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The promise of America has always been that you can be as successful as your ingenuity, ambition and energy will take you.

The view America is getting from the media of the movement called Occupy Wall Street is colored by the media’s left-leaning bias. They portray these demonstrators as normal American citizens who are simply outraged at the wealth of achieving individuals. Perhaps a few demonstrators are genuine, but the rest are Marxists, anarchists, communists or all the above!

Their mission is to destroy capitalism, plain and simple. They are all part of an international movement intent on doing just that. A recent poll conducted among these demonstrators finds that most are politically motivated; have been involved in demonstrations before; and all but 15 percent are employed! Some who are announcing support for them are the Communist Party USA, the American Nazi Party, the Iranian government, the government of Venezuela, the University of London Marxist Society, the Democratic National Committee, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and the president of the United States!

This movement is being financed by George Soros, an archenemy of America; by the former organization ACORN; and by labor unions. Advertising in New York City for persons to join the demonstrations, they offer a salary of $350 to $600 per week, while in Chicago, they are paying $22 per hour plus overtime! To be accepted for employment the only criteria is a person must be articulate and confrontational.

Our president seems more than pleased to pit one group of Americans against another. In his community organizer mode, he arranged similar protests in 1988, so now he winks at them and offers his support in an effort to further divide the country!

Robert Smock

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painfully honest
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painfully honest 11/19/11 - 01:07 am
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I can't believe the Augusta
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I can't believe the Augusta Chronicle published an article with so much false information. The President is no more interested in supporting the OWS movement then he is in supporting the Tea Party movement. I would love to see where Bob is getting his information from.

How in the world do you figure that the President is trying to divide the country? Is it because he want's the wealthy to start paying the same percentage of taxes on their income as the middle class? Is it because he want's all of the Bush era tax breaks for the wealthy to expire?

The OWS movement is dangerous, borderline terroristic and in my humble opinion, should be treated as such. At some point, this country is going to have to realize that trusting CEO's and Business owners with labor regulations is dangerous for the working class. There HAS to be some government regulation or the corporate greedy will have you working in "sweat shops" almost for free.

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painfully honest 11/19/11 - 01:11 am
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By the way Bob, your
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By the way Bob, your statement: "The promise of America has always been that you can be as successful as your ingenuity, ambition and energy will take you.", IS NOT ALWAYS TRUE.

More often than not, "It's not what you know, It's who you know." The "god ole boy" system is alive and well, just look at the mess at Penn State.

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Brad Owens 11/19/11 - 03:33 am
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"Advertising in New York City

"Advertising in New York City for persons to join the demonstrations, they offer a salary of $350 to $600 per week, while in Chicago, they are paying $22 per hour plus overtime! To be accepted for employment the only criteria is a person must be articulate and confrontational." WHAT???

OK, now I have to see proof of that one.

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Carleton Duvall 11/19/11 - 06:41 am
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Painfully honest said By the

Painfully honest said
By the way Bob, your statement: "The promise of America has always been that you can be as successful as your ingenuity, ambition and energy will take you.", IS NOT ALWAYS TRUE.
Although I am puzzled at some of Mr. Smock's statement's I do take exception to your comment. One's success in life in this great country is dependent upon ones work ethic. The opportunity is there for all of us even now when things are tough. There are exceptions, of course, but his statement , for the most part, is true. Further I can see no connection with this fact and the "mess" at Penn State. That "mess" was criminal activity covered up by people that know better.

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bjphysics 11/19/11 - 07:47 am
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I’m disappointed the writer

I’m disappointed the writer failed to mention the Soylent Green processing plants at the FEMA camps.

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bjphysics 11/19/11 - 08:03 am
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southernguy08 11/19/11 - 08:42 am
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Painfully, I wonder, if
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Painfully, I wonder, if America is so terrible, with so few opportunities, how in the world have those immigrant millionaires made it? You know, people like Andrew Carnegie and Igor Sikorsky? As for the OWS "protesters," I wonder when there will be an "Occupy Washington Movement," since that's where most of our problems originate?

