Did Lincoln free slaves?

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Since today is Abraham Lincoln’s birthday, I would like to discuss one of his most well-known documents. The Emancipation Proclamation was supposed to have set the slaves free. But was that the case?

The proclamation clearly says that only slaves in the Confederate States of America were to be freed, effective Jan. 1, 1863. Southern history reveals that Lincoln had no authority over the Confederacy because the Southern states had formed their own government in 1861. Jefferson Davis was its president.

So, since Lincoln was not in charge of the CSA, what was the purpose of the proclamation? I can only guess that Lincoln was hoping that slaves would revolt and start a rebellion. Southern history has no record of any such actions from any slaves in the South during the War Between the States.

Furthermore, the only slaves mentioned in the proclamation were in the South, where Lincoln had no authority. If Lincoln wanted to free all slaves, why didn’t he also direct his proclamation to slaves in the North where he had actual authority? By that reasoning, only slaves in the District of Columbia would have been freed by him while he was president. Washington, D.C., celebrates this occasion every April.

In Missouri, on Aug. 30, 1861, Union Gen. John C. Fremont instituted martial law and declared slaves there free. Lincoln, however, countermanded Fremont’s emancipation order because it did not conform with the Confiscation Act of 1861, which freed only slaves used by Confederates to aid its war effort. Yet historians want to brag that Lincoln was the “Great Emancipator.”

The whole thing was nothing more than a political ploy, and had no authority. What did free black people was the 13th Amendment to the Constitution.

Dewey Hill

Martinez

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Haki
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Haki 02/12/12 - 12:20 am
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Lincoln was the voice of the

Lincoln was the voice of the people. Someone was asleep in 7th grade history class.

KSL
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KSL 02/12/12 - 12:31 am
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Wrong, Haki. The letter

Wrong, Haki. The letter writer is correct. Tomorrow when I am at a real keyboard I will type out a quote from Lincoln about slavery.

Pappy Yokum
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Pappy Yokum 02/12/12 - 01:08 am
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The reason Lincoln declared

The reason Lincoln declared the slaves in the South free in the Emancipation Proclamation was, in part, to discourage France and England from recognizing and helping the Confederacy. Slavery was the issue that made them keep their distance, and the EP further isolated the CSA by identifying it with slavery. This, despite the fact that Lincoln said his goal was to save the Union and not end slavery.
The war was over the right of people to determine their government. The South withdrew their consent to remain a part of the Union. The North forced a government the South did not want down its throat with a bayonet. The question was whether the South could leave a Union where the North had become politically dominant. Being importing states, the cotton exporting states paid about 4/5 of the taxes to the federal government. The North decided to fight rather than to allow the income to leave.

copperhead
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copperhead 02/12/12 - 03:06 am
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Haki,which version of the

Haki,which version of the emancipation proclamation were you referring to? Would you tell us about the one that you read before posting?

copperhead
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copperhead 02/12/12 - 03:58 am
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Haki,is it true that "haki"

Haki,is it true that "haki" is the abitity to sense spiritual energy and overpower enemies?

swcohen
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swcohen 02/12/12 - 05:42 am
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News flash: Confederacy loses

News flash:

Confederacy loses war, insurrection crushed. Lincoln frees slaves. United States of America is well on way to becoming world superpower.

This took place 150 years ago. One wonders what the letter writer is trying to stir up.

agustinian
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agustinian 02/12/12 - 07:28 am
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Why was this letter even

Why was this letter even published? The writer is looking at one tree; the forest was the civil war, 600,000 dead Americans, and the country preserved with all it's residents free. The Emancipation Proclamation was a part of that process.

Every serious student of American history, regardless of their political persuasion, ranks Lincoln along with Washington as the best presidents of the United States.

