Do Obama and Bush differ that much?

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What's the difference between presidents Obama and Bush?

Aside from getting a watered-down form of universal health care passed by Congress, there's been no significant change in our environmental policies. Bush's tax cuts are still in place. Guantanamo is still open, and I don't know that Bush's torture policies aren't still in place. Gun laws are exactly the same. Obama will have to deficit-spend like Bush did in his two terms. Bush's Patriot Act was extended recently. Obama seems to have invested as much money in our military-industrial complex as Bush.

The only significant differences between presidents Bush and Obama? The economy will continue to show small, positive economic gains through Obama's second term, unlike Bush's. And Obama is infinitely better at handling a disaster than Bush. Let's be honest, the Gulf oil spill and the recent tornado disasters in Alabama and Oklahoma under Bush would dog him the rest of his life, like Katrina.

Obama will run as a Democrat and win easily because he's become as much of a populist, Republican-type leader as Bush. Unfortunately, Obama and I have learned, no matter how terribly the country's doing, a president will only be allowed by a majority to create positive change until the first moment there's a sign the crash has been averted.

Obama realized this when he lost the House of Representatives and immediately made the shift to doing only what the majority seems to want at any given time, which is increasingly conservative. And it's simply amazing to me how violent so many conservatives feel toward Obama, when well over 90 percent of his policies are no different from Bush's.

So, why elect a Republican president in 2012, when we seem to have had one for most of the past three years?

Nathan Kirby

Augusta

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nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 06/08/11 - 06:17 am
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perhaps nathan you need to

perhaps nathan you need to look at the executive orders the obumler signed,the anti business attitude except to big labor/business like GE AND GM. bush spent like a sailor on leave obumler spent like drunk sailor on leave..obumler care, the stimulus fiascal and bloating the budget by 25 percent would not have happened. we have grown ups now in congress that are actually trying to bring our finiancial house in order unlike obumler and the dims. while i was no fan of bush and his economic's..... he is far far far superior to obumler.

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robaroo 06/08/11 - 06:33 am
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No doubt we have had two

No doubt we have had two pretty bad presidents in a row.

The real comparison should be between Jimmy Carter and George Bush. The country took a nosedive during their watches. I know some of the problems weren't caused by them, but their responses didn't cut it.

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southernguy08 06/08/11 - 07:11 am
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Obama will win easily? Have
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Obama will win easily? Have you seen the polls late, Nate? You give new meaning to the phrase, "looking through rose colored glasses." But hey, hope springs eternal.

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onlysane1left 06/08/11 - 07:24 am
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No one will admit the truth

No one will admit the truth behind the fact of this article. Funny, when I watch the conservatives and liberials go at it, when, if you look at it, they are just alike!

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AWyld1 06/08/11 - 08:45 am
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Well why have an

Well why have an election...let's just anoint him King already.

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gaspringwater 06/08/11 - 09:38 am
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Obama is certainly better

Obama is certainly better than Bush. About a nickel's worth!

impossible
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impossible 06/08/11 - 10:12 am
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There are differences. Bush
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There are differences. Bush is a Christian. Obama is a Muslim. The Muslims are killing. The Christians are being killed. Bush was not the best for America, but was not deliberately destructive. Obama is Jimmy Carter on steroids and is deliberately destroying America. Obama has been and is making America a worldwide joke. The real estate bubble/crash was created by the Democrats over the unheeded objections of Bush and the Republicans, and Obama and his pals have been milking it and extending it for their own nefarious purposes, among which is the destruction of our free market economic system. Reagan was the best president of recent memory. Hands down, Obama is the least like Reagan of any President in our entire history.

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Chillen 06/08/11 - 10:14 am
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Differences between Bush &

Differences between Bush & Obama?

