Values are under assault

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It is painfully evident to me that this country has reached the tipping point of entitlement mania and government intrusion upon our freedoms.

Now, specific members of the society enjoying higher education are called before Congress to make the case for government-mandated birth control devices to be supplied, free of charge, to female students by their educational institutions, whether or not such a mandate violates the moral or religious codes of the institution. And this outrage is wholeheartedly sanctioned by our president!

Rush Limbaugh certainly was out of line in his choice of on-the-air verbiage toward this Sandra Fluke shill for the Obama administration, but his message was right on the money! If this were Hollywood, Fluke and Obama could garner Oscars for best actress and best supporting actor for their roles in this charade. Unfortunately, it’s a real-life disaster we’re witnessing.

When is the electorate going to open its collective eyes to this blatant assault on our values and our Constitution? The way things are sliding downhill, probably not in my lifetime!

Terry Bedell

Appling

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faithson
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faithson 03/08/12 - 12:53 am
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sounds like a fresh sip of AM

sounds like a fresh sip of AM radio kool-aid. Amazing the embellishment both sides can invent to keep each other at their throats, all for the money... and celebrity.

Jon Lester
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Jon Lester 03/08/12 - 02:06 am
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Conservatives, champions of
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Conservatives, champions of individual responsibility and the marketplace of ideas, invariably find reasons why everything wrong in their world is someone else's fault, or the work of some great conspiracy. Never can they reconcile in their minds that maybe "our values" really aren't the same as theirs anymore.

KSL
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KSL 03/08/12 - 02:10 am
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Obviously they aren't, Jon.

Obviously they aren't, Jon. But then that goes both ways, doesn't it.

KSL
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KSL 03/08/12 - 02:17 am
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At the end of 2006, my

At the end of 2006, my employment of 13 years ended due to a semi-retirement of my employer. I had 2 choices: go on unemployment or become self-employed and start from scratch. I chose the latter. And in my industry, 2007 was about the worst time to start out. I am making way more money than I ever made as an employee. Yep, there is risk and there are huge expenses. I come from a family of generations of self-employed people on both sides, risk takers.

copperhead
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copperhead 03/08/12 - 03:59 am
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Jon Lester,THIS from someone

Jon Lester,THIS from someone that is still crying "it's bush's fault"???? or hussein "inherited this mess"??? please explain.

Techfan
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Techfan 03/08/12 - 06:06 am
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Some are still under the

Some are still under the mistaken illusion that this is about religion. Religious institutions are free to do what they choose. When they create a business, however, that business is subject to the same laws and regulations as any other.

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 03/08/12 - 06:25 am
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techfan--just because a

techfan--just because a person of religion or morals start a business does not mean he gives up his religious constitutional rights. if the laws and rules like contraception etc violate the individual right of a person under the constitution then the rules and laws are unconstitutional..the constitution and bill of rights were design to protect the rights of smallest minority group**the individual.

Techfan
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Techfan 03/08/12 - 07:31 am
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That's right, the individual,

That's right, the individual, not the company, the corporation, or the religious institution. It protects you from the religious bigotry of others. If your religion says blacks aren't equal and you don't want to hire them, you're out of luck.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 03/08/12 - 07:53 am
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It isn't about reproductive

It isn't about reproductive rights-women can already get free birth control from planned parenthood and their health department. It fringes on religious freedom. But the reality it has nothing to do with either -just manufactured arguments to rally their bases in an election year. This is one thing that is finally"transparent" out of the Obama office. It is working which really surprises the heck out of me.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 03/08/12 - 08:19 am
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Tech your right but that also

Tech your right but that also means the religious rights of the individual. If an individual chooses a particular faith then they choose the whole enchilada. If they disagree choose another religion or denomination. The issue isn't with women-all these institutions provide for their faculty. It is about providing to students at a religious school. A thorny problem.Students will still have access to birth control and an abortion. What is the problem?

