Restore old-school learning

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I have a solution to the Columbia County school budget shortfall. Get rid of all the electronic toys in the classroom and replace them with old-fashioned chalkboards, desks, books and good teachers.

Then get rid of all the paraprofessionals and replace them by allowing the smartest and most intellectual pupils in the class to aid the teachers with small tasks and helping slower pupils. This system worked great when I was in school. Pupils then learn to read by using books and math by actually doing it and not using a calculator.

Why did the government have to destroy something that wasn’t broken? The kids all loved it, and it seemed to give them incentive to do better.

Donald O. Gregory

Martinez

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TParty
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TParty 01/31/12 - 11:17 pm
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Eh, we live in a

Eh, we live in a technological age today... chalk boards won't benefit anyone today. To fix education, this entire country needs to respect and promote education. (You can't say you do and then cry foul about evolution being taught in school, or that creationism should be taught in the science class along with science- as if it's a viable alternative).

Also, parents, parents, parents. They need to be involved. A teacher can only do so much with the hours provided and all the students they have to attend too during the day. The parents need to support teachers, and invest in their children's education. Stay current in what they are doing, quiz, challenge, and follow up on your children, reenforce what is being taught in schools.

I know it's difficult since most families are now duel income, or families are split. There just doesn't seem to be enough time in the day. However the family can't sit around the tv eating take out food every night, having family time watching reality tv shows for hours on end- and expect education to improve.

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desertcat6 02/01/12 - 03:13 am
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Parents are important, but an

Parents are important, but an inspired and motivated teacher can bring a subject or class to life, and motivate kids to understand, think and learn. I witnessed this first hand while teaching high school geometry and remedial algrebra. My kids went from failing to excelling within a semester. Years later, as I visited family in that part of Texas, many of my former students approached me to thank me for giving them the spark that inigited their desire to learn and excel for the remainder of their highschool and higher education.

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Craig Spinks 02/01/12 - 03:41 am
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ESSENTIAL QUESTION: Is there

ESSENTIAL QUESTION: Is there peer-reviewed research attesting to the efficacy and efficiency of each piece of innovative electronic instructional ware introduced into our state's public school classrooms?

The short answer: No.

seenitB4
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seenitB4 02/01/12 - 04:54 am
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Where is the thirst to

Where is the thirst to learn......we had it years ago....In todays world gadgets have taken over..
In some ways the new generation is smarter .....I sure hope so...after all they will be running the place soon.
The last time I had a smart "geek" at the house he had 3 gadgets going at all times.....he would take a few minutes to check each one....at the same time he was instructing me the ins/outs of this toshiba..
Something was dinging all the time.....nice ring/ding but still it was there....he actually was doing 4 things at the same time...I wondered does he ever have any quiet time.
Does he ever just read a book----sit still by a stream of water----or turn off the gadgets..
But then I realize how addicted I am to this place....can I just turn this off & stay away for awhile.......maybe I need to find out.

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Bizkit 02/01/12 - 07:49 am
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Mr. Spinks is partially

Mr. Spinks is partially correct. There are "studies" by educators saying technology enhances learing, however if you examine peer-reviewed research the answer is its bad. The Google effect -the most notorious- where students know where to find info but don't learn it , understand, or know it. I suggest they go back to blackboard and no technology till they learn the fundamentals and then introduce technology as a tool. Much like my education where first I used a slide rule and multiplied in my head to calculator to computer so if all technology were to fail I can still function. Now we have educators who know how to teach (pedagogy) but don't have a clue what they are talking about. The GAZE exam was modified to be more content base because the obvious disparity in knowledge of teachers. Pedagogy isn't the answer it is the problem-back in the 70s educators adopted a strategy based on the latest peer-review research that the process of science later falsified-so a whole program based on false info ensued. Still you see an emphasis on pedagogy rather than content. Technology has been linked to ADD, violent behavior, abnormal sexual socialization (from porno), and the Google effect. Given the technology of the internet is mostly porn, and what's left is only 30% accurate we have a generation learning negative knowledge or propaganda (as history is being rewritten). Very students are motivated to learn (mostly females). Note the standards for females to enter college are much higher than males because the disparity of academic excellence in our male population. Our youth see an education as a means to an end and focus on the end rather than realize its the journey that prepares you for your goal. I am pretty much disgusted with publics school failures and now the same mistakes are being adopted by our universities and colleges. I am really concerned about on-line education and degrees because you can't tell me it has the same rigor and students really learn with an open book exam in the privacy of their home (where they could be paying someone to take their exams). I remember at UGA in the 70s students had to show their ID to take an exam because of efforts to pay ringers to take exams. Further now we hold the teacher responsible for everything and even fire them if they have the bad luck to have a bad class that all fail. The student is treated with kit gloves and treated like an innocent bystander. You can take to horse to water.........

