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From the headlines, it would appear that the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services’ mandate on contraception coverage is old news. To the thinking electorate of Augusta, I say let’s keep the issue front-and-center of our national discourse.

My family has health-care coverage funded by my husband’s employer and by substantial monthly contributions from us. This policy has excluded:

• a pneumonia shot prescribed for a family member with a compromised respiratory system;

• eyeglasses for a 5-year-old;

• a plastic face mask required for a baby’s nebulizer.

These are a few items I keep in mind when the federal government begins to discuss “essential services.” What are they? According to Health and Human Services, they include contraceptives, sterilization and drugs that induce early abortion.

The key question is this: Can the federal government mandate that a citizen or an organization fund products or services fundamentally at odds with their values? Can the federal government compel an individual to violate his or her conscience?

Certainly this is not the first example of government or institutional overreach into areas of conscience. Former Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich sparked a firestorm in 2005 with an executive order mandating that pharmacists fill prescriptions for the so-called morning-after pill, an abortifacient drug. Six years later, an Illinois circuit court ruled against this.

Closer to home, a student at Augusta State University was recently told in class that apparently social workers who object to same-sex marriage would not be permitted to work in anything but religious institutions. They cannot counsel clients on issues unrelated to same-sex marriage; they cannot recuse themselves from cases that put their beliefs at odds with those of patients.

What next? Will pro-life doctors be forced to perform abortions as part of their training? If they refuse, will they be dismissed from medical school? How many fields will be closed to people who attempt to live their lives according to the precepts of their faith? Will people of faith be increasingly marginalized?

This is not a Catholic issue. It is not a Christian issue. It’s a constitutional issue, specifically a First Amendment issue: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,” the amendment reads, “or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ... .”

As the quote goes, reputedly from Edmund Burke: “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” Write to HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius; write to your senators and representatives; and write to President Obama. Let’s do something.

Kelly Dolin

Augusta

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Retired Army
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Retired Army 03/19/12 - 11:20 pm
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And if your religious beliefs

And if your religious beliefs condradict mine? Government in religion or religion in government, a historically proven slippery slope.

Look what happened to basic Christianity when it politically aligned itself with the Roman Empire via the Council of Nicea circa 395. Little if any good came of it and in fact it brought about 1,000 years of the Dark Ages.

It has taken mankind 1,500 years of constant struggle, untold thousands if not millions of human deaths and destruction to come to the ultimate truth here in America. Mixing religion and politics is a dastardly formula for untold suffering.

There is a place for religion. Much good comes of it. But far too many hide behind a false sheild of righteousness, using religion as the pretense to force beliefs upon others.

I repeat, slippery slope indeed or as the philosopher Santyana remarked "Those who forget history are DOOMED to repeat it". (My capitalization.)

burninater
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burninater 03/20/12 - 12:40 am
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The key question is this: Can

The key question is this: Can the federal government mandate that a citizen or an organization fund products or services fundamentally at odds with their values? Can the federal government compel an individual to violate his or her conscience?
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Yes. They've done this since taxation began.

It is against your values to pay for bombs that blow up children? Too bad. You're paying for it. Is it against your values to pay to lock people in a jail cell for smoking marijuana? Too bad. You're paying for it. Is it against your values to pay the State to murder convicted felons, even after repeated cases show that our judicial system is prone to error? Too bad. You're paying for it.

I'll tell you what, why don't we make a deal? Why don't we agree that if we are going to respect YOUR crisis of conscience, then we will respect ALL crises of conscience, and let everyone opt out of paying for everything that is at odds with their individual value system.

burninater
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burninater 03/20/12 - 12:56 am
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And is this statement even

And is this statement even true?

"Closer to home, a student at Augusta State University was recently told in class that apparently social workers who object to same-sex marriage would not be permitted to work in anything but religious institutions. They cannot counsel clients on issues unrelated to same-sex marriage; they cannot recuse themselves from cases that put their beliefs at odds with those of patients."

According to the coverage, the student was told that she could not be certified if she were unwilling to counsel an individual without imposing her beliefs concerning homosexuality on them, which she claimed were religiously derived.

I think the incapacity for individuals to understand the fundamental difference between holding a belief and proselytizing that belief is at the root of the current meltdown of the religious Right.

