Military treated shabbily

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It has been said that in time of need, God and the soldier are in great demand. With that need satisfied, both God and the soldier are forgotten.

Such is the case today. Veterans in this country have paid an enormous price for the freedoms we enjoy. Now King Obama wants to charge us more for our medical care when the premiums already have been paid in full.

Recently Obama threatened to cut Social Security and Medicare payments if he didn’t get an increase in the debt limit. Strange – he didn’t say a word about welfare payments and support for illegals in this country. Also he didn’t mention using Air Force One for shopping trips.

The Pentagon soon will clean house by a reduction in force, getting rid of many who are overweight. Funny – it has not complained for the past 10 years. It just used them up and spit them out.

I can only hope that all the young people in this country can see how their government treats its military personnel.

Charles P. Schell Jr.

Harlem

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faithson
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faithson 03/07/12 - 01:40 am
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the real question is the COST

the real question is the COST of War. We now have a whole new generation of war casualties that we will pay for over the next 60 years, an economic drain we could have avoided with the use of wisdom in decision making. All I could think of in the spring of '03 was the 'cost' to our great nation this fools errand would bring. To bad peacemakers are not given a more prominent voice in our nation. BTW, i'm a vietnam vet.

desertcat6
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desertcat6 03/07/12 - 04:59 am
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Calling the TRICARE budget

Calling the TRICARE budget cut anything but a bad idea doesn't understand that its based on increased fees paid for from general revenue issued checks to the user group, and reduced TRICARE use due to high fees. Servicemen and women, retirees and their families alone are expected to provide 1.8 billion in "savings" in 2013, and up to 12 billion in "savings" by 2017.

As far as weight standards go, suck it up and get fit.

impossible
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impossible 03/07/12 - 08:52 am
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So, techfan, laws, liike the
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So, techfan, laws, liike the Constitution, are merely suggestions? He should move to MN. There Obama's union thugs can take five folks to their precint and vouch for them as residents of the precint. Just think how wonderful that is - how many precints each group of five can vote in. So many precints so little time. It's the fraud party's dream.

dichotomy
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dichotomy 03/07/12 - 11:54 am
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"The Pentagon soon will clean

"The Pentagon soon will clean house by a reduction in force, getting rid of many who are overweight."

"As far as weight standards go, suck it up and get fit."

Actually, it usually does not have anything to do with "fit". With all of the annual evaluation reports, special evaluation reports, citations, medals, and combat tours, when the cuts start the military, particularly the Army, always result to the same method.....Management By Waistline.

It has nothing to do with fitness or performance. In the 70s and 80s I have seen men who were just built "thick" and who could pass every physical fitness test and proficiency test with flying colors, and who had outstanding performance records, put out of the Army because they were 5 or 10 pounds over the arbitrary "number" and just could not lose those last few pounds. So it has nothing to do with fit. It only has to do with the only management system the military can come up with to manage enlisted men. Yes, I said enlisted men since I have rarely seen weight standards enforced against male or female officers, especially senior officers, female enlisted, and even sergeants major.

Management By Waistline is the only tool the military knows how to use to manage the "size" of the force. It goes away when they need cannon fodder and they pull it out and dust if off when things starting winding down. They don't use poor evaluations, they don't use poor fitness tests, they don't use disciplinary records; they always go straight for the weight tables. "Oh, you've got 3 bad performance appraisals and an Article 15, but you weigh 160 and can run 9 miles and not break sweat so you can re-enlist without question." Meanwhile, "this other guy has 2 combat tours, a Bronze Star, 2 Joint Service Commendation Medals, 3 ARCOMs, 16 max evaluation reports, passed all of his PT tests, and never had a disciplinary action but he's 10 pounds overweight so he's got to go." That's how your military manages the force during a draw down folks. I've seen it happen. Nothing to do with "fitness".

Based on my 20+, I can tell you that the best soldiers were not always the ones who weighed <182 lbs. and had a 34" waist. In fact, their weight had nothing to do with their performance except in the extreme cases. If you don't believe me, take a look at the current crop of senior officers and sergeants major. None of them will get a "you're too fat" discharge. They will be quietly hidden in a cubbyhole at the Pentagon or on the back side of some obscure post somewhere, shuffling papers, and will be allowed to reach their full retirement.

I think the military should do away with the weight tables, which have never been enforced equally between male and female nor between officer and enlisted, and go strictly with a true "fitness" evaluation which includes both physical fitness performance tests and duty performance evaluations. Fitness for duty has little or nothing to do with weight but if that's the only thing they can come up with, start at the top with the generals, both male and female, and work down. By the time they get through the generals and colonels they will have saved enough money to fill the budget cuts for manpower.

desertcat6
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desertcat6 03/07/12 - 12:15 pm
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Fat is fat. I hovered the

Fat is fat. I hovered the ht/wt standard for 22 yrs. Never came close on body fat. I chose to work out and stay fit, and ate well doing it. Fully support getting rid of those unwilling to meet a standard that is easily acheivable and reasonable.

bjphysics
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bjphysics 03/07/12 - 12:36 pm
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What’s the max payload of a

What’s the max payload of a C-130?

CobaltGeorge
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CobaltGeorge 03/07/12 - 12:53 pm
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dichotomy, you need 20 thumbs

dichotomy, you need 20 thumbs up for that one. Your true facts have been hidden in the closet for many years.

Retired Army
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Retired Army 03/07/12 - 06:46 pm
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So, by the standards that

So, by the standards that dichotomy would enforce and Cobalt endorses, overweight folks should go ahead a serve.

I'm down with that. After all, in study after study obese folks certainly do die younger. Sounds cheaper too if we don't have to foot the bill for oversized uniforms, extra meals, double the medical costs, not to mention oversized caskets and two for one burial plots.

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