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In response to the letter to the editor by Don Turner (“Writer was wrong on Iraq,” Jan. 2): In the words of Jack Benny, “Well!”

Two things to address here:

First, Congress was presented a bill of lies and manufactured “intelligence,” and made a foolish decision to go to war based on those falsehoods. Don’t like the facts? Tough – I don’t care about Mr. Turner’s bad choices, only the truth!

Second, at least Mr. Turner is honest about his opinions and states them categorically without the mealy-mouthed political correctness of so many of his ilk. Never mind that they are about as anti-American and unpatriotic as any I have seen printed in this paper, save those of former dictators, fascists, communists or cultists of the tyrants who have been rightly consigned to the dustbins of history by liberal American patriots and their progeny who gave us this form of government.

The men and women – many, like myself, immigrants, who have sacrificed so much to guarantee Mr. Turner’s right to spout such rubbish – must be rolling in their graves at the printing of this trash by this “servant” of the public trust. Yes, I mean you, Augusta Chronicle editorial staff.

Folks such as myself have honorably served this nation in peace and war, paid our taxes, raised families and contributed to society in many ways. Mr. Turner and his supporters (by implication, The Chronicle) must think that we folks will stand still for his idea of forced removal from Georgia because we think differently.

My dad, about as tough a character as I have ever met in my 64 years, had an appropriate response to such garbage: Try it, bub!

Roger P. Fortier

Augusta

(The writer is a retired U.S. Army veteran.)

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shrimp for breakfast
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shrimp for breakfast 01/12/12 - 02:54 am
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The reason Saddam fooled the

The reason Saddam fooled the world into thinking he had weapons of mass destrucction was to deter iran from even thinking about invading Iraq.
It backfired on him though and now he's dead and we lost 4,000 brave men and women in that war.
I have a really bad feeling Iran is next. If they develop a nuclear weapon then the US will make dang sure Iran is wiped clean off the map.

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carcraft 01/12/12 - 05:36 am
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The data presented to

The data presented to congress believed by Bill Clinton, by the Russians and hosts of other countries. It was a ba bluff as Shrimp for breakfast says. Why doesn't fortier get as up set about the lies Obama is telling, and they are just lies and not based on bad intelligence!

shrimp for breakfast
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shrimp for breakfast 01/12/12 - 07:27 am
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Exactly carcraft!

Exactly carcraft!

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Riverman1 01/12/12 - 07:31 am
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I do think we've learned to

I do think we've learned to fight in different ways. If you are a nuclear scientist in Iran today, you better have your least favored wife start your car every morning.

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tinman 01/12/12 - 07:49 am
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Amen Riverman!

Amen Riverman!

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David Parker 01/12/12 - 08:49 am
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The U.S. better already be

The U.S. better already be poised to take assertive action b/c Amedinijhad is bent on developing/enriching that uranium or plutonium, whatever. If we are going to police globally, then be effective with it. If the focus is energy, we should be able to determine that and have no issue with them in their efforts. If they are working towards arming themselves with it, hit'm hard and early and save us from another Cold war.

Jane18
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Jane18 01/12/12 - 09:28 am
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Iran/Persia must always be

Iran/Persia must always be watched!

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 01/12/12 - 09:44 am
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Hey, don't be so down on

Hey, don't be so down on Iran! Either they are a sovereign nation or they are a vassal state. Sovereign countries should be allowed to develop nuclear weapons if they want to.

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Conservative Man 01/12/12 - 10:00 am
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Any country or society whose

Any country or society whose stated goal is to "kill infidels" or "wipe Israel off the map" should NEVER be allowed to possess anything stronger than a rock..

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TNTHOMSON 01/12/12 - 10:46 am
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Good thing Iraq and Iran hold

Good thing Iraq and Iran hold Barack and Hillary in utmost regard. Don't think they'll be a war with Iran until a Republican is elected president and John Bolton is Secretary of State....

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Chillen 01/12/12 - 11:28 am
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I like Israel's methods. Two

I like Israel's methods. Two motorcycles mosey into Iran, attach a bomb by a magnet to the car of a nuclear scientist/nuclear terrorist and .......... well, you get one less nuclear bomb maker.

They are the only Western ally with any guts (or shall I say former ally, thanks to the community organizer).

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 01/12/12 - 12:13 pm
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Some people never learn.

