We must not tolerate sin

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Those who commit or tolerate sin wish others to tolerate rather than condemn their sin.

The head of the Richmond County Democratic Party writes of tolerance for partisan and illegal actions by President Obama out of respect for the office of the president of the United States. The reader only has to read his letters and guest columns from 2001 to 2008 to expose his hypocrisy.

The same hypocrisy is rampant among “pro-choice” and “pro-homosexual” advocates. They ask for tolerance while murders and sodomies are committed. But true believers are to expose “deeds of the flesh” listed in the Book of Galatians. We are warned of the death spiral waiting for those who practice sin.

Consider a secular defense of marriage between a man and a woman. The Census collects far more information than it is legally required to collect. Consider their data on poverty and unemployment. A significant sample of 75 million families reveals that families headed by a man and a woman are least likely to be poor. A single parent – even if college-educated – is much more likely to be poor. A girl who gets pregnant and drops out of school usually condemns herself to a lifetime of poverty. She likely will be a parasite on productive Americans, but she can vote for politicians who offer her help – food, rent, health care, money, etc.!

It is not sin for a man to prefer the friendship of men or for a woman to prefer the friendship of women. It is sin when the sexual barrier is crossed. This is no different than married people having sex with anyone other than their spouses. Both homosexuality and adultery are equal abominations to the Lord.

As we turn away from our Judeo-Christian foundation, we lose the moral anchor that has allowed us to be a nation of laws and thereby prosper. Now everyone wants to be like God, deciding right and wrong and doing what is right in their own eyes. That should sound familiar.

Chuck Tatum, Th.D.

North Augusta, S.C.

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faithson
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faithson 11/22/11 - 12:46 am
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Thank you Chuck, I was kinda

Thank you Chuck, I was kinda worried you may have fallen in with the OWS crowd. Glad to see things didn't, haven't and won't change for you. This life is only a bridge to another life which is itself a bridge to another life and on and on and on... I am sorry to see that you, Chuck, have gotten stuck on this bridge, which to my way of thinking IS an Abomination.

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copperhead 11/22/11 - 07:39 am
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What happened to

What happened to "understanding and tolerance"? Y'all please make up your minds on what you wamt. Y'all flip-flop every 15 or 20 minutes. Pick one side and stick to it.

david jennings
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david jennings 11/22/11 - 08:05 am
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We will just say I am not a

We will just say I am not a Christian, not a very good one anyway. I don't see equating military losses as the same as abortion. I don't have the wisdom to comdemn those whose behavior offends me. I have plenty of sympathy for the unfortunate but little for those who won't help themselves. I guess everyone is right in thier own eyes.
I do not see how anyone can argue with the Ten Commandments. Following them requires sacrafice,not just living any way that feels good.If I have to choose between the Christian Right and the If it makes you feel good Do it Left, well , let me say I'm sticking to God' Wisdom everytime.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 11/22/11 - 08:22 am
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copperhead, I believe there

copperhead, I believe there is a big difference in tolerating something and accepting it as permissible. Christians tolerate a lot in this world but that doesn't mean we have to accept sin as okay.

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Bizkit 11/22/11 - 08:30 am
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Jesus told slaves to be good

Jesus told slaves to be good slave, he addressed homosexuality numerous times, he never addressed abortion (although it was prevalent at the time). God nor Christ never spoke out against wealth but the love it-the same is true for the love of food, etc. The idea is you are only suppose to worship God. The bible states that even good deeds are rags before God unless done in the right Spirit. In other words christians never do good deeds, only Christ in them allows the good to flow. If you really note most of the Old Testament figures were wealthy-Moses, David, Solomon, etc. God blessed them with their wealth. Christ said give Caesar his due not in approval but that it doesn't matter-don't sweat the small stuff. Christianity isn't about a religion but about a relationship with the triune "God". Christ came to tear down the curtain that only allowed the Levites to enter so all could converse with God. You should try it. Believe me it shocked the heck outta me when he answered (figuratively speaking). Christ teaches you how to find peace in a tumultuous world-he doesn't promise happiness but in fact just the opposite you will likely receive trouble for your faith. It isn't about God serving us or meeting our demands, but really to turn all of us into slaves for mankind where we serve rather than be served. For most people it is "it is all about me", if that is the case then christianity isn't for you. I'm surprised so many flock to a religion that promises trouble, encourages conviction,promotes altruism, and attitude of servitude. Maybe Buddhism is for you. Where the answer is "within" . The only caveat in my experience is we are all like an island and if you don't bring it there you won't find it there either. So I dont' expect to find the answer somewhere hidden in my mind. Jeez.

TParty
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TParty 11/22/11 - 08:43 am
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I didn't know Jesus compared

I didn't know Jesus compared the poor to parasites.

