because we are all gods, but who will be the greatest god?

With socialism, who makes the rules? Where is the justice? What has happened to “of the people, by the people, for the people”? Has it been replaced by “of the government, by the government, for the government,” which shall surely pass away forever?

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fedex227
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fedex227 05/21/12 - 11:50 pm
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Don't you guys get letters
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Don't you guys get letters from little old ladies who had flat tires and some nice young man helped them change it? Far more interesting than the tedious drivel published of late. Honestly.

specsta
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specsta 05/22/12 - 01:26 am
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Fair Share

The rich need to pay their proportionate share of taxes. Right now, they don't. Corporations need to pay their fair share and stop receiving corporate welfare. How many more subsidies and tax breaks must we give billion dollar companies? No more. This is very easy to understand.

We are obligated, as human beings, to help those who are less fortunate. This is the entire message of the Gospel - help those in need and treat others the same as you would like be treated. Kindness creates kindness. Greed and condemnation creates violence and rebellion.

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desertcat6 05/22/12 - 06:00 am
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Specta, Our current tax code

Specta, Our current tax code is progressive. Higher earners are taxed at a higher rate than lower earners. Many low income earners pay nothing in taxes. Taxes are out of proportion. We need to end all forms of tax welfare and set a fair flat proportion for all.

As to your second point, you are correct. I, however, don't equate taxes with tithing or charitable donations. Taxes are for, among other things, running the government, defending the nation, taking care of veterans who served honorablly and/or have a service connected disability, establishing and enforcing the laws of the land, and paying for the social safety net via social security, medicare, and supplements to the states.

The Gospels do speak of helping the less fortunate. This is a praise worthy trait that shows compassion for your fellow man. Its an individual decision, an act of kindness, a show of charity that can't be filled by paying a bill against a levied tax. Similary, tithing allows churches to operate and to fund church programs and missions. Members do it voluntarily, but even that fails to meet the individual nature of helping the less fortunate expressed in the Gospel.

The key is individual action - labor, time, donation, gift, etc... - not taxes.

americafirst
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americafirst 05/22/12 - 07:15 am
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Only in America

Only in America could the group that pays 86% of all income taxes be accused of not paying their fair share by the people who don't pay any income tax. Gotta love this country.

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mikesaul 05/22/12 - 07:41 am
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Give me a break... We are now

Give me a break... We are now at a point where more than 50% of the voting-age population pay no more than zero ($0.00 or 0.00%) in FEDERAL income taxes, and a great majority of those even RECEIVE a large percentage of their annual income as a "refundable credit" (when did refund come to mean something other than getting back something you paid?). Not only that, but nearly one third, 1/3, 33.3% of the voting population now effectively, thanks to "refundable credits", benefits received but never paid for (medicare/medicaid), and other redistribution programs, NEVER PAY A SINGLE PENNY IN ANY FORM OF TAXES! Anyone who receives more from the system than they ever pay in, in my humble opinion, is not a taxpayer!

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faithson 05/22/12 - 07:48 am
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Unbridled Capitalism doesn't either

so we probably need to find a happy medium. Kinda like those who buy into the propaganda that the 'war on drugs' is working and will not entertain a discussion that includes decriminalization.

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Techfan 05/22/12 - 07:49 am
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"What has happened to “of the

"What has happened to “of the people, by the people, for the people”?"

Votes by people: Obama-69,456,897
McCain-59,934,814

mikesaul
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mikesaul 05/22/12 - 07:58 am
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"What has happened to “

Sadly, the majority of "the people" have realized they are numerous enough, now, to vote themselves more and more of the fruits of the minority's labors! That is why this great union was formed as a constitutional republic with three distinct branches providing checks and balances, and NOT as a democracy. True democracy is nothing more than mob (I mean, Majority) rule. Where would we be now if all of the biggest decisions in this contry's history had been made based on pure majority rule voting?

Shea_Addams
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Shea_Addams 05/22/12 - 07:59 am
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Spectca: "The rich need to
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Spectca:
"The rich need to pay their proportionate share of taxes."

So if you think people should pay their fair share do you also believe that "Earned income credit" should be abolished? How can you be paying your "fair share" if you are paying NO income tax and in fact receiving extra money back?

Just curious if you believe it goes both ways, or of you only want to demonize the successful.

Shea_Addams
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Shea_Addams 05/22/12 - 08:02 am
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"How many more subsidies and
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"How many more subsidies and tax breaks must we give billion dollar companies?"

I wonder if that includes solyndra?

Shea_Addams
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Shea_Addams 05/22/12 - 08:10 am
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There will be income equality
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There will be income equality when there is effort and ability equality. Socialism attempts to equalize the fruits of labor with no regard to the ambition, therefore killing ambition. Cries for "income equality" come from those who want what the wealthy have but are unwilling to do the work or take the risk necessary to get it. Posting how unequal the wealth is distributed does not change this fact.

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allhans 05/22/12 - 08:44 am
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As a wise man said: ". ...you

As a wise man said: ". ...you can't love employees and hate employers."
Obama and his cronies know this but continue to bad mouth employers as a means to divide us.
As the writer says, without corporations, who would supply the jobs.
Some people still, yes, even today, actually enjoy working for a living.

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OJP 05/22/12 - 08:14 am
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Low taxes are bad for Republicans now?

I swear, they will sacrifice even their most sacred principles to defend the economic elite.

You'd think having a large portion of the population paying little to no federal income taxes would be lauded - isn't that supposed to be a major goal of the GOP?

But, hey, anything to defend the guys with all the cash, right?