Some people never learn. United States has not won a war since WWII. Both Obama and Romney are establishment politicians. From a foreign policy, war and peace perspective it does not matter which of these men is elected President in 2012. National security hawks may well lead United States into another war either before or after the next election, this time with Iran, but it won't be pretty. The same manufactured lies about Iraq are now being using to gin up war fever against Iran which is the jewel in the neoconservative's plan to dominate the entire Middle East. Syria and Iran are the next dominoes that American military supremacists think they can knock over. At some point an increasing number of seemingly disparate wars will likely coalesce into what will come to be regarded as WWIII. Even a superpower like United States will not be able to control the conflation. Currently the U.S. is mired in a stalemate in Afghanistan according to the latest National Intelligence Estimate. We cannot win this war of choice after 10 years 3 months because of geography, demographics, resources, and historical imperatives. The era of neocolonialism is over. The unipolar moment that neocons touted as the window of opportunity for U.S. global hegemony has closed. We live in a multipolar world. Get used to the retrenchment of the U.S. military empire. The balance of power has shifted away from the U.S. and the west and now resides in China. War and militarism will never lead United States to either prosperity or security.

harley_52
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harley_52 01/12/12 - 12:08 pm
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Chillen said "I like Israel's

Chillen said "I like Israel's methods. Two motorcycles mosey into Iran, attach a bomb by a magnet to the car of a nuclear scientist/nuclear terrorist and .......... well, you get one less nuclear bomb maker."

I like Isreal's methods too, but I wouldn't be so sure it was Israelis on the motorcycles. We've got some pretty good motorcyclists of our own.

harley_52
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harley_52 01/12/12 - 12:28 pm
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Little Lamb said "Hey, don't

Little Lamb said "Hey, don't be so down on Iran! Either they are a sovereign nation or they are a vassal state. Sovereign countries should be allowed to develop nuclear weapons if they want to."

You're joking, right?

follower
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follower 01/12/12 - 12:37 pm
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Roger, if you enjoy the

Roger, if you enjoy the ability to espouse your opinion, why are you putting the Chronicle in your crosshairs? It's OK for your opinion, but not OK for opposing opinion?

The Chronicle is merely the vehicle to opine. You should be thankful that opposing views are printed.

harley_52
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harley_52 01/12/12 - 01:07 pm
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JohnHardisonRandolphCain said

JohnHardisonRandolphCain said "We cannot win this war of choice after 10 years 3 months because of geography, demographics, resources, and historical imperatives."

You listed some reasons that make it a challenge, but you failed to list the reason we can't win. I'll give you the reason in one word......Liberals.

And I'll even explain it briefly....liberals view America as an evil, predatory nation who scans the globe for nations to attack and conquer. They haven't the first clue (or care) about our National Defense because they believe whatever happens to us, we deserve.

Liberals have sapped the Nationalism from most of us, they throw political hissy-fits when our military does its job and actually fights to win, so we end up handicapping our military with Rules Of Engagement that gives all the battlefield advantages to the enemy. They have destroyed our National will to the extent we cannot any longer win a war because we simply don't have the guts.

He also said "The unipolar moment that neocons touted as the window of opportunity for U.S. global hegemony has closed. We live in a multipolar world. Get used to the retrenchment of the U.S. military empire."

It's that kind of high-sounding, anti-American nonsense that makes it easy to spot an ultra-leftie who is part of the reason we can't win wars anymore.

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bjphysics 01/12/12 - 01:15 pm
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Little Lamb: “Sovereign

Little Lamb: “Sovereign countries should be allowed to develop nuclear weapons if they want to.”

Any country (such as Israel) that is not a signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty has a right to develop nuclear weapons; Iran, as a signatory does not. However, there’s a loophole, Iran can give 90 days’ notice and leave the treaty or no notice (“inserted at the behest of U.S. diplomats”) according to NATO states if a general state of war exists.

I don’t think they’ll leave the treaty until they have deployable weapons because it will telegraph their intensions clearly and remove all ambiguity. Some blunderbuss Americans might think we can use nuclear weapons against Iran but I doubt; China has probably secretly told the U.S. that they consider Iran’s oil a vital interest and, therefore, Iran is under their nuclear umbrella.

Iran’s going to get their nukes (no matter who is President), followed by Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates.

