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I found it unusual that in The Chronicle on Feb. 15, Cal Thomas quoted Thomas Jefferson and Patrick Henry in his column (“Losing liberty: How can government’s power grab be stopped?”). Where were columnists like Thomas when African-Americans wanted the same liberties as Jefferson and Henry?

Or, since Thomas’ column focused more on the influence of government and religion regarding Obamacare – particularly birth control – I ask again: Where were the media when many states, from the 1940s through the ’70s, instituted forced sterilizations on many women? Now that’s what I call “extreme government health care.”

Since women did not have the right to vote until 1920, perhaps only women should have the “liberty” to decide what form of birth control they wish to use. I’m sure their decision will not be as extreme as the earlier years of government and religion.

Art Gomez

Augusta

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nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 02/21/12 - 07:58 am
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sir you miss the whole

sir you miss the whole controversy***contraceptions are not the issue**its the infringement of religious freedom and personal conscious..perhaps cal wasnt around during slavery and womens movement in the pursuit of voting right and that why you cant find his writings. but that doesnt mean there wasnt opposition to the status qua..any way are you advocating for another wrong to make restitution for a previous wrong???? and where in the constitution or bill of rights does the power and right exist to make me or anyone else pay for contraceptions??? and if its a matter of personel choice its funny how other people and instututions has to pay for it...

Retired Army
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Retired Army 02/21/12 - 08:53 am
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"and where in the

"and where in the constitution or bill of rights does the power and right"

Umm maybe the power that we the people bestow upon Congress to make law?

Just because we don't like the laws that our duly elected representatives come up with doesn't mean that they are not law until either changed or as oponents to health care are atempting to do, struck down by the courts.

Another point. Isn't it amazing how the right wing bloviators have seemingly shut up about "activist courts' as of late? Witness the sudden turnabout of the Chronicle editorial staff this morning in their editorial about the need for lawyers.

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 02/21/12 - 08:59 am
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Weren't those sterilizations

Weren't those sterilizations the stock and trade of Planned Parenthood?

howcanweknow
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howcanweknow 02/21/12 - 09:39 am
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LL, I believe you are

LL, I believe you are correct. The Eugenics Movement back in the early 20th century was a brainchild of Margaret Sanger (and others) to rid society of "undesirables" -- her words, not mine. She defined this as being the poor, disabled, and primarily minorities. From what I have read, it was quite active in Georgia at the time. It was very much akin to what the Nazi's were doing in Germany as well. Which, actually, makes perfect sense if you follow a strictly Darwinian world view -- survival of the fittest to rid the gene pool of undesirable traits so the human race can develop and evolve to the next level.

Margaret Sanger became the founder of Planned Parenthood, which still eliminates a disproportionate number of minority babies annually.

So, the spirit of Ms. Sanger is definitely alive and well today.

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Jon Lester 02/21/12 - 10:23 am
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The "eugenics movement"

The "eugenics movement" clearly did not succeed, and isn't doing any good now, either. If it had, people might understand what law and scripture actually say, and wouldn't respond so readily to cheap political talking points from the side most responsible for America's problems in the last decade.

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wondersnevercease 02/21/12 - 10:53 am
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LOL...good job
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LOL...good job howcanweknow.....................( the libs hate it when you talk truth)

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 02/21/12 - 11:12 am
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retired army--mmm theses

retired army--mmm theses rules were dreamed up by the sec. of health**they were not voted upon by our duly elected reps. and you need a constitutional amenmendant to make such changes as are advocated by the obumler admin. you should know this..

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dichotomy 02/21/12 - 11:32 am
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"perhaps only women should

"perhaps only women should have the “liberty” to decide what form of birth control they wish to use"

With 40% of babies being born out of wedlock, and most of them ending up on some form of taxpayer subsidy program, I just wish more women would pick ANY form of birth control and use it. I believe the best way to provide an incentive to not have out of wedlock babies has nothing to do with providing free birth control. We have been doing that for decades through free clinics and government funded programs like Planned Parenthood, etc. The best incentive to reducing out of wedlock babies is to stop subsidizing them by giving momma more money, food stamps, and a bigger section 8 stipend. Women should have the liberty to pick which form of birth control they use along with the liberty to not use birth control if they choose. WE should have the liberty to say "you have them, you pay for them".