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Techfan 02/01/12 - 07:53 am
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Why do I get the feeling that

Why do I get the feeling that back in the day folks griped about a slide rule being a crutch for students.

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 02/01/12 - 07:59 am
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Before they let us use a

Before they let us use a slide rule, we first had spent a year or two demonstrating proficiency using the logarithm tables.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 02/01/12 - 08:20 am
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I've had students in college

I've had students in college who have never used a ruler, and they can't comprehend a simple decimalized system like the metric system. I am getting the feeling the Flynn effect is some bizarre artifact-because I don't see it.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 02/01/12 - 08:38 am
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An educator friend told me if

An educator friend told me if you become so jaded you don't believe students can learn it's time to quit. Well I find it's not they can't learn they just won't learn. Now don't get me wrong there are some outstanding students but more and more its the exception rather than the rule-mostly asian and indians. Obviously money isn't the issue, and there are plenty of qualified educators (yeah and there is some dead weight too). Educators should be like physicians and have to maintain continuing education and accreditation to keep their credentials. The student lack of effort reflects societal and cultural issues that I don't know how to address.

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Bizkit 02/01/12 - 08:40 am
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Too funny Tech. Actually I

Too funny Tech. Actually I was very resistant to trust the majical black box (calculator) so my chemistry professor kept a log table just for me-because everyone else had already fallen to the dark side. LOL.

Bruno
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Bruno 02/01/12 - 09:06 am
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I just read an article that

I just read an article that was about iPad's new movement to replace text books. There was a reference in the article about how a Greek philosopher was lamenting that children of his age didn't have to remember anything because they could put it on scrolls. I can't recall the exact philosopher at the moment. I think that there are good points on both sides. One one hand technology is nothing more than a tool. On the other, that tool is a crutch for true understanding.
An older friend of mine was relating a story where one of his associates was bragging about how smart their grandchild was because he or she could use all of the electronic gadgets. My friend noted, "Kids today are just as dumb as we were in the 1950's." (His era, not mine.)
Also, my father's PhD dissertation was on the use of technology in the schools. Granted this was a few years back but he found that in comparing a school with top flight tech and one with no tech the end result in test scores were the same. Kids tended to learn more quickly at the beginning but everything evened out by the end.
I don't think that it is the fault of technology but rather the fact that Master's of Education applicants consistently score in the lowest portion on the GRE. My solution would to be to eliminate degrees in teaching and give only certifications or at best minors in teaching. Granted the following link is from a blog but it is interesting nonetheless.

http://anepigone.blogspot.com/2009/03/iq-estimates-by-intended-college-m...

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Riverman1 02/01/12 - 09:15 am
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For basic education, a child

For basic education, a child need hands on blackboard instructions. He needs to learn the concepts that will allow him to use calculators and Google. However, once he gets past those first few years, online books open the world to him.

One of the biggest mistakes Augusta made was building a brick and mortar library recently. An electronic library that would have served a far greater population could have been created at a fraction of the cost of the building.

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harley_52 02/01/12 - 09:48 am
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I'm pretty old, so my opinion

I'm pretty old, so my opinion should be viewed with considerable skepticism. I went to grade school in the fifties, high school in the early sixties. We learned to do everything on blackboards and on lined paper with pencils. We memorized times tables and rules on borrowing and carrying when subtracting and adding. I was in college when I first used a calculator and calculators weren't allowed to be used when taking tests in those days.