I also didn't know Jesus condemned homosexuality. I thought there was something about Jesus loving everyone... I can't remember.

allhans
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allhans 11/22/11 - 08:51 am
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It's hard to understand the

It's hard to understand the Bible if you don't know God.

Techfan
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Techfan 11/22/11 - 09:02 am
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Please provide a list of the

Please provide a list of the verses where Jesus mentioned homosexuality.

TParty
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TParty 11/22/11 - 09:03 am
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I like when disaster and

I like when disaster and tragedy happens, or people lose family members- especially children, and they cry out, "Why god?!" and the replies are almost always "He has a plan, we just don't know it."

Of course- unless you know god, then you won't understand the words in the bible.

This is circular logic, which is explained by conservpeida "Muslims also use circular logic to defend the Qur'an. They argue that the Qur'an is true because it is the Word of Allah, that it is the Word of Allah because it says so, and that we can rely on it because it is true. This is completely different from why the Bible is true."

InChristLove
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InChristLove 11/22/11 - 09:08 am
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TParty, yes God spoke against

TParty, yes God spoke against homosexuality and all other sexual immoralities. Sorry you didn't know that. Since, "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness," 2 Timothy 3:16, then God had a lot to say about sexual immorality.

And if scripture is useful for teching, rebuking, correcting and training then there is some judging going on.

There is a difference in judging or discerning sinful behavior and being judgemental against someone. "Do not judge" refers to being unfair to people solely because they are different and is ego based. You are being judgemental of someone when it makes you feel superior to them.

Using our judgment or discernment for correcting negative influences in our lives, including people, is a necessary process for our emotional, mental, spiritual and physical health. How are we to live righteously if we can not discern between good and evil? How do we know who is a child of God and who is lost if we can not use our judgement and discern by conduct and what comes out of the mouth?

We can and should judge behavior without being judgemental of the person. Most times we fail miserably in doing so but this is the context of Matthew 7:1.

Techfan
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Techfan 11/22/11 - 09:15 am
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Again, please provide a list

Again, please provide a list of the verses where Jesus mentioned homosexuality.

TParty
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TParty 11/22/11 - 09:24 am
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InChristLove- I'm with

InChristLove-

I'm with Techfan, where does Jesus mention homosexuality. I know where it's at in the old Testament, but I'm told those laws don't matter anymore because Jesus died for our sins- it's the reason wearing clothing made of two different fibers is no longer worthy a stoning, or killing people for eating shellfish and pork.

What does Jesus say? I know he talks about the poor in a good way, not in a parasite way the letter writer mention.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 11/22/11 - 09:31 am
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Techfan, Leviticus 18:22 -

Techfan, Leviticus 18:22 - "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable." (NIV)
Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

God Jehovah stated it is detestable and punishable by death. Thankfully though, by the death of His Son on the cross, we no longer have to pay the death penalty for sin and can be forgiven. Forgiveness does not mean that the conduct is no longer sinful.

Techfan
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Techfan 11/22/11 - 09:38 am
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Leviticus in it's current

Leviticus in it's current form probably came about around 300-500 BCE, or if you count the original ideas as being from Moses you're looking at around 1200-1300 BCE. Jesus was born a few years after. Cherry picking the Old Testament again.

allhans
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allhans 11/22/11 - 09:40 am
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We are evidently failing in

We are evidently failing in our teachings if people aren't being taught as children the difference in a male and female body.
Why did God's in his plan have a male and female. Why not one sex and be done with it?
Of course to use that logic, you must first believe in God, which I assume is the problem in the beginning, so nothing for me here..

TParty
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TParty 11/22/11 - 09:44 am
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InChristLove- Other rules

InChristLove-

Other rules from Leviticus: Don't have a variety of crops on the same field.(Leviticus 19:19)
Don't wear clothes made of more than one fabric (Leviticus 19:19)
Don't cut your hair nor shave. (Leviticus 19:27)

All the diet laws?

Do you believe in Deuteronomy 22:28-29?

Techfan
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Techfan 11/22/11 - 09:45 am
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Why have some animals that

Why have some animals that can change gender?

Techfan
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Techfan 11/22/11 - 09:46 am
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Still waiting on the verses

Still waiting on the verses where Jesus mentioned homosexuality.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 11/22/11 - 09:47 am
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TParty, Matthew 19:1-8,

TParty, Matthew 19:1-8, Romans 1:18-32, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, Galations 5:19, Ephesians 5:3-7, Colossians 3:5-7, 1 Timothy 1-10, Titus 1:16, Jude 1:4, 7, 19, and Revelations 21:27
http://www.witnessfortheworld.org/homont.html

How about do some scriptural reading if you and Techfan really want to know what the Bible states about all aspects of sexual immorality. Scripture was inspired by God so if you still don't believe God said it, I can't be of further assistance. You just choose not to believe truth and nothing anyone can show or say to you will make a difference.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 11/22/11 - 09:50 am
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Techfan, Since God the

Techfan, Since God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are One.......If God said it, Jesus said it.

