So now producing ID is OK?

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I read with interest the article in the Nov. 21 paper about the turkey giveaway (“Turkey giveaway requires ID”).

The article said an ID was required to receive a turkey, and there was not a word about anyone objecting to that. But ask people to produce an ID to vote, and all of a sudden it’s discrimination.

Julie Dent

Augusta

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justthefacts
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justthefacts 11/24/11 - 03:46 pm
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The ID should include proof

The ID should include proof the voter paid Fed taxes. One who pays no Fed taxes should not vote.

Carleton Duvall
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Carleton Duvall 11/24/11 - 04:17 pm
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specsta said The elderly -

specsta said
The elderly - many older folks do not have an ID or an official birth certificate. A lot of them grew up in the country, like my grandmother, and never possessed any such documents. Many are on fixed incomes and don't have funds to pay for a government-issued birth certificate, which is needed in order to get a government ID (which also costs money).
My response i:
I was born in 1925 in the country,plowed the fields behind a mule, milked the cows, fed the chickens and gathered the eggs and took time off long enough to get a driver's license in 1941 and have had an ID ever since. For a person to not have an ID in this day and time means they can't bank, shop or do many of the day to day things in everyday life. Also, it isn't nice to call people ignorant just because you don't agree with them. Look in the mirror. It could be that you are pointing your finger in the wrong direction.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 11/24/11 - 06:16 pm
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To vote you should have to

To vote you should have to produce a bank account statement showing you have money.

happychimer
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happychimer 11/24/11 - 06:40 pm
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I have no problem showing ID

I have no problem showing ID to vote. If someone does not have an ID, they can get one for free in order to vote. I remember seeing in the news that anyone who could not afford to pay for an ID could get one.

Carleton Duvall
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Carleton Duvall 11/24/11 - 07:41 pm
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This was copied from the

This was copied from the Georgia Dept. of Driver Services which supports happychimer's comment and puts the matter to rest, I would think.

Georgia Identification Card for Voting PurposeGeorgia law provides for the issuance of a free identification card to citizens eighteen (18) and over who are registered voters. In order to be eligible for a free identification card, the voter must have no acceptable proof of identity to use when voting. These free identification cards are issued at all Customer Service Centers and are valid for ten (10) years.

Applicants for a free identification card are reminded of the following:

happychimer
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happychimer 11/24/11 - 08:24 pm
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People who get social

People who get social security don't have to file a tax return, unless they are still working, and they have to file on the work income.I see some would like to take voting rights away from seniors who pay no tax.

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allhans 11/24/11 - 08:53 pm
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You can't draw social

You can't draw social securiity, get Medicare, Medicaid, etc without positive ID so they probably DO have it already. Most, if not all have had a drivers license. Even an out-of-date drivers license if the address is accurate can be used, I think.
Arrangements such as transportation can be made with either political party if you give them a call.

allhans
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allhans 11/24/11 - 08:55 pm
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justthefacts. I assume you

justthefacts. I assume you mean those under retirement age.

TK3
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TK3 11/24/11 - 09:40 pm
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Having been in politics over

Having been in politics over the years I have witness election fraud on many occasions and have learned the hard way that the election system has been, and still is, totally corrupt.

bjphysics
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bjphysics 11/24/11 - 10:53 pm
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Techfan: “Care to list the

Techfan: “Care to list the "thousands" of voter id fraud cases in Ga?”

tgentry:

“Multiple Registrations

The investigation has come about due to a report by TV news stations in Atlanta, Orlando, Tampa, and Cincinnati who compared voter rolls in Georgia with those in Florida and Ohio. The investigative journalists found more than 100,000 names that appear to be registered in more than one state.[1]

Georgia’s master record of voters has 42,000 people on it who are also apparently registered in Florida, according to WSBTV.com. At least four instances of double voting have been uncovered already.[1]”

It is against the law to vote in a state that is not your primary residence; however, it is not against the law to be registered to vote in more than one state as long as your registration to vote in that state was legal at the time of registration. Consider this: How does a person unregister to vote?

Part of tgentry’s response addresses voter registration (but not illegal voter registration) and four events cleverly referred to as “double voting” – an accurate but incomplete description, note no claim is made these people showed up at the polls twice, once disguised as Bugs Bunny and later as Daffy Duck. The omission of detail (probably motivated by partisan leanings) suggests absentee ballot fraud.

How would photo-voter ID solve this?

bjphysics
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bjphysics 11/24/11 - 11:11 pm
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I’m registered to vote in

I’m registered to vote in Florida, Washington State, and Massachusetts.

With the exception of 2000, I voted in person in Florida, Washington State, and Massachusetts. In 2000 I had to attend a NATO technology conference which was scheduled well in advance of the Presidential election so I requested an absentee ballot. I never requested another absentee ballot from Florida and they never sent me one. I voted in person in Washington State in 2002 but when I moved to Boston in 2004 I thought I might need to vote in WA because I might not meet the residency requirements to vote in MA.