1. Welfare entitlements have increased under obama by 33%.
2. Under obama, unemployment is over 9% (experts say more like 12-15%).
3. Obama doesn't care about our allies. See news feeds for multiple examples.
4. Obama has added 1/2 a trillion per year more to our debt than Bush did.
5. I don't have exact numbers but I'll bet that the Air Force One and Secret Service budgets have doubled, if not tripled under obama as he vacations, golfs & parties continually - a feeling of "entitlement" just like his constituents feel.
6. Under obama, the number of Americans paying no federal income taxes has increased.
7. Under obama, more job-killing, business stifling regulations have been implemented.
8. Under obama, a third, NON Congressionally approved war is being waged. Bush got Congressinal approval for Iraq & Afghanistan.
9. Under obama, the number of Americans employed by the federal govt has dramatically increased.
10. Under obama, 85% of the almost 2 million 2011 college grads have been unable to find a full time job.
11. Under obama, we get lies. He claims that 50K jobs were created in May (25K by McDonalds). It takes 250K jobs just to keep up with population growth. So, we are short 200K jobs, just for May.
12. Under obama we get the non-stimulus bill & union motivated cash for clunkers/gm/auto industry bailouts (huge loss for taxpayers).
13. Under obama we get a president who spends money on himself & his family like he is King of the World. He claims to empathize with struggling Americans while he & his family jet off to luxury resorts in Spain, India, Hawaii, Brazil, Williamsburg, etc. He claims to empathize while he hosts lavish white house parties weekly. He claims to empathize while he eats caviar and drinks $1000 bottles of wine. He claims to empathize while his size 18, "eat healthy everyone else" wife struts around in $4000 dresses.
14. Obama has continually belittled, berated and attacked the so-called "wealthy" (those making over $250K per year). While he has not increased taxes on them, his threats to do so have hurt morale and scared that group. His attacks on them have prodded the wealth envy crowd to also attack them continually. Obama hates success (unless it is govt-derived).
15. Under obama, gas has doubled in price and is staying high (unlike the very short term hike under Bush).
16. Under obama inflation is rampant. The price of basic food staples is up 75% in the last year. Food prices in general are up by 15%.
17. Under obama we have seen a huge increase in protests & riots. We will see many more as the radical progressives continue to organize them and encourage them. Govt employees, unions, students (useful idiots) & entitlement crowd are among the many rioting, protesting and beating each other to a pulp.
18. Under obama, you will see odd things like the latest headline. "Obama offers money to bail out Greece". Really?! It's US who needs a bailout!
19. Under obama you see massive power grabs. Healthcare, student loans, banking, unions.
20. Under obama you get groped at the airport and filmed nude.

In summary. Despite his faults, Bush loved America. Obama shares Bush's faults but adds to them exponentially. And, obama does not love America. He wants fundmental transformation and for America to assimilate themselves in the New World Order.

When you elect someone based on skin color or hype, someone with no experience and no voting record to speak of, obama is what you get. Incompetence in the White House. At the worst possible time.

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southernguy08 06/08/11 - 10:15 am
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CHILLEN, great post!!
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CHILLEN, great post!!

impossible
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impossible 06/08/11 - 10:29 am
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Chillen. Thank you for your
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Chillen. Thank you for your patience and good work.
The problem with Mr. Kriby and those who put Obama into office is well stated in this piece:
Some people have the vocabulary to sum up things in a way that you can quickly understand them. This quote came from the Czech Republic. Someone over there has it figured out. It was translated into English from an article in the Prague newspaper Prager Zeitungon on 04.28.2010. Often, one must step outside the circle to get a clear point of view...

"The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools, such as those who made him their president."

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Dorion 06/08/11 - 10:30 am
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Does putting numbers in front

Does putting numbers in front of things make them true?

Chillen
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Chillen 06/08/11 - 10:37 am
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No dorion, there are just SO

No dorion, there are just SO MANY obama issues and problems, it's the only way to separate them out. I thought about listing the dozens, perhaps hundreds more that I have floating around in my head (and supported with facts) but time & space prohibits me.

Thanks southernguy and that's true, impossible! Even after obama is gone, we are still left with his zombies.

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faithson 06/08/11 - 11:06 am
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Chillen: For what it's

Chillen: For what it's worth... If you think for a second all those good people who voted for this administration are having second thoughts when they consider who was running on the other ticket, you are quite delusional. Mr. McCain and Ms. Palin in charge of this mess is an even scarier thought, let alone the 'lock step' candidates who the RNC is supporting. The RNC and Faux news used 'fear based' rhetoric in the 2010 elections, and with great success. Just wait to see how the DNC comes out in 2012 he** bent on making the rapture look like a walk in the park compared to what those evil minions of the RNC are about to do to ya! Politics boys, mean, dirty and self serving. Now can we all just agree to disagree about WHO can do a better job?

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allhans 06/08/11 - 11:17 am
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ABC poll yesterday..if

ABC poll yesterday..if election was held today Romney 49% Obama 46% which is considered even.

impossible
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impossible 06/08/11 - 11:28 am
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I sure hope the GOP power
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I sure hope the GOP power elite does not make the same mistake they made with Bob Dole - "I'ts Romney's turn now!" That would be grabbing defeat out of victory or however that saying goes. America needs a genuine conservative like Ronald Reagan.