Techfan
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Techfan 11/22/11 - 09:50 am
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Letters from Paul (or one of

Letters from Paul (or one of Paul's followers, depending on which historical research you believe), and a dream by John? Where did Jesus even mention the word?

Techfan
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Techfan 11/22/11 - 09:52 am
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So in the Garden of

So in the Garden of Gethsemane, Jesus was praying to himself.

Techfan
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Techfan 11/22/11 - 09:57 am
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"Saying, Father, if thou be

"Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done". Sure sounds like Jesus is speaking to another entity.

allhans
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allhans 11/22/11 - 10:03 am
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Tech..If you really want to

Tech..If you really want to know, do this: Research Sodom and Jesus and then find and carefully read all the scriptures relative to that. I think you will find what you are looking for.

Techfan
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Techfan 11/22/11 - 10:09 am
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I don't recall Jesus being at

I don't recall Jesus being at Sodom. Again, you're a couple of thousand years BCE.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 11/22/11 - 10:26 am
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To understand Jesus as God on

To understand Jesus as God on earth praying to His Father in heaven, we need to realize that the eternal Father and the eternal Son had an eternal relationship before Jesus took upon Himself the form of a man. When Jesus, the eternal Son of God, took upon Himself sinless humanity He also took on the form of a servant, giving up His heavenly glory. Jesus Christ was no less God on earth when praying to His Father in heaven.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 11/22/11 - 10:29 am
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Jesus said, “And you,

Jesus said, “And you, Capernaum, who are exalted to heaven, will be brought down to Hades; for if the mighty works which were done in you had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. But I say to you that it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment than for you.” (Matt 11:23-24; Luke 4:31-41).

Techfan, allhans said research Sodom and Jesus, not Jesus at Sodom. Jesus was comparing the sexual sins at Capernaum to those that brought Sodom down.

follower
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follower 11/22/11 - 10:33 am
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Guys, Jesus came to fulfill

Guys, Jesus came to fulfill the law, not to abolish the law. Certain passages in the OT [clearly identified] are speaking directly to the Israelites in order to set them apart as a Holy and Righteous people.

Taking any single verse without context is no different than the sound bites used in today's political ads to discredit a candidate.

The question of who, what, why, when, and where, are of utmost importance to understand scripture, along with a heart that is seeking truth, aided by the Holy Spirit. Romans 1:18-20 says, "For the wrath of God is revealed from Heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousnes of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For His invisible attributes, namely, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse."

The Bible is much more than a literary work. As ICL pointed out, it is the inspired mind of God, given to man, and preserved for our benefit.
No other work of antiquity has the support [over 24,000 found documents for the NT alone, not counting the Dead Sea Scrolls] that the Bible has. People believe Homer wrote the Iliad and Odessy, yet as the most authenticated pieces of work other than the Bible, there are only 643 documents to prove there was the person, Homer.

Of all the historical figures, Jesus Christ is by far the most reveered, and at the same time, the most hated, just as prophecied. Does it cause one to wonder why?

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howcanweknow 11/22/11 - 02:59 pm
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Techfan, you're being

Techfan, you're being purposefully obtuse. You know very well we've had discussions like this for months (probably years). You've heard the answers, but choose never to listen. You just keep asking the same questions that have been answered countless times before.

The Bible does not provide a direct quotation of Jesus commenting on homosexuality. But, the Bible also admits it is not exhaustive concerning Jesus' words. No joke. How could it be?

What we do have are several very direct condemnations of homosexuality in the remainder of the New Testament. Romans 1 and Jude come to mind as good examples. So, biblical condemnation of homosexuality is indeed from cover to cover.

Jesus condemned immorality. The Bible clearly states that homosexuality is immoral. Therefore, logically, Jesus indirectly condemned homosexuality. Maybe even directly, although it's not written for us. We just can't say.

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burninater 11/22/11 - 03:03 pm
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"Now everyone wants to be

"Now everyone wants to be like God, deciding right and wrong and doing what is right in their own eyes. That should sound familiar."

Yes, it should, especially to people that take a book written by other people and try to pretend it's the "Word" of "God".

People have been making up their own morality since people have existed. The Bible is no different. When you use it to claim to speak for a God, you are doing exactly what you accuse others of doing.

At least those others have the guts to say their morality DOESN'T come from a God, but from societal consensus. Accusing humanists of making themselves God is a lie. It's the people that claim to speak with God's words that are making themselves into gods.

There is as much evidence that Sharia came from God as that Judeo-Christian morals came from God. Why not embrace that too? Same moral "authority" ...

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