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Carleton Duvall 11/19/11 - 08:48 am
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I found this article. You can

I found this article. You can draw your own conclusion as to whether protesters are being paid.

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A liberal organizer told the Daily Caller on Thursday afternoon that he paid some Hispanics to attend “Occupy DC” protests happening in the nation’s capital.

TheDC attended the protest event, an expansion of the “Occupy Wall Street” movement that began in New York City. Some aspects of the protest, it turned out, are more Astroturf than grassroots.

One group of about ten Hispanic protesters marched behind a Caucasian individual from the DC Tenants Advocacy Coalition, a non-profit organization dedicated to supporting rent control in Washington, D.C.

Asked why they were there, some Hispanic protesters holding up English protest signs could not articulate what their signs said.

Interviewed in Spanish, the protesters told conflicting stories about how their group was organized. Some said it was organized at their church, and that they were there as volunteers. Others, however, referred to the man from the DC Tenants Advocacy Coalition — the only Caucasian in the group — as their “boss.”

TheDC asked that organizer whether he was paying the group to attend the protest, and he conceded that some protesters “aren’t” volunteers.

“Some of them are volunteers. Some of them aren’t,” he explained. “I can’t identify them. I’m not going to get into an identification game.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/06/organizer-admits-to-paying-occupy-dc-p...

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TrukinRanger 11/19/11 - 09:39 am
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No one is financing this
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No one is financing this movement... these people in the Occupy movements are there on their own accord. Yes, a lot of trash has joined in just to be rebelious, but they do not reflect the actual intentions of the majority. Corporate GREED & EXPLOITATION is one of the main reasons behind the movement. A family used to be able to have one bread winner and one home maker and buy groceries, go on vacations, RAISE THEIR OWN KIDS... but now you must have both of you working, maybe an additional part time job, credit maxed out, only the occasional weekend trip, and barely make ends meet. There also used to be retirement benefits (not 401k that YOU may the majority of), good medical care... etc...etc... etc...

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ConcernedTaxpayer 11/19/11 - 10:02 am
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Painfully Honest, you sound

Painfully Honest, you sound like you are one of them and should be out there protesting too. I am in my late 60s and have never made more than $40,000 a year, so I am not wealthy, but I am smart enough to know that the rich already pay more taxes on their earned income than do the middle class. I don't know if the president supports the demonstrators or not and don't care. I do know that he, Pelosi, Reid, and all their liberal co-harts have done this country more damage than any other group ever has. Many of these protesters waste their money on things they could do without and then complain they don't have money to buy necessities. They would never have survived the great depression that my parents went through as teenagers. Fancy cell phones and computers with all the apps are not a necessity and are very expensive. Big screen TVs are not a necessity. Fancy cars are are not a necessity. Necessities are a simple roof over your head, enough food not to go hungry, and health care when needed.

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Bizkit 11/19/11 - 10:05 am
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Related to income taxes

Related to income taxes alone, the wealthiest 1 percent of the population earn 19 per¬cent of the income but pay 37 percent of the income tax (the top 10 percent pay 68 percent). In 1980, the top 10 percent earned 32 percent of the income and paid 44 percent of the taxes—a ratio of 1.4. In 2004, this group earned more of the income (44 percent) but paid a lot more of the taxes (68 percent). In other words, progressivity—in terms of share of total taxes paid—has risen. Of the top 1% wealthy, the average income for a tax return in the top 0.1 percent was $4.4 million in 2009, while the average amount of income tax paid was $1.07 million, indicating an average effective individual income tax rate of 24.3 percent. It is worth noting that while the average income of a taxpayer in the top 0.1 percent declined in 2009, the effective tax rate for this group actually rose from 2008 to 2009. This counterintuitive result is explained by the diminished capital gains and dividend income on high-income tax returns, income sources that are taxed at lower rates. (This very top income group actually has a lower average effective income tax rate than the rest of the top 1 percent of returns because these extremely high-income returns are more likely to have income from capital gains and dividends)

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Carleton Duvall 11/19/11 - 10:09 am
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Concerned, I am in my late

Concerned, I am in my late 80s and went thru the depression with your parents. We had a roof, food and health care paid for out of my parents pockets. Health care insurance was unheard of then. Our only source of entertainment was to gather around the one radio in the house and listen to Amos and Andy and Lum and Abner. We were happy though and considerd fortunate compared to the 24% that were unemployed.