So Mr. Hill, what was your point?

copperhead
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copperhead 02/12/12 - 08:05 am
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The point is,if a lie is told

The point is,if a lie is told often enough,SOME people will accept it as truth.

copperhead
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copperhead 02/12/12 - 08:10 am
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augustinian,is that ranking

augustinian,is that ranking based on the lie that he freed ALL slaves?

copperhead
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copperhead 02/12/12 - 08:22 am
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IF the civil war was fought

IF the civil war was fought over slavery,why were the slaves in union states not freed at the same time as slaves in the confederacy? Could it be that the union kept their slaves for war production? Amother example of the government's "do as i say,not as i do" policy!

swcohen
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swcohen 02/12/12 - 08:25 am
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Hey, Copper. I salute your

Hey, Copper. I salute your enthusiasm, I enjoy your sarcasm, but I decry your cause.
Our dear Georgia was readmitted into the Union in 1870. We're ready for you to join us.

copperhead
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copperhead 02/12/12 - 08:29 am
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swco,is the ranking based on

swco,is the ranking based on the lie that lincoln freed ALL slaves?

copperhead
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copperhead 02/12/12 - 08:39 am
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And all this time the

And all this time the liberals thought the civil war was over slavery! Come to find out the UNION STATES were allowed to own slaves through the war. War started 1861, emancipation of confederate slaves 1863. A little late with THE cause,don't you think?

copperhead
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copperhead 02/12/12 - 08:51 am
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swco,what would be your

swco,what would be your opinion about lincoln freeing ONLY the slaves in the confederacy?

jic
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jic 02/12/12 - 08:51 am
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What is the point of this
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What is the point of this letter? The 13th amendment, which followed shortly after the south surrendered, and Lincoln's assassination, did free all slaves, period. The Emancipation Proclamation was a defining moment in Lincoln's career in the midst of the war and YES it did define the purpose of the war (Union and anti-slavery) and came with the promise of the 13th amendment. "States rights' is nothing but KKK bull-ony.

copperhead
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copperhead 02/12/12 - 08:55 am
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Same question jic.

Same question jic.

swcohen
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swcohen 02/12/12 - 09:01 am
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The war prevented the

The war prevented the disintegration of the United States. It is likely that freeing slaves wasn't the Lincoln Administration's top priority at the time.

But it was plank #1 in the Republican Party's platform. The goal was abolition for the entire Republic, a point that GOP candidates restated at every opportunity. T'werent no secret.

States of the late Confederacy didn't enter into open insurrection until it was clear that the funny looking lawyer from Illinois, with his dangerous ideas, won the election of 1860.

Anyway, a century and a half later, after much subsequent unpleasentness, we got us a nation of folks of all kinds, all free enough to accuse a long-dead statesman of duplicity.

Want to lay blame where it is truly deserved? Framers of our ConstItution did a crummy job in 1787, not including ALL citizens in this "freedom" thing.

onlysane1left
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onlysane1left 02/12/12 - 09:04 am
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Ok, lets get some terms and

Ok, lets get some terms and ideal straight before continuing since no one seems to really know anything about this. Slavery is the condition where one is property of another for use of work, apartheid is the condition where a group of people are separated of another group, due to racial heritage, religious beliefs, and so forth. People in an apartheid state have no freedoms like the rest of the "upper class" of the state.
Now, slavery was a wide spread unspoken practice in the north that was slowly being reduced from 75% of black being slaves in 1800 to 99% of blacks being freed in 1840s, although every state in the north, except for Massachusetts, having laws on the books against slavery prior to the 1800's. Lincoln proclaimed the slaves free in the south as a ploy and without any authority. The 13th amendment prohibited slavery, but it NEVER made slaves citizens! The 14th amendment does that and explicitly include a clause stating the NO Citizen shall have these right taken away. So, if that is the case, how is it the Jim Crow laws were able to make the U.S. an apartheid country and allowed white to completely eliminate voting rights from blacks? Congress never enforced these laws, which they are supposed to by the Constitution.

So, when I see people complain about how congress isn't looking out for their freedoms, hey, that isn't new, they weren't doing it from 1898 until 1965, when the civil right acts was passed! Why should they start now!!?!?!

