Are vaccines being forced on seniors?

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The federal government and health officials not only are targeting children for vaccines, but their new “reality show” also is aiming for senior citizens.

Here’s how my doctor recently told me how it works: You are a senior covered by Medicare insurance, and you go to your annual doctor’s office visit. Before the visit is over, your doctor will recommend you get a number of vaccines – that the government has previously recommended – that the doctor asks you to take. If you refuse the shots, it is duly noted on your medical record, which will be transferred onto a new federally mandated electronic chart.

Scary enough, but here’s more: The doctor serving you is only allowed a certain percentage of vaccine refusals. If there are too many, Medicare will limit the normal payments he receives for certain patients.

It is not the government’s business what drugs you or I choose to inject into our bodies at any age. What next? Will the Big Brother of senior vaccines come knocking at my door?

This is one reality show we can all do without.

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amdachel
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amdachel 08/31/11 - 11:04 pm
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Maurine Meleck points to a

Maurine Meleck points to a corrupt system where the vaccine makers have overwhelming influence over the government. Our children have an ever-increasing schedule of mandated vaccines and they are now pushing for more and more vaccines for adults as well. Vaccines, like all medical products, have risks. It needs to be noted that the government protects the doctor and the vaccine makers from liability for vaccine damages. Victims have to turn to the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program where the number of recognized side effects grows smaller all the time. They're up against government lawyers, defending a government system, using government money. It should come as no surprise that few people have a hearing on their claim and even fewer receive compensation.

The vaccine program offer little protection for the patient if they are injured, but total protection for the vaccine industry and the doctor.

Anne Dachel, Media editor: Age of Autism

Techfan
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Techfan 09/01/11 - 04:47 am
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I really hope no one believes

I really hope no one believes anything that this writer puts in her almost monthly letters. Pseudoscience and quackery run rampant.

augusta citizen
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augusta citizen 09/01/11 - 05:45 am
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Regardless of your opinion of

Regardless of your opinion of the vaccines, they shouldn't be a condition of receiving one's medical care. People should always have the right to accept or deny what is injected into their own body. I know people who wouldn't dream of not getting an annual flu shot and others who wouldn't consider getting one. Let each person decide, it is still the American way, freedom of choice, right? Right?

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Techfan 09/01/11 - 05:53 am
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I did a lot of searching and

I did a lot of searching and the only reference I can find to this scare tactic is from Maurine. A link would have helped to see if it was a legit source.

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carcraft 09/01/11 - 07:44 am
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Techfan- It is indeed here.

Techfan- It is indeed here. I work in health care. Compensation for services for medicare payments etc are going to be based on compliance with standards. We have to follow "scip" measures and document our compliance with these measures. Full funding will require full compliance with Washington dictated standards. Read an interesting article by the Heritage Foundation on compliance and reimbursement.

augusta citizen
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augusta citizen 09/01/11 - 08:11 am
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carcraft, so being in the

carcraft, so being in the health care field, you're acknowledging that our adoptive parents in Washington are trying to determine that we the children accept vaccinations as they deem fit? They will attempt to accomplish this by extorting the Doctors via their compensation? There are as many opinions on vaccinations as Carter has pills, so be it. I am certainly not trying to bring abortion as a subject into this, just using it as an example. How can the same people back a woman's choice to an abortion, but not a patient's choice to a vaccination?

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dichotomy 09/01/11 - 08:39 am
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The vaccines are just the tip

The vaccines are just the tip of the iceberg. With the Obamacare emphasis on preventitive care, there will be a lot more compliance based reimbursement rates and reporting for doctors and patients. Once the government is fully in charge of your healthcare I will not be surprised to see you being reported as refusing to lose weight, exercise, lower your blood pressure and blood sugar, etc. Then the "panel" can use those records when your case comes up for review for your bypass or dialysis treatment request. "You've been an uncooperative patient for 40 years Mr. Smith. I'm afraid we are going to have to let you go." The good news is that Viagra and birth control pills will be handed out like candy.

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seenitB4 09/01/11 - 08:43 am
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dichotomy said.. I'm afraid

dichotomy said..

I'm afraid we are going to have to let you go." The good news is that Viagra and birth control pills will be handed out like candy.

at least they can go out with a smile...lol

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allhans 09/01/11 - 08:43 am
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Thank goodness my doctor

Thank goodness my doctor doesn't prescribe to that belief. He does recommend that I have a flu shot every year.

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harley_52 09/01/11 - 08:53 am
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I think most all treatment

I think most all treatment will be based on compliance. If you eat the "wrong" foods after a warning or two, I don't think the panels will let the government waste any more money on you, especially if you're over 50 and a Republican. There will be plenty of twenty-something illegal immigrants out there so sap up the funding and the care. After all, they're going to be around for a while and can be counted as loyal democrat voters.