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 03/08/12 - 08:27 am
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techfan-companies corp.and

techfan-companies corp.and religious instituitions are made of individuals..they have rights guarenteed by the constitution...and the left will use race baiting examples that are not applicable in this particular arguement...behaviour cannot be equated with race...but there are certain organizations that should be allowed to discrimnate [poor chose of word]**not in a vindictive manner but out of organization..ie...girl and boy scouts..there will always be tension between the individual rights and the govt...but outrage by liberals often is very selective for their beloved big govt constantly side steps the law like exempting themselves from discrimnation laws in congress...exemptions from obumler health care laws are often given to their favorite groups...and they exempted themselves..no we need protection from the govt...the constitution is our source..not a wated down ever changing document that our liberal friends want us to believe that it is..

shrimp for breakfast
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shrimp for breakfast 03/08/12 - 08:46 am
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Rush Limbaugh is a big fat

Rush Limbaugh is a big fat hippocrite whose trashy mouth needs to be washed out with soap. Anyone who believes his diatribes I have no respect for. His ridiculous rantings make about as much sense as a football bat.

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burninater 03/08/12 - 08:48 am
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Yup Terry, you are absolutely

Yup Terry, you are absolutely right. The values that find it appropriate to call a woman a slut or prostitute if she believes contraception should be covered by a healthcare policy are fully under attack (and believe it or not, the meaning you agree with is actually more of the essence than those scary dirty dirty words, so anyone who says they agree with the message but not the word choice are just as complicit as Limbaugh).

The tide of change is not on the side of the misogynists. Sorry 'bout that.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 03/08/12 - 08:56 am
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I agree Shrimp so I am sure

I agree Shrimp so I am sure you also hate Ed Schultz and Bill Maher for all the more hateful and disgusting things they have said about certain women. All ridiculous ranters. eh.

impossible
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impossible 03/08/12 - 08:58 am
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Shrimp, it''s a good thing
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Shrimp, it''s a good thing your comment trashes Rush. Had you pointed out the filth spewed out by Maher your ccomment likely would not have been printed. After all, this is a fair venue.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 03/08/12 - 09:22 am
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Next thing ya know they will

Next thing ya know they will start making the KKK accept blacks and the Black Panthers accept white folks. The costs of freedoms are too high to allow these haters to exists. America was once an equal opportunity hater but now you just can't anybody- just hate certain groups. Off limits are homosexuals and women but religious groups and conservatives deserve a good bashing and hate. It is all clear now. I just need to know the proper etiquette.

soldout
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soldout 03/08/12 - 12:30 pm
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What is the correct word to

What is the correct word to call someone who engages in sexual sin before marriage? The Bible is pretty clear on that and folks wouldn't have liked that word either. She engages in sin and expects to be treated like a saint. Without her action there would have been no Rush reaction. We celebrate sin in all forms and expect this country and us to prosper. Sowing and reaping is doing exactly what it does and our country is paying a price for that sowing and no; God isn't doing it as it is a system He began and it works fine on it's own. Once He planted a tree with seed He was done planting trees. Once He established principles and laws He didn't have to re-establish them to fit men's desires. He just lets them work for us or against us. The earth is effected by this load of sin and rebels against it. People vote for folks who promote the killing of unborn babies and expect their own lives to be bllessed. People even spend their money to support performers whose life style would end mankind on this earth. We sow badly and when troubles come we blame others, government or God. Why not sow well, reject sin and receive God's blessings, peace and joy. That doesn't sound like a hard choice to make.

allhans
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allhans 03/08/12 - 09:49 am
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Actually free birth control

Actually free birth control is all about controlling population growth, (selective growth).
And what segment is it that can't afford to buy it for themselves?? Think about it.

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itsanotherday1 03/08/12 - 09:55 am
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"Next thing ya know they will

"Next thing ya know they will start making the KKK accept blacks and the Black Panthers accept white folks. The costs of freedoms are too high to allow these haters to exists. America was once an equal opportunity hater but now you just can't anybody- just hate certain groups. Off limits are homosexuals and women but religious groups and conservatives deserve a good bashing and hate. It is all clear now. I just need to know the proper etiquette."

