War against Iran suicidal

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There are at least 10 countries that possess nuclear weapon capabilities today. Over the past eight years, Iran’s development of nuclear facilities has been under heavy suspicion and accompanied by its aggressive rhetoric and hostile actions against Israel and the United States by extension.

A letter in The Wall Street Journal Feb. 15 (“Let’s think through striking Iran”) refers to the assumption by Feb. 8 op-ed authors Charles Robb and Charles Wald (“Bolstering the military option on Iran”) that the United States and Israel could perform effective surgical strikes against Iran’s nuclear and military installations to prevent Iran’s aggressive objective to wipe out Israel and achieve dominance in the Middle East.

A pre-emptive war without overwhelming forces and massive international support would be suicidal and bankrupt our own country’s resources! Remember, we held the Soviets at bay for 40 years with a policy of “mutually assured destruction.” Even radical Muslims don’t want to be annihilated voluntarily, with all their power disappearing to nothing.

S.G. von Schweinitz

Appling

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shrimp for breakfast
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shrimp for breakfast 02/22/12 - 03:15 am
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You know I'd like to believe

You know I'd like to believe this is true but when you're dealing with extremeists anything is possible.
North Korea I would think would never use a nuke against South Korea because they know that would be the end of their country. You see North Korea doesn't have a God protecting them, only an all powerful dictator.
Now over to Iran which is run by not their President but buy religious cleric. These nut jobs believe they can get away with using a nuke because God will protect them. Not to mention their holy book states the highest level of heaven is reserved for Prophets and martyrs who die for Allah.
I agree with you that another war would tax our resourses and without internation support would be very bad for America I wouldn't put anything past Iran when it came to Nuclear weapons. If ever there was a country who would use them if they had them Iran is it.

Techfan
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Techfan 02/22/12 - 07:37 am
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You will notice, however,

You will notice, however, it's not the religious clerics who are strapping explosive vests to themselves. They get someone else to do it. I think self preservation means a lot to them, and figures into any foreign policy decisions they make. Like many a bully, they talk a tough game, but when you stand up to them, they back down.

howcanweknow
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howcanweknow 02/22/12 - 07:46 am
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Good point, Techfan. I

Good point, Techfan. I suppose that's because the Muslim clerics figure they already have a place in Muslim heaven secured, so there's no need for further "good deeds" to persuade Allah to reward them. Ordinary, run-of-the-mill Muslims, however, need all the "good works" they can get in order to persuade Allah that they are worthy. So, these extremists do extreme measures. That's what their faith teaches.

That's a great contrast: the insecurity of Islam vs. the assurance of Christianity.

Techfan
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Techfan 02/22/12 - 08:15 am
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Most of the Iraqi citizenry

Most of the Iraqi citizenry is not radical or war mongering, they just want to live their lives and want more freedom. If attacked, however, much like the left and right came together here after 9/11, their love of their country will turn their anger toward any assailant and they will want retribution.

TParty
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TParty 02/22/12 - 08:19 am
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I thought god is protecting

I thought god is protecting America, Shrimp for Breakfast?

Retired Army
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Retired Army 02/22/12 - 09:18 am
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Shrimp writes: "If ever there

Shrimp writes: "If ever there was a country who would use them if they had them Iran is it."

Umm Shrimp there is a country that has used them and it is us.

America invented and let this genie out of her bottle years ago. What really surprises me is that we haven't had one used on us yet.Given the evil that exists in today's enviorment it seems almost inevitable.

I'm not arguing against the rightousness of our cause in that instance. Many of my fathers generation are alive because of it. But the fact remains that the technology is there and we lead the way.

TNTHOMSON
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TNTHOMSON 02/22/12 - 09:38 am
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If and when Iran gets hit,

If and when Iran gets hit, either by Israel or the U.S., keep in mind somewhere between 250,000 and 1 million Iranians are in this country Surely not all Iranians here are jihadist, but bombing their homeland might cause some folks to get upset enough to seek 'revenge'.

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Riverman1 02/22/12 - 09:44 am
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When are we going to learn

When are we going to learn how to manage affairs internationally? You destroy all your bomb making equipment and say God bless America loud enough so we can hear it over here or all your major cities become glass from heated sand.

harley_52
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harley_52 02/22/12 - 10:17 am
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Mr. von Schweinitz shows a

Mr. von Schweinitz shows a fundamental misunderstanding of radical islam and, unfortunately, it's a misunderstanding shared by most Americans.