Not bragging, I see a vast difference in my math capability from modern-day students. I can usually figure out math problems in my head quicker than most employees at fast food places and restaurants can do them on their cash registers. And God help us all if the cash registers are not working because the employees simply can't function with a pencil and paper.

I agree with both Mr. Gregory and Riverman1. Get rid of all the whiz-bang devices until students have learned how to do things without them and the teach them how to use them as tools that are nice to have if available, but not essential to thinking and performing tasks necessary to get by in life and succeeding.

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pearlthesquirrel 02/01/12 - 09:49 am
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Glad to see that there are 12
Unpublished

Glad to see that there are 12 comments to this article (well, 12 total, as some commentors have repeated - and that's ok). I've yakked about "education" before and have stated my 45 / 45 / 10 hypothesis on the problem of public education. So, in short, short, short form, I'll repeat it again. 45% of the problem is parents. 45% of the problem is the students themselves. 10% can be classified as anonymous. Students today are bored in 15 seconds. They want techno - they want gizmos - they want CGI fire and explosions. And there's also another problem. When I was in school, I knew not one single student with "ADD." Today, it seems that EVERY kid has "ADD." That's funny, because in one generation we went from 0 ADD to everybody-ADD! I don't have a problem with "technology," but students really don't know the "inner workings" of what they're doing....something is getting lost in the technology integration process. Public schools today are NOT run by the principal and such - schools are run by the kids because we have allowed ourselves to succumb to the "p.c." sap-sucking world mind-set. Teachers today have too many other job-titles to teach their content efficiently. In random order, this is what a teacher has to be in 2012...
1) Psychologist 2) Psychiatrist 3) Baby-sitter 4) Crowd control expert 5) Mediator / negotiator 6) Maybe, just maybe, here is where they can teach. What more can I say other than I mostly agree with Mr. Gregory's letter.

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TK3 02/01/12 - 10:00 am
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Spare the rod and spoil the

Spare the rod and spoil the child turned out to be a very true saying.

itsanotherday1
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itsanotherday1 02/01/12 - 10:02 am
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Dittos Harley. I have my

Dittos Harley. I have my change figured out long before the cashier does.

True story: I was at a hockey game two weeks ago in Pensacola. I went to the concession stand and purchased a $3 soft drink, using a $20 bill. The stand was staffed by some of the local military folks and they were using calculators to tally up the bills. This girl had to use the calculator to figure my change!! She then turned around and handed me $13 back! When I challenged her ciphering, she had to start all over again from scratch; recalculating my change, and counting it out again.

PATHETIC!

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allhans 02/01/12 - 11:28 am
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And...spelling! When you

And...spelling! When you listen to the spoken word you get the meaning, but as a rule only by seeing the written word can you spell it.

Pitchfork-Ben-Thurmond61
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Pitchfork-Ben-Thurmond61 02/01/12 - 03:11 pm
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How about brinnging back
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How about brinnging back SCHOOL PRAYER and GODS WORD and quit the unelected judge ordered social experamenting all leading to sex drugs thugs dirty filthy goverment schools huh?!?

mooseye
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mooseye 02/01/12 - 05:13 pm
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I love to let the cashier see

I love to let the cashier see the 20 in my hand and when they punch it in the register I then produce the correct change. Ha, had one girl that had to get a calculator and still couldn't figure it out so she had to get the manager and she also had to get a calculator. Correct change makes it an even dollar amount. "Go Figure".