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Chillen 06/08/11 - 11:32 am
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faithson, I hesitatingly

faithson, I hesitatingly voted for McCain (less of 2 evils). But at this point I'd take 1 McCain and 1 Palin over 1000 obama/biden's. The wrong team was elected to lead this nation through such a huge economic disaster - that had been brewing for YEARS - with much of the blame on fannie mae & freddie mac and the politicians who encouraged/forced bad loans.

I'm sure some "good people" did vote for obama. Pretty much all of them have changed their minds about him (see 11:17 post).

The 46% who still support him......wow. That's almost EXACTLY the same percentage of Americans who pay no federal taxes. How odd. Coincidence? Not hardly.

impossible
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impossible 06/08/11 - 11:33 am
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Does sticking one's head in
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Does sticking one's head in the sand make the truth go away?

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sconservative 06/08/11 - 11:57 am
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For a bill to become law, the

For a bill to become law, the House of Representatives and Senate must both pass the bill. The House is controlled by Republicans - although many are RINOs. Obama is not stupid. His "shift" was purely practical. He still favors central planning and Federal stimulus. Although Bush seemed to be happy with big government - unfunded Medicare drug entitlement - he was pro business. Obama is anti-business - particularly multinational corporations. Herman Cain is VERY different from Bush.

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faithson 06/08/11 - 12:22 pm
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but Herman Cain cannot get

but Herman Cain cannot get elected, no way, no how... to much baggage that will come out. Anyone who would give any credence to the 24/7 news cycle at this point in time on winners and losers is waisting their time. Waste away if you are so inclined... Debates on the situation at hand, needed now more than at any time in our American History.

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JesusSavesAtCitiBank 06/08/11 - 02:39 pm
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Chillen.... All this "no

Chillen....

All this "no compromise", "our way or no way", "shut the government down", "default on the debt" ranting of the Tea Partiers/GOPers is the most Anti-American voice this country has had to endure since the KKK was able to march down main street America in the thousands less than a century ago. They are advocating nothing less than Fascism for America.

None of the republicans lived up to their 2010 promises, even their big one - JOBS.

What makes you think it would be any different if you elected more of them? They've only cost people their jobs so far, and haven't created any new ones. People are hurting and they want to blame someone for it, which is totally understandable. The question is, what would a Republican president actually do that Obama hasn't? Their only solution seems to be tax cuts for the wealthy, as they believe this will create jobs, but the rich have gotten their tax cuts and the private sector still isn't hiring. Or, to be more precise, they are creating jobs in China and India, not in America.

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justthefacts 06/08/11 - 02:56 pm
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Open drilling for oil and

Open drilling for oil and Natural gas on our soil would add about 1 million jobs. We could start there.

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iLove 06/08/11 - 03:02 pm
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Chillen said: In summary.
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Chillen said: In summary. Despite his faults, Bush loved America. Obama shares Bush's faults but adds to them exponentially. And, obama does not love America. He wants fundmental transformation and for America to assimilate themselves in the New World Order."

Chillen please RESEARCH and KNOW THAT ALL PRESIDENTS except for maybe JFK were in on the whole "NWO take over". It is pretty lame of you to just consider ONE president to be involved. . . heck it is MORE THAN THE PRESIDENTS.

Seek God while we still have time.

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follower 06/08/11 - 03:09 pm
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Just to answer the question

Just to answer the question posed by the headline, "Do Obama and Bush differ that much?"..............................Yes!

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Chillen 06/08/11 - 03:27 pm
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jesussaves. Only a liberal

jesussaves. Only a liberal would think that fiscal conservatives who ask for self control in spending by our politicians are Un-American and racist. Wow.

Seems to me that the folks who don't care about excessive spending & borrowing are un-American because that will be our un-doing as a nation. You can count on that. But, hey, as long as you get your bene's now, screw the country & the children. It's their problem, not yours, right? Selfish.

Jesussaves, you should also know that the republicans can do nothing because the Senate shoots down everything they suggest & obama would veto it anyway if it managed to squeak through the Senate. Or the media attacks them, putting out videos of them throwing granma's in a wheelchair off of a cliff.

Don't worry, when power is restored in 2012 to the Republicans we can finally start making progress - though I think it will be too late - we are too far gone to survive as one country. That is all assuming that we get fiscal conservatives, not social conservatives in elected positions.

iLove. This is letter about Bush & Obama, not the last 15 presidents. I'm pointing out Obama's faults as they relate to our current situation, since he is, after all, the current President and the one who is wrecking our economy and our country. He is literally the KING of New World Order. The rest of the Presidents pale in comparison to this disaster-in-chief.

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Brad Owens 06/08/11 - 03:35 pm
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Two sides of the same coin.