When Mr. von Schweinitz says "Even radical Muslims don’t want to be annihilated voluntarily, with all their power disappearing to nothing," he fails to recognize that muslims are commanded by their dogma to kill infidels (jihad) and if they die in the process (shahid) they will achieve a higher place in heaven.

Shiite muslims (the kind that rule Iran) believe that Imam al-Mahdi has been hidden from view by Allah (Occultatiion), is alive today and waiting to establish the twelfth caliphate, and will do so only on the Day of Jugement which is the day the earth is cleansed of infidels and all of western society's evil ways.

True believers believe dying for the cause is a privilege. That's why they strap suicide vests on themselves and fly airplanes into office buildings. They aren't rational enough to fear the Mutual Assured Destruction status that prevented war between the USSR and the USA. We thought dying was something to be avoided. They think it's something to be embraced.

harley_52
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harley_52 02/22/12 - 10:25 am
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Riverman1, that wouldn't be

Riverman1, that wouldn't be nice. Some people would be offended by such a demand.

shrimp for breakfast
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shrimp for breakfast 02/22/12 - 10:28 am
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Yes retired army but that's

Yes retired army but that's apples and oranges. It was either drop the bombs on Japan or loose maybe 100,000 or more US lives in an all out invasion of Japan.. You bet we used them and we saved alot of American Lives including my father's by dropping the atomic bomb on Japan. The Japanese did not surrender so the US would have had to kill every last man to get them to surrender. If ever a nuclear wapon saved lives this was it. I'll stand by that to my grave !

bjphysics
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bjphysics 02/22/12 - 10:30 am
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When did Iranian Shiite's

When did Iranian Shiite's "strap suicide vests on themselves and fly airplanes into office buildings"?

Jane18
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Jane18 02/22/12 - 10:34 am
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Hey Shrimp, tell TParty--HE

Hey Shrimp, tell TParty--HE IS!

harley_52
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harley_52 02/22/12 - 10:34 am
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Those were Sunnis bj, that

Those were Sunnis bj, that flew the planes on 9/11, but shiites have been suicide bombers right along with them around the world.

bjphysics
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bjphysics 02/22/12 - 10:40 am
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harley_52: "...shiites have

harley_52: "...shiites have been suicide bombers right along with them around the world."

Can we get a list of incidents? Thanks.

harley_52
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harley_52 02/22/12 - 10:45 am
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bj, you are arguing shiite

bj, you are arguing shiite muslims have not been involved in suicide bombings?

You are aware, aren't you, that rarely are the perpetrators even identified as mulsims, let alone the particular sect?

Are you suggesting hamas and hezbollah are charitable organizations simply conducting raffles and fried chicken lunches to help the poor?

harley_52
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harley_52 02/22/12 - 10:59 am
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bj, are you familiar with the

bj, are you familiar with the name Muqtada al-Sadr and his Mahdi Army? You do know they're shiites, right? Are you familiar with all their terrorist activities, including suicide bombings and IEDs?

bjphysics
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bjphysics 02/22/12 - 11:05 am
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No I’m not suggesting

No I’m not suggesting anything. I just assumed you had links, otherwise you would not write in such a positive and authoritative fashion. I’m trying to get access to the same facts I assume you have access to.

bjphysics
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bjphysics 02/22/12 - 11:13 am
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Checking Muqtada al-Sadr and

Checking Muqtada al-Sadr and his Mahdi Army now. Thanks.

bjphysics
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bjphysics 02/22/12 - 11:14 am
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Some comedian said: Suicide

Some comedian said: Suicide bombers think they’re going to end up in heaven with 72 virgins but they just end up all over the wall.

harley_52
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harley_52 02/22/12 - 11:16 am
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You have access to the same

You have access to the same things I do. Apparently you choose not to utilize them. There are hundreds of books available and thousands of internet hits regarding muslim terrorism, yet you seem to want to trivialize it. Why?

Yes, it's true the 9/11 terrorists were Sunnis, not shiites. If you wish to make that point, I've already agreed. So, are you willing to stipulate that shiite muslims are also terrorists? Do you have some other problems with my "postitive and authoritative" post?

