Obama misguided on energy

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President Obama’s energy plan appears to decrease the amount of oil produced in America because the number of permits issued to explore for oil has been cut by 70 percent under President Obama.

To fill the need for energy, Obama wants to use a battery that doesn’t exist yet, and algae technology that is not even close to commercially applicable. So far Obama has wasted more than $3 billion of taxpayers’ money on these types of pie-in-the-sky projects. These projects include the companies Ener1, Solyndra and Abound.

Obama says that “oil is the energy of the past.” He may think that, but it is here now – abundant in America and available! America has more than 1.3 trillion barrels of recoverable oil! When Obama says we can’t drill our way out of this and anyone who says we can “doesn’t know what they are talking about,” he is simply wrong.

I would rather try drilling our way out rather than have America depend on technology that doesn’t exist. It hasn’t worked for Obama for the past three years, and I don’t think it will work in the future.

David Brown

Augusta

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burninater
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burninater 03/09/12 - 12:40 am
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1.3 trillion barrels of

1.3 trillion barrels of proven crude reserves is SO far off the numbers given by the API, USGS, DOE, and the EIA that you REALLY need to provide a source for this.

And if you are trying to make the claim that oil shale should be included in our reserves, well guess what: we aren't auctioning oil shale leases yet because there is currently no industry viability for developing oil shale. It's too expensive, and no private sector company will touch it with a ten foot pole. Orin Hatch has been trying to get oil shale subsidy earmarks for Utah for years, because the only way private sector companies will get involved is if gov't subsidizes the operational losses. Plus, oil shale development is highly water intensive, and I would LOVE to know where you plan on getting sufficient water for extraction in the desert basins of the intermontane West where these shales exist.

In case you couldn't tell, the sheer quantity of disinformation about the state of American oil reserves makes me boffo, and the ACES REALLY should do a better job of not printing false statements, even if its an "opinion" piece.

And as far as the current administration being against fossil energy development? Are people even paying attention to reality anymore? We DO have an energy resource in abundance, and it's NATURAL GAS. Give me ONE example of the current administration interfering with shale gas operations. ONE.

KSL
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KSL 03/09/12 - 12:56 am
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burn, have you given us your

burn, have you given us your qualifications for speaking to this. I don't see any references to your response. You know, if your were writing a paper, it would be footnotes, uhhhh, proof of what you are stating.

KSL
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KSL 03/09/12 - 12:58 am
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When I post something that is

When I post something that is similar to what you are posting, I do try to give the resource I'm quoting. And dang, If I'm the author of the information, I let people know that it is not just my OPINION.

KSL
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KSL 03/09/12 - 01:09 am
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burn, we can extract oil from

burn, we can extract oil from off shore in the Gulf. Now why is the US not allowed but our government is allowing the Chinese? Why contracts with South American countries, but not American? If it harms us for American companies to do it, why does it not harm us when foreign companies who don't give a ____ about us do it?

KSL
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KSL 03/09/12 - 01:10 am
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Burn punches a time clock and

Burn punches a time clock and has gone to bed. That's why he doesn't respond.

burninater
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burninater 03/09/12 - 01:23 am
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KSL, I'm a geologist. My

KSL, I'm a geologist. My first post cites multiple agencies that track oil reserve data, and I know we all have Google.

Ironically, you and I had a discussion of this EXACT same issue several months ago. That time I DID explicitly give links -- and the fact that we're embarking on the same back and forth here suggests that the time I spent in the past to provide those links was not reciprocated by any examination of the information provided.

And, as far as the Gulf, AMERICAN PRODUCERS ARE DRILLING THERE.

burninater
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burninater 03/09/12 - 01:30 am
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And just to save the apparent

And just to save the apparent agony of not getting a prompt response to such charm ("you have an issue" ... Priceless) -- I don't punch a time clock, but I AM going to bed.

KSL
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KSL 03/09/12 - 01:30 am
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I"m glad you don't punch a

I"m glad you don't punch a time "click."

KSL
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KSL 03/09/12 - 01:33 am
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Oh, you changed it promptly.