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carcraft 03/20/12 - 03:57 am
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What part of " Shall not

What part of " Shall not prohibit the free exercise there of" is so hard to understand? Liberals can find rights to privacy, stretch the commerace clause beyond all recoginition but can't seem to under stand words written in basic English. Another phrase that has baffled liberals forr years is "The right to bear Arms". Why doesn't my insurance company cover my B/P medication if it is going to provide birth control. Cost of treating a stroke, renal failure or any number of the problems associated with high B/P is much more expansive than a pregancy.

carcraft
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carcraft 03/20/12 - 02:22 pm
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Retired army- The "Dark ages"

Retired army- The "Dark ages" is largely miss named. This period gave rise to great scholarship the start of Universities etc. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Ages_(historiography) , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_university . During this period the history of earlier civilizations was saved. Ancient documents were collected copied and stored. I could go on but you get the point!

carcraft
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carcraft 03/20/12 - 05:32 am
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Ages_(historiography) This may help

desertcat6
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desertcat6 03/20/12 - 06:22 am
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And Rome was so much better

And Rome was so much better before its alignment with Christians? Hardly. The Roman Empire was already in massive decline and its culture was rife with slavery, perversion and civil unrest. Gemanic and Islamic invasions combined with famine and disease did more to contribute to the decline than the influence of the church. The threory that the church was the main cause is just a theory - not fact. History is a little more complicated.

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 03/20/12 - 06:39 am
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retired army you seem to say

retired army you seem to say your religious ideas trump mine since you dont see a problem with an over reaching govt..at one time it was fashionable to lend a helping hand to our fellow citizens...now we are mandated to pay for birth control cell phones and a whole variety of extra stuff that has no bearing on daily substance...it is the liberal that has diluted the constitution of this great country and has killed the spirit and enslaved so many thru govt. handouts..in the quise of compassion but really to control everyone....the right of freedom of religion and to bear arms was designed to protect citizens from an overbearing govt..and the federal govt sole purpose is national defense..it is a legitimate function of govt..providing contraception is NOT..to mix the 2 is wrong

Techfan
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Techfan 03/20/12 - 07:15 am
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So if a Christian Scientist

So if a Christian Scientist works at a business that offers insurance, no medical should be offered. Wouldn't want to trump his/her religious ideas. I'm sure all of the posters would be happy to follow rules that apply if a Muslim feels offended.

corgimom
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corgimom 03/20/12 - 07:45 am
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Yeah, and if you work at a

Yeah, and if you work at a Jehovah Witness' business, forget about blood transfusions. How does taking contraception, for whatever reason, becomes an employer's concern?

Retired Army
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Retired Army 03/20/12 - 07:46 am
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Carcraft says"During this

Carcraft says"During this period the history of earlier civilizations was saved. Ancient documents were collected copied and stored".

I would counter with, during this period the history that was favored by a sect of Christianity was saved, not all of it. Much was assembled and burned. The exitsence of the Dead Sea Scrolls, the recent discoveries of long lost contentious gospels and bibles all show that there was indeed a "Dark Age' of spiritual development. The truth is evident and there for all to see.

When religion is used to gain power rather than serve mankind no good can come of it. It has taken thousands of years for mankind to evolve beyond simple superstistic ritual into thinking spiritual action. Those who would hold to man made ritual rather than true communion with a Spiritual Being of their personal choosing can always be decieved by the personal charisma of fallible human beings.

This is why our communal document the Constitution not only grants the right to religious belief but emphatically states that their be no religeous test for service.

Exercise your religion all you want, because i certainly exercise my own spiritual path. But when that exercise extends to my doorstep or OUR common government you have crossed a line that should and must be defended.

Better we apply common principles and virtues that are tenants of any vibrant religion to government than a basic doctrine of all religions which seems to be "Your going to Hell for not believing my way".

When will we begin to tax the churches that are used to exert political will(on either side of the arguement)?

TParty
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TParty 03/20/12 - 07:46 am
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While people will surly

While people will surly discuss religion, my biggest problem with American health care is this:

My family has health-care coverage funded by my husband’s employer and by substantial monthly contributions from us. This policy has excluded:

• a pneumonia shot prescribed for a family member with a compromised respiratory system;

• eyeglasses for a 5-year-old;

• a plastic face mask required for a baby’s nebulizer.

It is wrong that Americans pay a lot of money towards their health insurance plan, and nothing of value is covered. How can this person not have their care covered for?!?! This is criminal. And it's wrong that Obama is forcing people, mandating people, to purchase health insurance when things people need won't be covered. Plans that people are paying for should cover birth control, medicine to help people breath, and care to provide eye sight.

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Granddaddy John 03/20/12 - 07:51 am
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A mans and a womans sexual
Unpublished

A mans and a womans sexual organs was not created to be used as a toy to let others play with it as you seem fit.It was created for when a man and woman marry to populate the earth.The cheapest contraceptive that i know of is a aspirin,the woman should put it between her knees and hold it there,problem solved.

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 03/20/12 - 08:23 am
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tech-1ST of all a business

tech-1ST of all a business doesnt have to offer medical and you dont have to work there. simply as that. its called freedom!! and again retired army feels that his religiuos understanding trumps all others as the final arbitrator. what does it mean to cross the line??? who defines this line??? govt is made up of people that are bias..why let them decide?? no our 1st amenmendant protects us from govt and the 2nd amendant offers the means of protection..