No matter what the government mandates, at the end of the day people will associate with their own kind. "Kind" transcends race; it is better defined as "culture".
I don't care to spend time with people I have little in common with, particularly as it applies to social mores, political views, etc.

faithson
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faithson 03/08/12 - 10:51 am
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Anyone who cannot see the

Anyone who cannot see the cultural advantages of making birth control accessible allows their 'righteous self interest' priority over their 'practical thinking self'. religious dogma is the lazy man's way forward. Don't 'think' about the consequences and your ignorance of the effect can be justified by 'believing' what ever you are 'told' by those who would enslave your intellect. Tradition is in the realm of behavior, the intellect must remain free.

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 03/08/12 - 10:57 am
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We are numbing our

We are numbing our sensibilities by the use of this word "accessible." The issue is not about accessibility. The issue is whether one person must pay the cost of someone else's birth control device or procedure by force of government.

Morally, one person should not have to pay for something for someone else by force. But legally, our new government is going there.

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 03/08/12 - 11:30 am
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faithsom***i will probably be

faithsom***i will probably be removed but your 10.31am post is insulting and self-rightious. to suggest that anyone who doesnt see it your way is lazy is a little lazy. you may not be a liberal and im not accusing you of being one..but there is no one more self rightous and closed minded as a so called professing opended minded liberal..so if we disagree find and dandy...but dont ask me to pay for our disagreements which is what this disageement is about..

faithson
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faithson 03/08/12 - 11:49 am
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Little Lamb, please tell me

Little Lamb, please tell me the difference between my health insurance covering lung disease, and other medical consequences from smoking and my health insurance covering a women's health issue, birth control. The only difference I can see is based upon a religious conviction, a reason not sufficient to disallow coverage to the general public. We all pay into systems that 'payout' to cover things we don't agree with.

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 03/08/12 - 11:56 am
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If your private insurance

If your private insurance policy covers lung cancer, no problem. If your private insurance policy covers birth control pills, no problem.

However, if the federal government mandates that a private insurance policy must cover lung cancer, then I've got a problem. Government must not be allowed to control what insurance companies choose to cover and what they choose not to cover.

faithson
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faithson 03/08/12 - 11:57 am
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impossible; I agree we must

impossible; I agree we must all pay (and for rational reasons by the way), You disagree, looks like on this issue you lose (health care act). I am sure you will win on others. I only suggest that many are being intellectually dishonest when they do not take their arguments against an issue to the full extent of what consequences may occur in the general public, and this argument against universal coverage does effect many who live on the margins, to many don't want to talk about that.

faithson
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faithson 03/08/12 - 12:03 pm
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The philosophy behind

The philosophy behind mandates is the size of the pool. Mandates increase the size of the pool so that costs can be shared among participants. It's the same argument, I only want to pay for what I use. An argument that only segregates the market, making insurance for many to expensive and thus having them find medical attention through the most expensive of all mechanisms, the emergency room.

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Bruno 03/08/12 - 12:14 pm
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Little Lamb has it right. The

Little Lamb has it right. The issue isn't about accessibility. A trip to the local truck stop bathroom will show that contraceptive devices are readily available a very low cost.
The comparison of lung cancer to pregnancy is weak to the point of being ludicrous. You can get lung cancer in numerous ways. That can't be said of pregnancy.

KSL
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KSL 03/08/12 - 12:28 pm
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Why not mandate that health

Why not mandate that health insurance must cover healthy foods? You can definitely get sick if you don't eat right. Or how about safe automobiles? Where do you draw the line on mandates?

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soldout 03/08/12 - 12:41 pm
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Take government out of health

Take government out of health care at all levels and these problems go away. According to World health organization 80-90% of all health advances in the last 200 years has been due to better sanitation and not the medical establishment. If you are healthy thank your plumber. Not sure what color ribbon we need to wear to honor them............?

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 03/08/12 - 12:53 pm
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Good points, KSL. And while

Good points, KSL. And while we're putting mandates on health insurance companies forcing them to cover the costs of purchasing healthy foods, we can also slap a federal excise tax on unhealthy foods (refined flour, sugar and fat) to add to the treasury.

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