Bruno
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Bruno 02/01/12 - 05:17 pm
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Pearlthesquirrel wrote: " 45%

Pearlthesquirrel wrote: " 45% of the problem is parents. 45% of the problem is the students themselves. 10% can be classified as anonymous."
Interesting that you don't put any of the problem on the teachers.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 02/01/12 - 05:51 pm
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Bruno I think the reason that

Bruno I think the reason that Pearl didn't count teachers is they have no say in the curriculum (academic freedom is a thing of the past), then they are held to such high accountability standards by the administration, and finally in public schools the teachers let parents know what their child is doing daily (unlike my day when parents didn't know till grades came out). I realize there are bad teachers but it can be curriculum and other factors as Pearl mentioned. I believe all this often enables students to not be accountable for their own actions or inactions (as the case maybe). I am amazed at the number of students who have graduated from high school and still can't read, write, or do simple algebra-critical thinking skills ya gotta be kiddin. I can only imagine how I would have turned out in the present climate-I gained every degree kickin and screamin, trying to be lazy, etc. But thank God I had teachers and professors who saw some potential in me and pushed me not to take the easy route, do my best, and not try to play the system. To some extent it is human nature to take the easy road. But still I did have a thirst for knowledge even though I didn't care about my grades and I did have a lazy streak. You know I actually took the time to thank all my teachers and professors (who at the time I hated their guts) who pushed me to academic excellence (and my Mom who spent countless hours helping me). It often isn't brains but persistence and motivation (thank my Dad who threatened to tar and feather me if I got another bad report card). I don't believe kids are any different now they just are being enabled to fail.

pearlthesquirrel
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pearlthesquirrel 02/01/12 - 06:07 pm
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Just for the record, any
Unpublished

Just for the record, any blame I will put on a teacher would fall into that "10%" category. I wasn't going to write or break down my 45/45/10 with a 10,000 word diatribe. Rest assured, teachers are a nano-miniscule part of the problem. Parents NOT showing up for their conference time is a problem. Students NOT taking copious notes is a problem. Students coming to school with a "it's social time" attitude is a problem. The only "teacher problem" is the weak-kneed "powers to be" refusal to allow teachers to "handle business."

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harley_52 02/01/12 - 06:26 pm
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pearlthesquirrel said "Rest

pearlthesquirrel said "Rest assured, teachers are a nano-miniscule part of the problem."

Who assigns student grades?

swimmer
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swimmer 02/01/12 - 06:39 pm
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Teachers don't assign grades,

Teachers don't assign grades, they just report what the student earned.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 02/01/12 - 07:10 pm
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I don't believe many really

I don't believe many really care about the kids and their education (they've given up on a system they have no say) just as long as it looks good on paper and passed the right standardized exams (look at all the fraud with principals manipulating scores. I have a friend who was fired because all her students failed-she had no control and the administration refused to help her (she is also a registered nurse) so basically she was punished for the failure of the system. Likely all these kids will finally graduate and still can't read, write, do math, or have any critical thinking skills. Sometimes I wonder if its some conspiracy to keep the populace uneducated for political reasons. Further teachers have to treat every student with "respect" although there is no effort for a reciprocal respect.

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trimmy 02/01/12 - 07:38 pm
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This country may fall not
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This country may fall not because of the lack of military might, but because the next generations of us will be too friggin stupid to hold on to it.

harley_52
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harley_52 02/01/12 - 07:43 pm
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Who decides what the student

Who decides what the student earned?

harley_52
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harley_52 02/01/12 - 07:44 pm
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Bizkit said "Sometimes I

Bizkit said "Sometimes I wonder if its some conspiracy to keep the populace uneducated for political reasons."

I don't think there's any doubt about it. People that could actually think would never vote democrat.

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socks99 02/01/12 - 07:55 pm
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Both IDEA and NCLB have

Both IDEA and NCLB have greatly increased the amount of money spent on special teachers and other "support" personnel. Additionally, while technology, per se, has increased the productivity of the average teacher, this improvement has been more than canceled-out by greater expenditures required by federal and state mandates. Finally, with schools and their esplosts seen as "rich" sources of funding, various vendors -- from building contractors, to SPLOST mangers, to technology salemen -- have conned and cajoled their way into the BOE budgets. Pitifully, we now see some BOE members wringing their hands and crying to the public that, "We don't know what to do!" They are right about that. They are now, and were always, apparently, idiots who has no business getting elected to the school board.

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Bizkit 02/01/12 - 08:53 pm
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Socks. Let me hear an "amen".

Socks. Let me hear an "amen". Sock it to me in my best Artie Johnson Laugh in Voice.

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