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 03/20/12 - 08:27 am
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Ms. Dolin, you must not

Ms. Dolin, you must not understand how insurance is supposed to work. You should not purchase insurance for small things that you should be able to pay for out of pocket, such as glasses or immunizations. You need insurance for catastrophic expenses that would likely wipe you out. America has gone crazy by purchasing insurance to cover their routine teeth cleaning, eyeglasses, cold medicine, birth control pills and other expenses that should be paid for outside insurance.

You would save money by buying a high-deductible catastrophic insurance policy, not a blanket policy that pays for every little thing.

deadline
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deadline 03/20/12 - 08:37 am
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If you don't want

If you don't want contraception, don't buy it. If you don't want an abortion, don't get one. If you don't believe in pre-marital relations, don't have it. That is the FREEDOM to choose what you want to do. Gov't protects that right. Gov't told these institutions to provide the service but you don't have to accept it. No one is forcing a birth control pill down your throat.

itsanotherday1
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itsanotherday1 03/20/12 - 08:40 am
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You are correct deadline,

You are correct deadline, PROVIDED I DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR IT! ; which is exactly what happens when government mandates it. Anything an insurance company or the government pays for comes out of the pockets of those who pay into those entities.

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 03/20/12 - 08:41 am
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It's not that we don't want

It's not that we don't want contraception, Deadline. It's that we do not want to pay for someone else's contraception. Isn't that a reasonable request?

deadline
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deadline 03/20/12 - 08:53 am
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Ok Little lamb try this: I

Ok Little lamb try this: I don't want to pay for a smokers chemotherapy, I don't want to pay for an alcholics liver transplant, I don't want to pay for HIV treatment. About 30 years ago, Gov't mandated dialysis to be covered...According to your arguement, why should I pay for someones elses obesity that led to high blood pressure and kidney failure?

deadline
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deadline 03/20/12 - 08:58 am
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Everyone gets up in arms

Everyone gets up in arms about America will have "Sharia Law", but here we are nowimposing bans on contraception based on a religous point of view...

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 03/20/12 - 09:11 am
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No, Deadline, no one is

No, Deadline, no one is suggesting a ban on contraception. What we are opposing is the government using force to make everyone pay for contraception though the new federal health care law that mandates everyone purchase coverage that includes contraceptive procedures and drugs.

Force is the issue.

Retired Army
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Retired Army 03/20/12 - 09:44 am
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As long as force is used to

As long as force is used to enforce your point of veiw it's OK. That's what I hear from the righteous.

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copperhead 03/20/12 - 10:02 am
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If y'all complain loud

If y'all complain loud enough,hussein will impose peacetime martial law. In his mandate he has ABSOLUTE POWER. Think about it. If he had no intention of using it why mandate it. You now cannot voice your displeasure at certain gatherings. Look out,it's coming.

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 03/20/12 - 10:06 am
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deadline-little lamb is

deadline-little lamb is correct ..b/4 i went under the knife after our last child.. my wife and i shared responsibilities. we didnt desire a ban and it never occurred to me that my neighbor ought to pay for it..insurance is to help pay for catasrophic illness or accidents not everyday stuff. thats why it cost so much. if people feel its free they will abuse it..and your insurance ought to be designed to pay for your needs. like car insurance its for accidents not replacing tires and oil changes.. .retire army you seem confused you state as long as force is used to enforce your point of view..its not the people you accuse that want govt mandates its the people who want thier freebies that are demanding force..thru govt mandates..

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allhans 03/20/12 - 10:10 am
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Not all insurance plans

Not all insurance plans include eye care or dental. Those are usually optional at an additional charge.
Most of the women I know don't use birth control pills because they say they make them swell up and look fat.

I actually have no opinion on birth control. Just don't make me pay for another person _____ around.
And leave religion out of this conversation. Your religion is your religion and our constitution gives you the freedom to practice it. Government should stay out of it, that issue was settled years ago.

itsanotherday1
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itsanotherday1 03/20/12 - 10:14 am
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Force is used every day by

Force is used every day by the left to take from those who earned it, to give to those who didn't.

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 03/20/12 - 10:23 am
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You are not hearing

You are not hearing correctly, RA. I am not advocating force. I am advocating freedom. I am advocating that the federal government not mandate what insurance policies must cover. Insurance companies should be free to write policies that are diverse. If you want a full coverage policy that takes care of your every sniffle, fine — just be prepared for whopping premiums.

If you want to sell a policy with limited coverage, you should be able to do so. Under the new health care law, the Secretary of Health tells insurance companies what they must cover — and that's just un-American.

deadline
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deadline 03/20/12 - 10:27 am
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Allhans: "I actually have no

Allhans: "I actually have no opinion on birth control. Just don't make me pay for another person _____ around." Sounds like a good argument for Viagra too !

TParty
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TParty 03/20/12 - 10:34 am
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A pure free market model

A pure free market model simply cannot work in providing health care unless we're willing to let people who can't pay die.

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 03/20/12 - 10:37 am
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I am willing.

I am willing.

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