In September 2004, Washington State sent my absentee ballot to Boston. Before I filled it out, I determined that I met the residency requirements to vote in MA so I registered and voted in mA that year and ignored the absentee ballot from WA.

In 2006, WA sent me another absentee ballot (their system must be on auto-pilot). I contacted WA by phone and told them I was now a permanent resident of MA so don’t send me anymore WA absentee ballots. In 2008 WA sent me another absentee ballot; this time I called them and asked if there was a form they could me to unregister and they said no. I then asked them who I should write a letter to and they gave me the name and address of the King County Supervisor of Elections. I wrote a letter telling the King County Supervisor of Elections to remove my name from their voting rolls.
In 2010 I received another absentee ballot from Washington State.

Riddle or Google me this Batman: How does a person unregister to vote?

Riddle or Google me this Batman: How would voter ID solve absentee ballot fraud?

specsta
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specsta 11/25/11 - 12:06 am
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It's interesting that my

It's interesting that my comment was removed...

Truth Matters
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Truth Matters 11/25/11 - 05:44 am
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It is interesting that first

It is interesting that first the argument was that all should have a photo ID, later someone posted that one must produce a bank statement to prove having money in the bank, another said one should have to prove one pays federal taxes. Can't wait until someone proposes that one must be legally blond with legal blue eyes (not bleach or contact lenses) in order to vote. See what a slippery slope we are on. This may sound nutty but if enough "nutty" people get elected to office who hold these "nutty" views, it could all become law. We only need to look at the Tea Party and Grover Norquist influence on conservatives to see how otherwise reasonable people can be bullied into doing the unthinkable.

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Riverman1 11/25/11 - 05:58 am
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TruthMatters, that was me who

TruthMatters, that was me who said you should prove you have money in the bank to vote. If you don't like that prove you own at least 100 acres of land and 5 or more slaves.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 11/25/11 - 06:42 am
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BJPhys asked, "How does a

BJPhys asked, "How does a person unregister to vote?"

Send them a note saying you are now a Republican and they will stop sending you ballots.

Truth Matters
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Truth Matters 11/25/11 - 06:43 am
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@Riverman1: I take it you

@Riverman1:
I take it you agree with me?!?

Riverman1
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Riverman1 11/25/11 - 06:46 am
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TruthMatters, I'll agree with

TruthMatters, I'll agree with you, if you agree to a poll tax and literacy test.

bjphysics
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bjphysics 11/25/11 - 06:55 am
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Techfan: “Care to list the

Techfan: “Care to list the "thousands" of voter id fraud cases in Ga?”

tgentry

“Those arrested on Tuesday, December 21, 2010, on warrants obtained by the GBI are as follows:

NANCY DENNARD, LATASHIA HEAD, LULA SMART APRIL PROCTOR, KECHIA HARRISON, LINDA TROUTMAN, ELIZABETH THOMAS, SANDRA CODY, ANGELA BRYANT….of Violation of Procedure for Voting by Absentee Ballot

ROBERT DENNARD, 37 years of age – 606 North Warren Street, Quitman - Three(3) counts of Unlawful Possession of Ballots.”

Again, the cases cited do not cover voter ID fraud, its absentee ballot fraud; Techfan’s original request remains unanswered.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 11/25/11 - 07:00 am
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Yeah, you could do away with

Yeah, you could do away with all voter ID's if you have a literacy test administered by a graduate of an accredited Richmond County high school or HS grad of whatever county you live in. The test should be reading parts of the Constitution in English without a foreign accent of any kind. That and a $20 poll tax should do it.

Carleton Duvall
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Carleton Duvall 11/25/11 - 08:05 am
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RM1, The poll tax and the

RM1, The poll tax and the literacy test were both tried years ago. The SCOTUS said that was not nice and struck it down. I am sure you remember that.

Carleton Duvall
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Carleton Duvall 11/25/11 - 08:10 am
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BJ, You don't need a list

BJ, You don't need a list about voter fraud. All you need is an understanding of human nature. I remember a local election during the late 30s that had a very light voter turn out. It was determined later that more dead people had voted than the actual turn out .Voter fraud. NAH!

allhans
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allhans 11/25/11 - 02:43 pm
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Honesty plays a big role in

Honesty plays a big role in voting.
Photo ID does wonders to control fraud, a photo ID has your address. If the address is not correct you are given a ballot, on the order of an absentee, which is not counted until the address is verified. It SHOULD be working.
If the election is close then all the ballots done by hand are checked out and a decision is made. At least that is how it's done in Richmond County. If the numbers are such that they wouldn't matter anyhow, they are discarded.

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