I'm betting medical records will contain a block with a "D" or a "R" in it which will become the first place panels look (after "age") when deciding what kind of care to approve.

augusta citizen
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augusta citizen 09/01/11 - 08:55 am
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Oita University Faculty of

Oita University Faculty of Medicine in Japan has been doing studies on how areas with more lithium in drinking water have fewer suicides, prompting some medical researchers in other countries to "wonder" if adding lithium to public water could cut suicides. Folks, I just don't want a bunch of idle bureaucrats determining what my body needs and doesn't need and what will be best for me. Note: I did not say this is being discussed here (that I know of) but once a boulder starts rolling down a hill it picks up speed and force. Government does not need to be deciding what it's citizens must do, ingest or have injected.

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seenitB4 09/01/11 - 09:05 am
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Nothing surprises me

Nothing surprises me anymore...in the last 70 years all kinds of tests were done on innocent Americans..(without their knowledge) just google it if you don't believe it....when my granma got spring water from Windsor Spring many years ago...she was a very wise woman----particles have been sprayed in the air to test reactions--shots by medical teams in the poor sections--some mental institutions have been used ....our government has not been lily white with the tests.

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seenitB4 09/01/11 - 09:20 am
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Chillen 09/01/11 - 10:45 am
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Obama says the government is

Obama says the government is your "federal family" so line up like good little sheeple & join the family reunion! "Free" taxpayer funded shots included......

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AndrewLafa 09/01/11 - 12:48 pm
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The vaccine-autism link was

The vaccine-autism link was proven quackery, Ms. Dachel. If you recall the hoax perpetrated by a certain former doctor Andrew Wakefield, this was something that had a long lasting effect on public health.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/01/05/autism.vaccines/index.html

People who don't get vaccines for themselves and children as needed forget that they don't live in solitary isolation. If you are a carrier of a disease, you put others at risk. This is not just about you, it's about the public health of all people.

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msitua 09/01/11 - 03:18 pm
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To Andrew-Yes, what drugs I

To Andrew-Yes, what drugs I allow into my body is about me just as what you allow in yours--is about you. You can put as many vaccines in your body as you want as well as as other drugs you choose---but I also have the right to choose. Do you actusally think all vaccines are risk free? If my child is vaccine injured, are you going to pitch in and pay for his health care. After all, you said vaccines are about the public health of all people.

augusta citizen
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augusta citizen 09/01/11 - 03:23 pm
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I understand what point

I understand what point Andrew is trying to make...but...if his child gets vaccinated for say, chicken pox, and mine doesn't, then my child gets chicken pox and is around his child, well, his child was vaccinated right? So if people believe in vaccinations then surely they believe they serve the intended purpose, which is to "vaccinate" his child from catching chicken pox from my child. Obviously this is hypothetical, but surely the point is simple.

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TK3 09/01/11 - 03:24 pm
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AndrewLafa that is a good

AndrewLafa that is a good example of a socialist statement concering Big Brother vaccines;
"This is not just about you, it's about the public health of all people."

"People should not be prosecuted for what they own, for what they think, for what they eat, drink, or smoke, or for what they believe. They should be prosecuted only for the physical harm they do to others."~Harry Brown

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burninater 09/01/11 - 03:39 pm
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Is end-of-life care being

Is end-of-life care being forced on seniors?

Well, not in Oregon at least ...

burninater
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burninater 09/01/11 - 03:45 pm
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Uh, TK3, your Harry Brown is

Uh, TK3, your Harry Brown is in complete agreement with AndrewLafa.

Vaccines are not 100% effective. If everyone is vaccinated, disease rates are very low. If only some get vaccinated, the ones that are vaccinated lower disease rates for the ones that aren't, and the ones that aren't vaccinated raise disease rates for the ones that are.

So the ones not getting vaccinated, as TK3 pointed out, would "...be prosecuted only for the physical harm they do to others," the physical harm being their increasing the rates of disease in others.

augusta citizen
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augusta citizen 09/01/11 - 03:51 pm
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I really don't like to quote