Two sides of the same coin. We need free and open elections. We need open ballot access for multi-party elections. Open primaries are the best; everyone runs on one primary ballot and the top two vote getters (if no one gets 50% plus one vote) go at it in a run-off/general election.

Open the ballot for all peoples, not just Reichpublicans and Demoncrats.

We cannot have true freedom with a two party system.

Brad

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JesusSavesAtCitiBank 06/08/11 - 03:51 pm
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The two party system is going

The two party system is going to be the death of this country.

For so long now, it has just been Republicans and Democrats and I'm quite sick of both. While Democrats nauseate me with the constant need for more government, Republicans completely sicken me with their mantra of less government and less spending, as long as we keep spending money on their projects and enforcing their moral beliefs.

People like to point to the Tea Party as an alternative but really, they're no more than a disorganized collection of a few old Dixiecrats, some independents, some Libertarians and the hard right wing of the Republicans. While the talk of financial responsibility and deficit reduction are their main shtick, they are generally all social conservatives who believe that everything that ails America is the fault of liberals, government and what ever other enemy du jour they've been told about. These are all people who probably would have voted for a candidate with an "R" after their name anyhow rather than let anyone who had a "D" after their name win.

That's basically what it comes down to is that both parties have us programmed to be so afraid of the opposite voting bloc that we will take whatever they have just to avoid having the "enemy" win. You turn on any news commentary and over and over, you will see a pundit pointing to the extreme views of a group on the other side, telling us how afraid we should be of them. The extremists are usually the minority in a party but they control the dialogue and they are usually the ones who end up choosing the candidates the party nominates. I truly believe that the majority of voters cast ballots in fear of the other side and not out of admiration for the candidate who gets their vote. As long as we continue to allow ourselves to be tricked into being afraid of others with different ideas, we cannot move forward.

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Chillen 06/08/11 - 04:08 pm
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The tea party folks are

The tea party folks are primarily fiscal conservatives, not social conservatives. Though you can be both.

Show me a fiscally responsible democrat and I'll vote for them. To date in modern America, there have been zero. Therefore, they will never get my vote.

Jesussaves - you said "I truly believe that the majority of voters cast ballots in fear of the other side and not out of admiration for the candidate who gets their vote."

I agree 100%. There are pitifully few politicians to actually admire. But they do exist. As a general rule, good people won't run. They will be drug through the mud by the media and the opposer and no one wants to subject themselves to that. I wouldn't.

Based on our current political system and our current economic situation I don't think we are going to make it. It's a sad thing to say but I think the great America may defeat itself. With help from the terrorists who have caused us to spend tens of trillions of dollars that we don't have on "safety" & wars since 9-11.

If/When we split up, just point me to the freedom loving, fiscal conservative side. It would take me 2 hours to get my stuff together and go there.

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Chillen 06/08/11 - 04:17 pm
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What we need is minimal

What we need is minimal federal govt and a return to states rights. I'm talking drastic power removal from the feds - to the tune of about 90% less.

Part time politicians, a small but excellent military, a few federal laws and basic federal infrastructure.

The states would handle everything else - the things the feds used to take care of. If you want to live in safety net socialism, then move to a socialist state (california, illinois, oregon, new york). If you prefer freedom, independence & low taxes, choose that state (idaho, montana, texas). There would be some in between also (georgia, south carolina, alabama).

Then America could remain intact and people would be happy with their government because within the same country, you can choose the level of govt you are willing to put up with and fund. Some states would have 50% taxes but provide lots of govt perks/services, some only 5-10% but you have to self fund most things. Your choice.

Remove Power from the Federal Govt. Return Power to the States.

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Chillen 06/08/11 - 04:29 pm
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Great video about states

Great video about states rights. Throws a bit of humor in there but the point is made. BTW, the zombie is the media and the status quo politicians who refuse to stop spending.

http://www.tomwoods.com/blog/interview-with-a-zombie/

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orb 06/08/11 - 05:10 pm
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CHILLEN's list of 20 says it

CHILLEN's list of 20 says it very well. However, I do believe that he is incorrect when he says: " Obama has added 1/2 a trillion per year more to our debt than Bush did."

I believe that more correctly Obama has added one trillion + more to the debt each year than President Bush. I believe the maximum deficit in any year under President Bush was always less than $500 billion.

CHILLEN is dreadfully correct when he states: "Despite his faults, Bush loved America. Obama shares Bush's faults but adds to them exponentially. And, obama does not love America."

I would simply add that I believe Obama hates America, much like his beloved pastor name of Wright!

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