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Bizkit 11/19/11 - 10:09 am
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Excerpt from article: But

Excerpt from article: But haven’t the tax cuts put more of the burden on the backs of the middle class and the poor?

No. I examined the Treasury Department analysis of how much the rich would have paid without the Bush tax cuts and how much they actually did pay. The rich are now paying more than they would have paid, not less, after the Bush investment tax cuts. For example, the Treasury’s estimate was that the top 1 percent of earners would pay 31 percent of taxes if the Bush cuts did not go into effect; with the cuts, they actually paid 37 per­cent. Similarly, the share of the top 10 percent of earners was estimated at 63 percent without the cuts; they actually paid 68 percent.

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david jennings 11/19/11 - 10:24 am
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painfully says the President

painfully says the President is not dividing the country and in the next sentence give an example of exactly how he is doing it. I have to disagree, I think Obama, Pelosi, Ried and others on thier side have been very divisive. They pretend to be the protecters of the "have nots" and have convinced them the "haves" are the enemy. We will see in 2012 that it worked beautifully, "leonards losers", conservatives, Obama wins second term by landslide.

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Haki 11/19/11 - 10:28 am
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Wait a second. You mean to

Wait a second. You mean to tell me, 85% of the protesters are employed and have the opportunity to get paid for Occupy? Sounds like capitalist to me!

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Vito45 11/19/11 - 01:30 pm
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Concerned Citizen: "Many of

Concerned Citizen: "Many of these protesters waste their money on things they could do without and then complain they don't have money to buy necessities."

I like me some Walter Williams....

According to CBS News, "the number of people in the U.S. living in poverty in 2010 rose for the fourth year in a row, representing the largest number of Americans in poverty in the 52 years since such estimates have been published by the U.S. Census Bureau." MSNBC said, "The U.S. poverty rate remains among the highest in the developed world."
Let's look at a few poverty facts. Heritage Foundation researchers Dr. Robert Rector and Rachel Sheffield laid out some facts about the poor in their report "Understanding Poverty in the United States: Surprising Facts About America's Poor"

(9/13/2011). Eighty percent of poor households have air conditioning. Nearly three fourths have a car or truck, and 31 percent have two or more. Two-thirds have cable or satellite TV. Half have one or more computers. Forty-two percent own their homes. The average poor American has more living space than the typical non-poor person in Sweden, France or the U.K. Ninety-six percent of poor parents stated that their children were never hungry during the year because they
couldn't afford food. ~snip~

http://townhall.com/columnists/walterewilliams/2011/11/16/poverty_in_ame...

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Vito45 11/19/11 - 11:06 am
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Next snip: "The Material

Next snip:

