Wars often are a sovereign necessity

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Regarding the Rev. Paul L. Cook's letter "Most of our wars have been a sad waste" (June 17):

He stated that "if America is going to continue to be a strong, vibrant bastion of freedom, we must be much more careful about the wars in which we choose to engage." What he failed to consider is that, more often than not, a country does not have a choice in the wars that are thrust upon it.

Also, the Rev. Cook has forgotten that freedom is not free, and one of the methods a strong nation uses to project that strength is through the use of force. One such use of force was the Korean War, from which the prosperous Democratic nation of South Korea rose from the ashes. Looking over the border into North Korea, we find what would have been had we not intervened.

However, unlike Vietnam -- in which politicians tried to run from Washington -- the Korean War was fought in the same manner as World War II, and we prevailed. I do not consider that a sad waste.

But now, we have politicians once again running the Afghanistan and Iraq wars from politicians' armchairs, and we see the very same quagmire we saw in Vietnam. Can it not be said that, because to the interference of politicians in issues relating to combat and rules of engagement, many more lives have been unnecessarily lost?

As for America's inability to afford being the policeman of the world, according to the Congressional Budget Office the defense budget for 2010 was 4.7 percent of gross domestic product, compared to 10 percent and rising for entitlement spending in 2010. So the idea that military spending is bankrupting America is not accurate.

I will add that if there was ever a time for a world policeman, it is now -- and I would prefer it to be America. And considering what our politicians waste our money on, the cost of our security seems very reasonable.

Is it not best to oppose tyranny and make an effort to spread our way of life in the world, or should we to turn a blind eye to the dangers of the world that surround us, and ourselves become victims of other countries' tyranny?

Larry Rodgers

Evans

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Jon Lester
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Jon Lester 06/30/11 - 05:57 am
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To what end? The net result

To what end? The net result of all American engagements since 1995 has been the creation of new Islamic republics. "Success" in partitioned Bosnia and Kosovo didn't prevent 9/11, and by all estimates, Iraq and Afghanistan will be something short of pacified after we've left, even after ruinous expenditures of blood and treasure thrown at what we were told was the "existential threat" of "radical Islam."

Seriously, what other threats are there that aren't invited by our very desire for global supremacy, and to what extent must our sovereignty be asserted at the expense of everyone else's?

southernguy08
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southernguy08 06/30/11 - 07:06 am
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Global supremacy? Take a look

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Global supremacy? Take a look at the countries we've helped through the decades, JON. Germany and South Korea are free democracies with booming economies. Politically, they stick it to us more often than support us. They aren't puppets of the US. This war on terror was forced on us. Most liberals say what they wouldn't do in response to 9/11. Its a whole different ball of wax when your butt is in the president's chair, and you have to respond, or the world, including the Muslim world, will think you're weak, and they can do what they wish.

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 06/30/11 - 07:10 am
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jl- i would rather have the

jl- i would rather have the USA the dominant military power in the world than anybody else..the military should not be used in nation building that is not there mission. without our military might since WW2, how would the world look? i for one am a supporter of a strong military..

paulbaughman28
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paulbaughman28 06/30/11 - 07:59 am
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Hey guys, 2003 called and

Hey guys, 2003 called and they want this argument back.

sconservative
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sconservative 06/30/11 - 08:55 am
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What was the benefit of the

What was the benefit of the hundreds of billion$ spent on Korea? What other "free" countries contributed? We are not in 1950. Our military has a much greater reach. We may need a dozen bases worldwide rather than over 900. That 4.7% of $15T is much more than what other nations spend on defense. China may spend 10%, but their GDP is less than $6T. We can pay our interest on our debt by furloughing some of the newly-hired federal bureaucrats - certainly the czars!

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 06/30/11 - 09:58 am
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NPR is acting more and more

NPR is acting more and more like state run radio. Two days ago on Talk of the Nation, there were 4 guests - all shills of the pro-war American Establishment: Michael Chertoff, Jane Harman, John Negroponte, and Thomas Friedman. They were asked "What did you learn from 9/11?" None of these Establishment shills indicated that United States overreacted. United States betrayed its own principles after 9/11 and stooped to the level of the terrorists. The U.S. had and still has the right and responsibility to bring those DIRECTLY responsible for 9/11 to justice. United States has NO RIGHT to occupy Afghanistan for 10 years and wage endless war there. United States illegally invaded Iraq using known false pretexts. That is why the U.S. cannot leave Iraq and expect the status quo to hold. The U.S. used torture and made Iraq the greatest recruiting tool for Al Qaeda. After United States illegally invaded Iraq, that country became a bigger training ground for terrorists and a proving ground for their weapons than Afghanistan ever was under the Taliban. United States cannot win its misguided war on terror because of geography, demography, resources, and historical imperatives. The era of neocolonialism is over. Iraq and Afghanistan are wars of choice for United States not existential wars. These are political wars, and political wars are never won militarily. United States has become a giant hollowed out colossus which will collapse of its own weight. I hate violence. Humanity must move beyond war, and United States should take the lead in this effort instead of engaging in the business of war as usual. If karma equates with consequence then the defeat of an expansionist U.S. military empire can he seen as a historical imperative or as the hand of God at work in history. It's God's will. Inshallah.

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supercub88 06/30/11 - 12:36 pm
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You can bet that numbers "

You can bet that numbers " according to the Congressional Budget Office the defense budget for 2010 " are skewed !!