Oh, you changed it promptly. Good for you.

You are a geologist. I'd be interested in knowing where you work and what your qualifications are for stating what you put out there for us.

KSL
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KSL 03/09/12 - 01:36 am
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Change that. Your

Change that. Your qualifications, not where you work, or don't work, but your qualifications for your broad reaching statements, since you brought that up.

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 03/09/12 - 07:47 am
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the current increase of oil

the current increase of oil production is coming from private land..obumler still is dragging his feet in allowing new leases on proven oil reserves..obumler defied a federal juge to stop the resumption of drilling in the deep water of the gulf..no obumler lives in fantasy land along with gore yet they lead a life that uses untold amount of fossial fuel..as a leader of their movement they ought to live by example..we are an oil based economy and will be for years and decades to come..and contrary to burn i do believe we have an oil reserves that exceeds the saudis..and we do have coal reserves that exceeds all our current needs as well as natural gas reserves. i have read the reports listened to experts in the oil industry and slept at a holiday express inn. but we have a president that wants us to be a third rate country..we do not need to be dependant on anyone for our energy needs if govt would get out of the way...and we can do it cleanly, we have the technology. and burn you have so called experts who agree with you but we have experts who agree with us..is an expert a person who only agrees with our beliefs?????? most if not all the land you cite is federal land put off limits by the clinton administration..which can sorta explain the lack of leases there..

Techfan
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Techfan 03/09/12 - 08:45 am
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It appears that the

It appears that the exagerated numbers originated from The Institute for Energy Research, a 501(c)(3) group funded by Exxon and the Koch brothers. When your founder and CEO was the corporate director for public policy analysis and speechwriter for Kenneth L. Lay at Enron, you know they have to be reliable. It appears all of their officers have degrees in economics or business ( and one graduate from a Baptist theological seminary), not the sciences. They claim the US has 3.745 trillion barrels of oil, 1.442 "recoverable", then the kicker they don't push- 20.6 billion in proven reserves.

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desertcat6 03/09/12 - 09:53 am
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The majority of the recent US

The majority of the recent US oil production increases have been on private land not government because of our government's reluctance to approve/open new leases. Refinery capacity has decreased - our government is partially to blame for this too. Regulatory agencies aren't approving proposed upgrades and new facilities. Net result, our President touts increases in oil production while our ability to refine decreases. To say this doesn't impact gas pump prices is inaccuracte. Obama lied while gas prices rised...gas production died.

BS Geology/Geophysics
7 years working oil/gas production industry- 1981-88
2+ years working refinery capacity issues in Iraq
47 years living in a TEXOMA oil and gas family

allhans
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allhans 03/09/12 - 10:14 am
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The Fed paid landowners (and

The Fed paid landowners (and I think the landowners get a monthly stipend, also) out west to install windmills, now they are paying them to shut them down.. Too much electricity generated--it has no place to go.
I don't know if this is so, I heard it on an energy debate yesterday on C-Span.
I try to listen when the subject is our tax money at work.

desertcat6
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desertcat6 03/09/12 - 09:58 am
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Businessmen with non-tech

Businessmen with non-tech degrees typically rise to the highest levels in the oil/gas industry, and they hire the best geologists and engineers.

carcraft
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carcraft 03/09/12 - 10:37 am
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desertcat- With your

desertcat- With your background I was wondering what you think is the recoverable oil in the Bakken formation. I have read from 3 to 4 billion barrels to 200 billion barrels. I was also wondering about the new finds in Texas. Then the are the areas placed off limits like the large gravel field in Alaska called Anwar. I know the figures are all over the board. I also know the amount of oil said to be recoverable in the Bakken field has increased over ten times the original estimate and that is a conservative estimate!