"The Material Well-Being of the Poor and the Middle Class Since 1980" (10/25/2011) is a research paper by professor Bruce D. Meyer of the University of Chicago and The National Bureau of Economic Research and professor James X. Sullivan of the University of Notre Dame. In it they report: "Our results show evidence of considerable improvement in material well-being for both the middle class and the poor over the past three decades. Median income and consumption both rose by more than 50 percent in real terms between 1980 and 2009. In addition, the middle 20 percent of the income distribution experienced noticeable improvements in housing characteristics: living units became bigger and much more likely to have air conditioning and other features. The quality of the cars these families own also improved considerably. Similarly, we find strong evidence of improvement in the material well-being of poor families." The grim official measures of poverty or income stagnation reported are the result of a number of biases that understate well-being, such as relying exclusively on narrow income measures that do not reflect all the resources available to the household for consumption. Income measures fail to capture important components of economic well-being, such as wealth and the ownership of durables, e.g., houses and cars. For example, official measures would consider a retired couple who owned their car and mortgage-free $700,000 home and lived on $20,000 savings to be poor.
Clearly, their income does not reflect their material well-being.
"Income Mobility in the U.S. from 1996 to 2005" (11/13/2007) is a report by the U.S. Department of the Treasury that shows considerable income mobility of individuals in the U.S. economy. "Roughly half of taxpayers who began in the bottom income quintile in 1996 moved up to a higher income group by 2005. Among those with the very highest incomes in 1996 -- the top 1/100 of 1 percent --only 25 percent remained in this group in 2005. Moreover, the median real income of these top taxpayers declined over the study period." These findings confirm previous studies dating back to the 1960s reaching the same conclusion, namely: At different periods of time, different people occupy different income groups, but the overall trend is upward. What about the concentration of wealth? In 1918, John D. Rockefeller's fortune accounted for more than half of 1 percent of total private wealth. To compile the same half of 1 percent of the total private wealth in the United States today, you'd have to combine the fortunes of Microsoft's Bill Gates ($59 billion) and New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg ($19 billion), but with 10 other multi-billionaires in between.
Our congressionally caused recession has indeed caused needless hardship for many Americans, but the big poverty and income stagnation hype is part and parcel of an agenda to make us more
accepting of politicians getting their hands deeper into our pocketbooks in the name of helping the poor.

Walter E. Williams
Dr. Williams serves on the faculty of George Mason University as John M. Olin Distinguished
Professor of Economics and is the author of 'Race and Economics: How Much Can Be Blamed on
Discrimination?' and 'Up from the Projects: An Autobiography.'

http://townhall.com/columnists/walterewilliams/2011/11/16/poverty_in_ame... 11/16/2011

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Bizkit 11/19/11 - 10:32 am
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You would have to be deaf,

You would have to be deaf, dumb, and blind not to recognize Obama's use of class warfare. Almost every speech he demonizes the wealthy and how they need to pay "their fair share" and how we need to redistribute the wealth. Come on!!! I would have voted for Obama his first run if hadn't stated he wanted to raise my taxes because he discriminates against one income group-the wealthy (I didn't vote because I had no choice). I really believed Obama would bring change but boy was I duped. He is the epitomy of a bad politicians.

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Carleton Duvall 11/19/11 - 10:34 am
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Brad Owens said; "Advertising

Brad Owens said;

"Advertising in New York City for persons to join the demonstrations, they offer a salary of $350 to $600 per week, while in Chicago, they are paying $22 per hour plus overtime! To be accepted for employment the only criteria is a person must be articulate and confrontational." WHAT???

OK, now I have to see proof of that one.

It did not seem accurate to me either so I did a little googling and found a number of articles that support Mr. Smock's statement. Whether they are true or not is a big question.

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allhans 11/19/11 - 11:13 am
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Lots of nonsense in

Lots of nonsense in Washington over "taxing the rich". The Democrats want to raise taxes on the rich from the Bush tax rates plan of 34% to the previous amount of 39%. 4% is causing an awful lot of debate. The black members of Congress say that the 4% will fix all the problems in the country, that the poor will no longer be poor, the rich will no longer be rich...and on we go.
How do we elect those to public office that has no thoughts of their own and only repeat what they are told to say?

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Bizkit 11/19/11 - 11:05 am
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There has been and there

There has been and there always will be the poor. This is probably more biological than sociological. I know IQ (a more precise term g) is controversial but undisputable is the correlation with health, wealth, and education. It is inevitable that some in a population will be less successful because of lacking critical thinking cognitive skills. Now that isn't limiting though as studies show motivation can overcome the cognitive gap. Now I'm sure some of you know someone who is wealthy and a complete moron. I do -my brother.

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Bizkit 11/19/11 - 11:10 am
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I think the Dems would be

I think the Dems would be more convincing in their arguments if they weren't all rich and reaping the benefits of tax breaks (and apparently inside info on investments). Why don't they pay double the taxes and donate a significant fraction of their wealth to the poor to lead by example. Almost all of those in Congress (both parties) have increased in wealth since taking office. I find that offensive.