Shea_Addams
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Shea_Addams 05/22/12 - 08:19 am
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OJP: "You'd think having a
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OJP:
"You'd think having a large portion of the population paying little to no federal income taxes would be lauded - isn't that supposed to be a major goal of the GOP?"

Short answer......no. It's actually to have EVERYONE paying a fair share.

Techfan
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Techfan 05/22/12 - 08:19 am
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Of course very few

Of course very few individuals can write a check to single-handedly keep a politician in a race, ie.- Sheldon Adelson. Our puney little votes vs $10 million dollars of tv, newpaper, radio, etc. ads. The little guy doesn't stand a chance. The game is played by and for the big donors and lobbyists.

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Iwannakno 05/22/12 - 08:29 am
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Tax churches that hide behind
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Tax churches that hide behind the tax system and buy properties and make profits. Large churches are businesses. They pay huge salaries, own massive properties and have payrolls and benefits, if that's not a business I don't know what is. The small town churches that actually help the poor and down trodden are the idea behind tax exempt. These churches for profit that pay 500k salaries to their preachers that live in million dollar homes...really?

Shea_Addams
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Shea_Addams 05/22/12 - 08:27 am
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Techfan....the answer is NOT
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Techfan....the answer is NOT to take the wealthy's money away if the posibility of bribing a polititian exists. The answer is to stop the bribing. Using your logic, we should equalize everyone's income so that everyone can bribe them equally.

Techfan
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Techfan 05/22/12 - 08:27 am
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Yes, they want you to pay,

Yes, they want you to pay, say, 15% of your $15,000 a year income, while they pay a max of 15% (some want zero on capital gains) on their ADJUSTED gross income. Oh, all you have is the personal deduction, oh well. They have tax lawyers that can make their AGI half of their gross income. See, a win win for all, even if you can't afford to live, eat, have transportation, you're paying your fair share.

Shea_Addams
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Shea_Addams 05/22/12 - 08:28 am
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Most conservatives are for
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Most conservatives are for doing away with loopholes as well...so the "adjusted" number goes away. But if you repeat a lie enough you can demonize anyone.

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southernguy08 05/22/12 - 08:30 am
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TAXES
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We need to "redistribute the wealth." Barack Obama, 2008. Wonder how many of Obammy's Hollywood "limousine liberal" friends, you know, the ones who just shelled out $30,000 a plate for his fundraiser, have their money in "offshore accounts," and in Luxembourg, out of the reach of the federal taxman. Typical liberals..."Do as I say, not as I do." Yeah, I'm laughing.

Shea_Addams
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Shea_Addams 05/22/12 - 08:30 am
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If the President TRULY
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If the President TRULY believes that the wealthy should pay more taxes, then why didn't he just take the standard deduction on HIS taxes and pay more? Could it be hypocrisy?

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Retired Army 05/22/12 - 08:44 am
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Socialism doesn'rt Work? tell

Socialism doesn'rt Work? tell that to Jesus Christ at the Pearly Gates. I'm sure He'll be interested in your opinion.

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allhans 05/22/12 - 08:46 am
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Low taxes...yes No

Low taxes...yes
No taxes..no.
A bit of a difference there.

allhans
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allhans 05/22/12 - 08:47 am
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Jesus Christ already knows

Jesus Christ already knows our hearts. Pearly gates, huh?

allhans
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allhans 05/22/12 - 08:52 am
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4 Billion dollars a year of

4 Billion dollars a year of our hardearned money is going out of the country for illegal aliens in the form of earned income credits.....WOW...I just heard this on CNNNNNNNNNNNN.

Where are those who think that money should be used for our own poor?
I would think that Sharpton and crowd would be protesting at the borders.

Shea_Addams
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Shea_Addams 05/22/12 - 08:56 am
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"Retired Army" Where does it
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"Retired Army"

Where does it say that Jesus advocates forceably taking money from those who earn it and giving it to those who didn't? I believe he advocates CHARITY, not socialism....big difference.

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Retired Army 05/22/12 - 08:58 am
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Allhans, do you mean to say

Allhans, do you mean to say that illegal aliens are registering to pay their taxes from their paychecks and not working under the table?

I'm shocked I tell you, SHOCKED, to learn that they are following the laws of America! How dare them. Deport every one of them right now. We can pick our own damn onions.

Speaking of onions, anyone see the Vidalia's out yet?

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howcanweknow 05/22/12 - 08:59 am
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Specsta

Again, you just do not understand the basics of Christianity. You write: "We are obligated, as human beings, to help those who are less fortunate. This is the entire message of the Gospel" I challenge you to tell me exactly where you find that statement in the Bible? If your pastor is preaching that, he's just as confused as you seem to be.

Charitable activities are ministries of the church. The are NOT the "entire message of the Gospel". The Gospel message is to present Jesus Christ as the means of saving humanity from eternity apart from God. The #1 message of the Gospel is to love God and obey Him. That's it. Loving others is #2, and the greatest love you can render to others is telling them about Jesus. Evangelism, not charity, is the "message" of the Gospel.

The Gospel is far more than just something to treat social ills and improve society. It can, for sure. But, it's not a social Gospel -- it's a saving Gospel. I don't know from where you've gotten your information, but it's misinformation from someone who is pushing their own agenda, and neglecting God's true agenda for the Gospel.

Shea_Addams
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Shea_Addams 05/22/12 - 09:02 am
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It is my opinion that many
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It is my opinion that many liberals attempt to quote scripture as a "gotcha" method against conservatives because they think (incorrectly in many occasions) that all conservatives are Christians. I don't think they actually believe many of the scripture they quote, they just want to use it as a bullet.

Just my opinion.

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