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carcraft 03/09/12 - 10:36 am
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I was wondering if Burniator

I was wondering if Burniator and techfan can tell me how many miles the batteries being produce by Ener1 go per charge? You know the battery company Obama played venture capitalist with tax dollars? OH thats right, the number of miles per charge would be ZERO because the company went bankrupt OOPS! Oh bye the way the company (ener1)using about $300 million US tax dollars to go bankrupt was owned by the 75 richest man in the world, a Russian...BWAHAHAHAHAHA Lets bet more money on Obama's green energy programs for rich people!

carcraft
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carcraft 03/09/12 - 10:42 am
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How many Killowatts of energy

How many Killowatts of energy are Solyndra and Abound solar panels now in production producing? Don't forget Obama (to use his words) "Made a bet " with about $600 million tax payers dollars on Solyndra and Abound. Gee I wonder if I would have gotten any of the "winnings" if that bet with my tax payers dollars had paid off? Oh well the answer to that question would be ZERO killowatts because the companies are BANKRUPT!

carcraft
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carcraft 03/09/12 - 10:44 am
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How are Fisker Motors

How are Fisker Motors (producing cars in Findland with American tax dollars) doing? How is Tesla motors doing?

carcraft
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carcraft 03/09/12 - 10:50 am
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Moving right along we now

Moving right along we now have Obama's next big energy program! Could we please have a drum roll while we introduce it. That would be "POND SCUM"! Yes we will scum our way out of high gas prices! This should work about as well as Ethanol produced in America, Ener1 batteries and Solyndra. You do have to admire Obama because he does keep trying...My pocket book doesn't admire him because he keeps wasting tax dollars, but hey, what are a feww billion here ansd a few billion there!

Techfan
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Techfan 03/09/12 - 11:00 am
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How's Enron doing?

How's Enron doing?

Techfan
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Techfan 03/09/12 - 11:05 am
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Nothing screams patriotism

Nothing screams patriotism like hoping all efforts at renewable energy in the US fail. Let's let the rest of the world surpass us, then you can blame Obama for not doing enough. Pure, unadulterated hate is a serious character flaw.

itsanotherday1
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itsanotherday1 03/09/12 - 11:09 am
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"Why do we still post

"Why do we still post articles on Obama "misguided" programs? Obama is not a misguided well meaning soul. Obama is "on target" with HIS programs to destroy the American economy and reduce this nation to third world anarchy."

There is where I differ with many of my fellow anti-Obamaists on the right. I don't believe the policies are malicious. Call me naive, but I believe that Obama truly thinks he is building a better America. HE is just too naive to understand where he is taking us.

carcraft
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carcraft 03/09/12 - 11:14 am
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Techfan-Hoping has nothing to

Techfan-Hoping has nothing to do with it, it is a fact that Obama's "green energy, alternative fuels" have been a $3-4 BILLION dollar bust and waste of tax payers money so far. Obama strutted through Solundra plants and bragged in his State of the Union Address about the high tech battery company he partnered with! That battery company, ener1 is bankrupt. algea technology has the same problems as ethanol production. So please tell me what makes you think Obama's algea programis going to work better? Then Obama has decreased permits by 70% for oil exploration. The discovery of the Bakken Field and fields in Texas is because Bush increased permitting by 70% over Clinton. When told about the amount of oil in Bakken by one of the discovers Obama said "that's yesterdays energy" So Please Techfan explain to me again about Obama's energy programs and why it isn't a fantasy land gamble with American Tax dollars? Given Obama's track record so far would you invest your retirement money in Obama's "bets" as he put it?

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bjphysics 03/09/12 - 11:43 am
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“Since I have been President,

“Since I have been President, we have spent about $10 billion on research….We will vigorously pursue new ways to power our automobiles. If you want to get off oil, the surest and quickest way to do so is to change how we power our automobiles. We consume a lot of oil, through gasoline. And the more inefficient our cars are, the more we drive old clunkers, the more gasoline we use, which means we are more dependent on oil.

And so we have got some interesting initiatives at the federal level to help change habits. One of them is, and it’s probably the fastest way we can begin to change the consumer habits, is to promote hybrid vehicles. You all know what hybrids are, it’s a combination of gas and – gasoline and electric battery that gets the driver a lot more miles per gallon.