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impossible 02/21/12 - 11:46 am
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I wonder how many of the
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I wonder how many of the people who agree with this writer about the “then” go to the polls every two and four years and vote to remain slaves on the “now” plantation – the government plantation. If they dislike and/or suspect white columnists, they should read and heed the wisdom of Black writers who get it, such as Star Parker, Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell, Larry Elder, etc.
Seems they prefer instead to remain infected and afflicted with the socio-political strain of the “Stockholm syndrome” - In psychology, Stockholm Syndrome is an apparently paradoxical psychological phenomenon in which hostages express empathy and have positive feelings towards their captors, sometimes to the point of defending them.

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faithson 02/21/12 - 01:39 pm
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Gotta love it when so many

Gotta love it when so many 'wish' for the days when MEN ran everything.

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Jane18 02/21/12 - 01:48 pm
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Dichotomy, I have been saying

Dichotomy, I have been saying your last sentence for years! Also, for all the bums on make believe disabilities, the lazy ones that will not look for a job(any job), and the liars and thieves of food stamps, welfare,etc.. Anyone that absolutely deserves help, I have no problem with. I guess because I know some of these bums is the reason I feel as I do.............(I continue to report them).

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lsmith 02/21/12 - 03:56 pm
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The best form of birth
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The best form of birth control is "self control" and education.

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allhans 02/21/12 - 04:45 pm
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Quote from the NYT

Quote from the NYT 2/18/12
"By the mid-1990s A third of Americans were born outside marriage. Congress, largely blaming welfare, imposed tough restrictions. Now the figure is 41 percent — and 53 percent for children born to women younger than 30, according to Child Trends.

Large racial differences remain: 73 percent of black children are born outside marriage, compared with 53 percent of Latinos and 29 percent of whites. And educational differences are growing. About 92 percent of college-educated women are married when they give birth, compared with 62 percent of women with some postsecondary schooling and 43 percent of women with a high school diploma or less..."

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 02/21/12 - 05:04 pm
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Allhans gave us this quote

Allhans gave us this quote from The New York Times:

Large racial differences remain: 73 percent of black children are born outside marriage, compared with 53 percent of Latinos and 29 percent of whites.

The Times is doing the world a disservice trying to mislead people that "Latino" or "Hispanic" is a race. In reality, "Latino" or "Hispanic" denotes geographical origin, not race. The U.S. Census Bureau gets it correct. They provide a list of races to choose from which does not include Hispanic. Then after one chooses his race on the census form, there is an extra box to choose whether you are Hispanic or not. Thus you can have white Hispanics, black Hispanics, Asian Hispanics, American Indian Hispanics, or mixed-race Hispanics. The vast majority of Hispanics who filled out the U.S. census forms in 2010 chose "white Hispanic."

The New York Times needs to re-do their statistics.

allhans
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allhans 02/21/12 - 05:51 pm
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Little Lamb..I think the

Little Lamb..I think the Times made their point. The topic was the increase in the number of children born out of wedlock.

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 02/21/12 - 05:55 pm
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Yeah, but my point is that

Yeah, but my point is that they mix their statistics to imply that "Latino" is a race because they included it in a list of blacks and whites. It would be kind of like saying, “73 percent of black children are born outside marriage, compared with 53 percent of teachers and 29 percent of whites.”

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peace4784 02/21/12 - 05:56 pm
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It's amazing how
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It's amazing how conservatives like to appear self righteous and above all social immorality. Conservatives like to demean minorities who receive government assistance. What about Israel and other foreign governments? They are not Americans nor pay taxes. Yet they freely feed at the US government trough. Where are the conservative critics of Israeli welfare? Does Israel suffer from the Stockholm Syndrome as well as the minorities? Next, I am certain conservatives are profiting handsomely form the abortion business. I am sure there are conservative builders and contractors erecting Planned Parenthood clinics with full knowledge of what will be taking place once the building is constructed or renovated. Also, I am sure there are conservative printers who are profiting from printing up their brochures. In addition, conservatives like to quote blacks who regurgitate conservative rhetoric. If Star Parker, Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell, or Herman Cain lived in the 1850s and had the same views, they would still be picking cotton on a plantation. Furthermore, if the religious folk really practiced their religion, condom sales would decrease by 80 percent. As it is they practice in private what they are against publicly. Bottom line, conservatives and liberals only believe what they practice.

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