Just like, the inflation rate is low. We all know this is not the case.

Get off the oil, develop Nuclear power, and who cares what happens in the Middle East.

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rmwhitley 06/30/11 - 04:06 pm
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The mentality of " please

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The mentality of " please don't hurt me, I'll give you anything you want" is why france has to be bailed out of any conflict. They invented "reverse gear". A pit bull is only going to attack me once, then I become "High Lord and Executioner".

follower
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follower 06/30/11 - 04:53 pm
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JRHC, the cry of "illegal

JRHC, the cry of "illegal war" is getting old and is definately unfounded. Congress gave approval for the military operation in Iraq based on the information available. Dems and Repubs alike were privy to all of the intelligence. You may have the opinion that it wasn't wise, unwarranted, foolish, and unfounded. You CANNOT say it was illegal, unless you want to continue to lap from the same liberal media fountain that never dries of the mind numbing liquid from which so many "forward thinkers" drink.

Your reference to "colonialism" is also unfounded. The U.S. doesn't rule or govern any other sovereign nation, nor is it their aim. To influence other governments for human rights and economic prosperity is beneficial for the entire civilized world. No one gives to and assist other nations as does the U.S. Japan, South Korea, Germany, South Vietnam, Italy, France [well, not so much]. Do those countries represent anything different to you before and after U.S. involvement?

It's unfortunate you that you seem to dispise this country so. Try spewing your anti-government mantra in the Islamic world. Do they not deserve to have the same opportunities to post the same hogwash as you? We're trying to give them the same opportunity.

I guess human rights are OK, as long as the oppressed can obtain it on their own. The liberal mind is truly an amazing oddity.

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Dixieman 06/30/11 - 06:07 pm
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I am proud to have had the

I am proud to have had the opportunity to serve in Vietnam and to this day consider it a noble cause, as Ronald Reagan first said.

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hounddog 06/30/11 - 06:17 pm
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'We can pay our interest on

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'We can pay our interest on our debt by furloughing some of the newly-hired federal bureaucrats - certainly the czars!'
Amen brother, and the community organizer.

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hounddog 06/30/11 - 06:21 pm
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‘JRHC, the cry of "illegal

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‘JRHC, the cry of "illegal war" is getting old and is definately unfounded.’
The answer is easy; he hates what this country stands for because of what happened to blacks in our history. Some people can not move forward. It really is sad for him.

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Techfan 06/30/11 - 08:47 pm
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If you consider fighting a

If you consider fighting a war to prevent free elections just because the guy the US didn't want would win noble.

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 07/01/11 - 08:02 am
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follower, you screen name

follower, you screen name suits you. Try thinking for yourself instead of toeing the company line. The fact that the U.S. Congress authorized President Bush to use force in Iraq does not make the U.S. invasion and occupation of Iraq legal anymore than the Reichstag authorizing Hitler's expansionist military invasion of neighboring countries made those aggressions legal. Furthermore President Bush and his regime misled Congress. They manufactured false intelligence and ignored intelligence that cast doubt on their working theory that Saddam Hussein had WMD. They lied this country into war. Bush and company are war criminals. It does not stop there. Obama and company are war criminal too for using targeted assassination against "terrorist suspects" in Pakistan. Targeted assassination is against international law. I'm not interested in debating the issue with you, follower. I'm telling you that U.S. policies which include illegal wars, the use of torture, and targeted assassination will come back to haunt the U.S. - if not in the courts then in the courts of public opinion worldwide. The surge in Iraq did not solve anything because the entire U.S. invasion and occupation of that country is built on lies. The surge in Afghanistan is only guaranteed to "succeed" in destabilizing Pakistan. Ten years of failed war in Afghanistan should inform anyone with two functioning neurons that U.S. policy is a big failure. Here is the bottom line: Economic, political, and/or military exigencies will force U.S. troops to leave the Middle East and South Asia and the U.S. military empire will contract. This is an inevitability. The consensus of historians is the U.S. neocolonial war in Vietnam was unnecessary and a mistake. That war too was escalated because of orchestrated lies surrounding the Gulf of Tonkin incident. Likewise history will mark the U.S. wars of choice in Iraq and Afghanistan as blunders. United States IS an empire. China, India, and Germany have mercantile empires built on trade. Germany, a country much much smaller than United States exports 4 times more than the U.S.. The U.S. empire is a military empire built on wars. It is costly, non-productive, and cannot be sustained economically or politically. Take up your moot arguments with history, follower, if you cannot read the writing on the wall.

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TK3 07/01/11 - 06:35 pm
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Are your children really

Are your children really taught in government schools why we celebrate the 4th Of July ? The true meaning for me of the 4th Of July is that our Founding Fathers showed that freedom loving people standing against tyranny can succeed in winning liberty and justice against even overwhelming odds.

That those freedoms sought and declared via The Declaration of Independence were not freely given and had to be won via a bloody Rebellion and that after the fighting and resistance ended, in order to help assure those freedoms hard won were not easily lost, they drafted and passed the Constitution, restricting-government to only-those rights given it by the people, not the other way around. Later The Bill Of Rights had to be added to make it clear to a rapidly growing government some of what government could-not do (violate) in regard to peoples rights.

Read this first part of the the text of the Declaration of Independence to your kids and see if they know it;

IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security...

(The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America)

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