TParty
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TParty 02/22/12 - 11:21 am
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"...he fails to recognize

"...he fails to recognize that muslims are commanded by their dogma to kill infidels (jihad) and if they die in the process (shahid) they will achieve a higher place in heaven"

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There are so many Muslims on Fort Gordon, and yet none of them are killing infidels. 23% of the worlds population follow Islam- and how many of the 1.6 billion Muslims are going after infidels? Is it because not all Muslims are evil, just like not all Christians kill doctors or going on a shooting spree or thank god for IED's killing soldiers?

The people of Iran are not suicidal and want the same things we want for ourselves and families.

"True believers believe dying for the cause is a privilege."

I saw this priest on this show Hannity had on Fox, saying his prepared to die for his beliefs, and this was in reference to women having access to birth control. Sounds extreme to me. Does anyone ever wonder if Iran hears this? I know they see Santorum and other religious folks in America being crazy religious folks, I wonder if they are saying "Fundamental Christianity is alive today and waiting to establish the rapture, and will do so only on the Day of Jugement which is the day the earth is cleansed of Muslims and all of middle eastern society's evil ways."

harley_52
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harley_52 02/22/12 - 11:21 am
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Bj, there is no greater state

Bj, there is no greater state sponsor of terrorism than Iran. Iran is predominately Shiite. Those are the two key facts here. Don't take my word for it, do a little research of your own.

bjphysics
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bjphysics 02/22/12 - 11:30 am
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Only things I find about

Only things I find about Muqtada al-Sadr and his Mahdi Army involve the use of IED’s in Iraq; does not seem like a suicide bomb, more like a Claymore or other legit mines used in war, just cheaper. Also seems like they are/were a Shiite resistance operating within Iraqi territory; not international.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi_Army

TParty
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TParty 02/22/12 - 11:34 am
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To add to BJ's point "the

To add to BJ's point "the Mahdi Army has rarely challenged coalition troops on a wide scale. Neither the coalition nor the Iraqi government has made any move to arrest al-Sadr. Nor have they challenged the Mahdi Army's de facto control over a number of areas in southern Iraq."

bjphysics
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bjphysics 02/22/12 - 11:44 am
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“At one point in May 2008 the

“At one point in May 2008 the Iraqi military was going to present a display to press representatives of alleged Iranian explosives seized in Iraq, but had to cancel the showing when US experts discovered at the last minute that none of the explosives actually were of Iranian origin.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state_terrorism#Iraq

TParty
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TParty 02/22/12 - 11:49 am
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Ha! It's like that Iran

Ha! It's like that Iran assassination attempt on American soil! Whatever happen to that? Just fabricated fear.

WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH.

harley_52
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harley_52 02/22/12 - 11:55 am
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Willful ignorance, or

Willful ignorance, or naivete? What is it that causes American citizens to remain in denial of the obvious peril we face from radical islam, including the regime in Iran who are both a worldwide sponsor of terrorism and on the threshold of producing a nuclear weapon? That's a question I cannot answer.

There are about 1.6 billion muslims on earth today, by most estimates. Muslim doctrine and canon teach world domination. Some believe it will be achieved through immigration and birth rates, others believe it should be accomplished via terrorism and destruction. If the latter case represents only ten percent of the total (which is probably a low estimate) then the number of muslims who want you dead by any means possible is about 160 MILLION.

Iran is a major sponsor of our enemies both in Iraq and Afghanistan. We find tons of weapons with Iranian markings on them in both places all the time. We know Hamas and Hezbollah are both Iranian puppets, both are armed and supported by Iran, both are aimed at the destruction of Israel. We have every reason to believe both have infiltrated our borders.

In spite of all that, many of us choose to ignore it and worse, to deny it.

Amazing.....

Cdr4500
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Cdr4500 02/22/12 - 12:02 pm
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Because it's not a threat
Unpublished

Because it's not a threat Harley. Every religion has it's radicals...even your precious Christianity.

TParty
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TParty 02/22/12 - 12:04 pm
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Oh no!! There are at least 30

Oh no!! There are at least 30 Muslims in my building, which means at least three of them (which is probably a low estimate) want to kill me and my co-workers!! What can I do Harley?

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