I really don't like to quote a particular person over and over, as I am an independent thinker, but...sometimes someone just seems to be pretty informative and cites some pretty good examples that make you see something in a different light, so from Mark Styne, (the subject matter is how many inventions and accomplishments there were from the time period from around 1900 to 1965 or so and how they have then been somewhat stagnant. The 60-65 year time period produced such things as the refrigerator, washing machine, radios and mass automobiles. Also, came heating systems for homes and mass air travel/aviation including putting a man on the moon, and of course, television. After that time, the computer is a big one, but many of the other "advancements" have just improved or bettered what we already had. Now take the subject of medicine, so anyway, again, Mark Styne's words, "When was the last big medical breakthrough? I mean "big" in the sense of something that takes a crippling worldwide disease man has accepted as a cruel fact of life and so clobbers it that a generation on nobody gives it a thought. That's what the polio vaccine did in 1955. Why haven't we done that for Alzheimer's? Today,we have endless "races for the cure" and colored ribbons advertising one's support for said races for the cure, and yet fewer cures....We have had phenomenal breakthroughs in hues of awareness-raising ribbons. Yet for all the raised awareness, very few people seem aware of how the whole disease-curing business has ground to a halt. Compare the Twenties to the Nineties: in the former,the discovery of insulin and penicillin, plus the first vaccines for tuberculosis, diphtheria, tetanus, whooping cough, on and on. In the last decade of the twentieth century, what? A vaccine for Hepatitius A, and Viagra."

The US Food and Drug Administration makes it more and more difficult for potentially life saving medications to reach the people. Bureaucratic red tape makes new drug approvals so time consuming and expensive, that it has decreased the incentive to find cures. So maybe, some of us just don't have a whole heck of a lot of confidence in medical research, new vaccinations, etc. anymore. I just don't think I trust some of the vaccinations because I don't trust the system, so I will consider and research before allowing someone to vaccinate me.

By the way AndrewLafa, with all due respect, the first poster did post her title/credentials and it did include the word autism. Besides that, I have skimmed back over all of the comments and no one else has mentioned autism, so obviously this is not a thread on autism, it is a thread on vaccinations. If you believe that autism is not a side effect of vaccinations, why did you feel a need to post a link for that, because really man, no one was even talking about it?

augusta citizen
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augusta citizen 09/01/11 - 04:05 pm
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On the same line as the

On the same line as the AndrewLafa autism link, why did Techfan feel a need earlier to use the following words, "Pseudoscience and quackery run rampant." in reference to the author of this letter to the editor? Seems that she is merely saying she doesn't want to be pressured to accept vaccinations. I mean really, if she had said she wanted to be injected with pineapple juice or something, we could call it quackery all day long, but no, nothing of the sort, no weirdness, no hysteria, no "hate" speech, just a simple, no thanks, I'll have none. Haha, and that my friends, a little independent thought, a little liberty, a little I prefer to decide for myself seems to really bring out the criticism. No thanks, I prefer to not be vaccinated must be code for quackery.

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 09/01/11 - 04:11 pm
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Burninater wrote: Vaccines

Burninater wrote:

Vaccines are not 100% effective.

Therefore, individuals must be allowed to “opt out” of vaccination drives. And that also means that parents of minor children must be allowed to opt their children out. No one individual must be forced to take a medicine for himself or his child that is not 100% effective. One's body is the last frontier of freedom.

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dougk 09/01/11 - 05:07 pm
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I compelled to Google:
Unpublished

I compelled to Google: "Little Lamb on abortion."

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 09/01/11 - 07:42 pm
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Compulsory vaccination is

Compulsory vaccination is akin to compulsory abortion. I am opposed to both.

dougk
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dougk 09/01/11 - 08:13 pm
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Funny stuff, LL!!! What a
Unpublished

Funny stuff, LL!!! What a way to twist and turn.

Bruno
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Bruno 09/01/11 - 09:20 pm
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The article is complete

The article is complete bovine excrement. Also, I am okay with you not getting vaccines for your kids but you shouldn't be allowed to put them in public school or in any situation where the little plague rats can endanger others.

augusta citizen
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augusta citizen 09/01/11 - 09:41 pm
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But again Bruno, with all due

But again Bruno, with all due respect, how do we know that not getting vaccinated puts anyone, ourselves or others in danger? I would never knowingly endanger myself, my family or anyone else. How do you know that not stepping up to the trough endangers anyone, do you know?

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 09/01/11 - 10:12 pm
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Bruno, the letter to the

Bruno, the letter to the editor is about doctors (authority figures) putting pressure on senior citizens to get vaccinations for diseases. If you look at it logically, the pressure is absurd for the senior citizens, but financially rewarding for the doctors. Senior citizens do not need vaccinations for measles, mumps, pertussis, diptheria, tetanus, typhoid fever, cholera, etc. Senior citizens are old! Society should not be subsidizing their longevity.

Now, to your other assertion; if a child does not get a vaccination for, let's say, measles; that particular child is no threat to any child who did get a vaccination for measles. Do you get it? The children who get the vaccinations are protected against the diseases. The children who do not get the vaccinations are the only ones at risk.

Where does my logic fail?

msitua
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msitua 09/01/11 - 11:46 pm
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It's not so financially

It's not so financially rewarding for the doctor who could conceivably get punished for not getting enough of his/her medicare patients to take the vaccines. It is however, rewarding for the drug makers of vaccines, as usual.

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