And so one way to do this – one way to encourage people to buy hybrids, one way to stimulate demand so that the production will follow – is to provide tax credits. You can get up to, now, $3,400 tax credit when you buy your hybrid automobile. In other words, the government is using the tax code to stimulate demand, which then should stimulate more automobile – more production on the auto lines of hybrids. And the more hybrids we get on the road, the less oil we are going to be using.

Secondly, we are spending money on new battery technologies. See, we envision a day in which light and powerful batteries will become available in the marketplace so that you can drive the first 40 miles on electricity, on batteries,…In other words, it will be a technology that will meet consumer demand and at the same time meet a national need, which is less consumption of gasoline. These are called plug-in hybrid vehicles.

And the battery technology is coming. In order to expedite it…the Department of Energy, is putting out grants. In other words, we are using your money to expedite the arrival of a new technology that will enable folks to drive the first 40 miles on electricity.”

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Bizkit 03/09/12 - 11:50 am
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Even if don't use a drop of

Even if don't use a drop of petro for gas we will still need the same for at least the next 50 years. Gas is just one by-product. Paints, asphalt, pharmaceutical, etc. etc. etc. etc. al use petro too. So I don't care where we get the oil but if we are to stay competitive then we better start finding it or wheelin' and dealin'. I would be the first advocate for more greener solutions but apparently America isn't upto snuff in this area. In the STEM fields Americans are now a bunch of dummies (sad we use to be on top) so we will have to hire more foreigners to solve this problem (to my chagrin). A lot of America's energy problems comes from our individualistic society and independence because we want our independence (and performance hang the costs) more than some altruistic clean green world. Even if we don't use gas to run the car and it is completely clean green electrical it will still need lubrication, paint, etc. Oil is organic (made of carbon just like us)-organic chemist and originally alchemist have been studying, inventing, and using the stuff for more uses than we imagine.

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allhans 03/09/12 - 12:01 pm
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carcraft. What kind of

carcraft. What kind of salary do you think the "Russian" might have been taking from the company that helped cause the belly-up?

dichotomy
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dichotomy 03/09/12 - 12:35 pm
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Obama is a cold, calculating

Obama is a cold, calculating ideologue determined to run gas prices to European levels. Witness yesterdays unprecedented effort to, for the second time, in collusion with Senate Democrats, kill the Canadian pipeline. And for no reason. Without question the Canadian pipeline would be the absolute safest and dependable supply of a large quantity of oil. If Obama wins reelection and the Democrats maintain control of the Senate, without question we will be paying $8 a gallon for gas 4 years from now.

Obama's clean energy effort defies reality and ignores science. Everyone knows that none of the "clean" energy technologies are economically viable and neither are they capable of producing enough energy to make a dent in our requirements. And you cannot power an 18 wheeler with a battery, and you never will. Are you really willing to pay $40K for a car that will only go 26 miles on a cold day with the heater running before it's trusty old gasoline engine kicks in and, because it's under powered, gives you about 15 miles to the gallon?

And when the environmental aspects are posed as the reason, nobody mentions that the environmentalists have never addressed the concerns over the effects of these overpriced, under performing "alternative" energy sources. Two thoughts to ponder. Can you imagine the "heating of the atmosphere" and "cooling of the ground" discussions from millions of solar panels reflecting the sunlight skyward? Not to mention the vision hazards to private aviation pilots and even commercial pilots at low altitudes during landing approach. And some groups are already making noise about the 500,000 migrating birds killed last year alone from the whirring blades of the relatively few wind turbine power generators we have today. Imagine the "bird slaughter" if we actually had enough wind turbines to make a noticeable dent in our energy requirements. The reality is that many of Obama's "alternative energy" boondoggles will turn out to be LESS environmentally acceptable than fossil fuels we use today combined with the ever improving clean burning technology. And they will certainly be LESS economically acceptable.

allhans
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allhans 03/09/12 - 01:28 pm
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How much will it cost to get

How much will it cost to get my car converted from ethanol to scum? Will it be less expensive at the pump than gas with the ethanol additive?

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