This sanity check session has ending, enjoy the knowledge of our great country!!!!

scott-hudson
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scott-hudson 02/12/12 - 09:06 am
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The Emancipation Proclamation

The Emancipation Proclamation is one of the most ingenious legal documents ever created. Lincoln knew a Supreme Court challenge would follow if he worded it differently. By declaring the slaves in rebel territory free, he did avoid any international recognition of the CSA and set in motion the 13th Amendment. The E.M. should be celebrated as the work of a brilliant legal mind.

copperhead
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copperhead 02/12/12 - 09:07 am
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Nice sidestep! Please answer

Nice sidestep! Please answer the question. IF the war was over slavery,why was the union allowed to continue slavery when lincoln outlawed it in the confederacy?

onlysane1left
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onlysane1left 02/12/12 - 09:09 am
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To correct others, there was

To correct others, there was no need to have that laws abolished slavery in the north because they were already on the books, they just not enforced! The south had no such laws!

onlysane1left
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onlysane1left 02/12/12 - 09:10 am
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Hopefully that answers the

Hopefully that answers the burning question!

onlysane1left
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onlysane1left 02/12/12 - 09:14 am
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copperhead,you know all about

copperhead,you know all about non enforcement of laws, because you constantly complain about immigration laws not being enforced. Welcome to how black Americans feel! Isn't it great!!!! Enjoy black history month!!! Happy valentine's day!!!

copperhead
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copperhead 02/12/12 - 09:15 am
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onlysane1left,does that fall

onlysane1left,does that fall under "states rights" or the federal laws? Each STATE had laws on slavery.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 02/12/12 - 09:41 am
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Scott Hudson, if the 13th

Scott Hudson, if the 13th Amendment was easily passed why do you think the Emancipation was such a brilliant move? Professional historians have not shown much respect for this move by Lincoln. Black historians especially. Take off the rose colored glasses.

southernguy08
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southernguy08 02/12/12 - 09:49 am
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We all know the great one,
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We all know the great one, BARACK OBAMA, freed the slaves. Get with the program guys.

augustadog
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augustadog 02/12/12 - 11:00 am
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Lincoln was the worst

Lincoln was the worst President in history. Take off your blinders and look at the facts. It is said, the victors get to write the history. Never has it been more true than the War between the states. Just a few to name:
Lincoln (among other things) suspended the Constitution and habeas corpus; launched a military invasion without the consent of Congress; imprisoned thousands of Northern citizens without trial; shut down hundreds of opposition newspapers and imprisoned dozens of their owners and publishers; censored all telegraph communication; nationalized the railroads; confiscated firearms; interfered with elections using federal troops; and deported his most outspoken critic, Democratic Ohio Congressman Clement Vallandigham—the voluntary confederation of states was replaced with a blood-soaked, mandated participation in a centralized, all-powerful government. The relationship of the states to the federal government transitioned painfully from one of symbiosis to subservience. And when you look at the fact he launched a military invasion without the approval of Congress, this invasion was against other Americans ! Confiscated firearms ! I think the present administration would like to do the same without regard for the Constitution. Do you think the explosion of firearm purchases, particularly in the South has anything to do with this?

Conservative Man
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Conservative Man 02/12/12 - 11:01 am
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I think the letter writer

I think the letter writer could have found a more eloquent way of commemorating the birthday of Abraham Lincoln.

bjphysics
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bjphysics 02/12/12 - 11:23 am
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The Emancipation Proclamation

The Emancipation Proclamation did not free the slaves because it was not legal.

1) For this Executive Order (not legislation) to apply to the States named, those States must be under the jurisdiction of U.S. federal government.

2) If those States are under the jurisdiction of U.S. federal government, the Constitution still applies there.

3) If the Constitution still applies subsequent case law also still applies, which means Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (1857), still applies.

4) Since that decision declares Dred Scot “property”, the Taking clause of the 5th Amendment applies; therefore, slave owners did not receive “due process of law” nor “just compensation” because the Proclamation contains no compensation provision.

Can’t have it both ways, if these States are under Federal jurisdiction, slave owners have the property protections of all U.S. citizens. On the other hand, if they are not under Federal jurisdiction, the Proclamation does not apply to them.

The 13th Amendment frees the slaves by rendering them ineligible for the “property” designation.

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