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Vito45 11/19/11 - 11:13 am
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BizKit, if you think about

BizKit, if you think about it, every society that has any freedom whatsoever has its social stratification. That goes right down to the very poorest places on earth. It may be that one goat herder has 20 goats and the other herder has 50. The guy with 50 is the richer man, and managed to accumulate those 50 goats through wiser and better planning than the guy with 20. Sooner or later he will parlay those 50 into 100, then 200; and will have to HIRE someone to help him tend the goats.

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Bizkit 11/19/11 - 11:13 am
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My bet is Dems will raises

My bet is Dems will raises taxes on the rich (but of course that won't be enough to satisfiy their money lust) and they will then raise everyones taxes and increase the tax base. The Dems refuse to admit there is a spending problem so they will keep spending. Reminds me of my oldest daughter-she is a shop-a-holic.

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Bizkit 11/19/11 - 11:22 am
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I agree Vito. I also agree on

I agree Vito. I also agree on your analysis how America has prospered and how everyone has benefitted. I don't think the poor or middle class realize without wealthy Americans America would have no wealth and we would have much more limited government. Government doesn't increase wealth they consume it, and without income to tax there is limited tax dollars to spend. My hopes is the top 1% will take their wealth and move to another country. Suddenlty America would be a third world country in wealth, taxation on what is left would inevitably generat a smaller government. Once the government is reduced then we come back. Government will never limit itself so it is the only way. Starve them into submission. The government would have less income to tax, so spending would decrease, the tax base would have to include everyone and end the disparity and the 50% who pay no taxes, we would have to cease our war efforts, we would quit sending so much money to other nations, etc. It is the only way.

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Bizkit 11/19/11 - 11:29 am
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I'll start a new movement the

I'll start a new movement the OENs-we are the 1%. The OENs, occupy european nations, will take our wealth there and benefit these countries. Let's see how America will handle the loss in GDP. Then the 99% can have their way and fill. Good luck!!!!

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Techfan 11/19/11 - 11:44 am
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This letter is written

This letter is written verbatim as a comment on yahoo news by someone posting as "It's time". Robert or plagiarism?
http://news.yahoo.com/us-debt-panel-groping-deal-deadline-looms-17405190...

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dichotomy 11/19/11 - 11:52 am
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The OWS nitwits state

The OWS nitwits state misleading objectives, if you can find one coherent enough to state an objective. What they really want is to continue to pay NO taxes, have someone else pay ALL of the taxes, and to soak up even more taxpayer money through social welfare programs.This has nothing to do with anyone paying their 'fair" share of taxes because if that is what they wanted they would be protesting for a flat tax on every dollar earned by every person and every corporation who gets a dollar from any source including welfare.

I have seen these same dingbats before....in late 60s and early 70s. I have the same response. Get off drugs, get a haircut, get a shave, take a shower, get a job, and move out of mommy and daddy's house.

These misguided kids need to realize that the limousine liberals and the unions are steadily filling their own pockets with money while they encourage these kids to go out to live in the cold and get tear gassed, all while hoping that the media will eventually get that perfect video of some cop busting some kids skull that will turn the 2012 election in their favor. That's what this is really all about.

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Techfan 11/19/11 - 11:54 am
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It looks like the original

It looks like the original might have been based on a story from Business Insider. They have legit written all over them " Henry Blodget is the CEO and Editor-In-Chief, a Yale graduate who previously worked on Wall Street before being barred from the securities industry after a conviction for securities fraud."

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Carleton Duvall 11/19/11 - 11:58 am
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This will take a few minutes

This will take a few minutes to read but, believe me, it is worth your time. If this does not scare the bejesus out of you nothing will. To think that there are people in this country with this kind of mindset is unbelievable. The rag is " The Smirking Chimp" about as far left as "The Huffington Post"

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/dave-lindorff/39696/rebellion-is-in-...

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