Leaving the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty

“NATO states argue that when there is a state of ‘general war’ the treaty no longer applies, effectively allowing the states involved to leave the treaty with no notice. This is a necessary argument to support the NATO nuclear weapons sharing policy, but a troubling one for the logic of the treaty. NATO's argument is based on the phrase ‘the consequent need to make every effort to avert the danger of such a war’ in the treaty preamble, inserted at the behest of U.S. diplomats, arguing that the treaty would at that point have failed to fulfill its function of prohibiting a general war and thus no longer be binding.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_Non-Proliferation_Treaty#Leaving_th...

harley_52
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harley_52 01/12/12 - 01:37 pm
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bjphysics said "Some

bjphysics said "Some blunderbuss Americans might think we can use nuclear weapons against Iran but I doubt; China has probably secretly told the U.S. that they consider Iran’s oil a vital interest and, therefore, Iran is under their nuclear umbrella."

"Blunderbuss Americans?" There's an original.

I don't know, or know of, any of those "blunderbuss Americans." Who do you hear talking about nuking Iran? I don't think we need to go nuclear to keep them from getting "the bomb." And I don't think the warning from China you imagine would make much difference if it were ever given.

I don't think we'll use nukes first, nor do I think will Israel.

He also said "Iran’s going to get their nukes (no matter who is President), followed by Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates."

I don't disagree that other mid-Eastern nations would seek to develop a nuclear capability if necessary, but I disagree with your premise that Iran won't be stopped before they (Iran) have fully developed the capability.

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shrimp for breakfast 01/12/12 - 02:34 pm
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Einstein said he didn't know

Einstein said he didn't know how World War III would be fought but he knew how World War IV would be fought. With sticks and stones.

harley_52
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harley_52 01/12/12 - 02:42 pm
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Shrimp....do you think a

Shrimp....do you think a nuclear Iran will increase, or decrease, the likelihood of a nuclear world war?

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 01/12/12 - 02:50 pm
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I know you did not ask me,

I know you did not ask me, Harley, but I choose option (c) — stay the same.

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 01/12/12 - 02:54 pm
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Thanks for the info about the

Thanks for the info about the treaty, BJ.

However, there’s a loophole, Iran can . . . leave the treaty . . . if a general state of war exists.

Well, we are in a general state of war against Islamic Terrorism, so building nukes should be legal for signatories, then.

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harley_52 01/12/12 - 03:32 pm
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Little Lamb, you think if

Little Lamb, you think if they have a nuclear bomb they will exercise the same degree of restraint as the current nuclear nations, will not provide nuclear weapons to terrorist organizations, and will not attempt to use it to impose their will on other nations?

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 01/12/12 - 04:11 pm
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Well, we're trying to impose

Well, we're trying to impose our will on them! Nations are supposed to be sovereign. You have to wait until they actually use the nuke before you bomb them back to the stone age.

harley_52
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harley_52 01/12/12 - 04:22 pm
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We want them to stop killing

We want them to stop killing our citizens, to stop deploying and equipping terrorists around the world, and to let Israel live in peace. They have promised to "wipe Israel off the map." Should they be allowed to kill hundreds of thousands of people before we step in?

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allhans 01/12/12 - 04:55 pm
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You have to go way back to

You have to go way back to find the truth about Iraq. In 1998 Bill Clinton told congress that Saddam must be stopped. They gave him permission at that time..so missiles were fired..
When his term expired his team convinced the new president, G.W. Bush, that there was a real and present danger...
The rest is history.

harley_52
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harley_52 01/12/12 - 04:59 pm
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Suggested reading for Little

Suggested reading for Little Lamb (and anyone else who might be interested in Iran's history).

http://www.matthiaskuentzel.de/contents/ahmadinejads-demons

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Sargebaby 01/12/12 - 05:39 pm
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“The U.S. better already be

“The U.S. better already be poised to take assertive action b/c Amedinijhad is bent on developing/enriching that uranium or plutonium, whatever.”

“Sovereign countries should be allowed to develop nuclear weapons if they want to.”

Well, I arrived late, but my opinion is still the same. Iran and Ammadammajam have been gathering strength to make an all out assault on Israel. Ammadammajam's intentions have been clear; he intends to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. Whatever America decides to do, I agree that Iran should be turned into glass, and so should any of their allies!

allhans
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allhans 01/12/12 - 06:16 pm
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Well listening to Leon

Well listening to Leon Panetta tonight sure didn't relieve my concern.
It sounds at if he was saying our country is prepared to attack.

Sargebaby
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Sargebaby 01/12/12 - 06:52 pm
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allhans, our country is

allhans, our country is always ready to take offensive, and defensive action!

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