Ryan plan much better than Obamacare

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Anyone accepting the premise of a current Democrat-sponsored TV ad -- showing an actor apparently portraying Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., pushing "Granny" and her wheelchair off a cliff -- should take a closer look at Obamacare's planned plunder of $500 billion from Medicare to help pay for it.

Rep. Ryan's proposal leaves the Medicare benefits untouched for current seniors ages 55 and older, while laying out a framework to reduce federal involvement in the program and allow it to finally become fiscally viable.

On top of the $500 billion carve-out, Obamacare mandates a 15-member Independent Payment Advisory Board, an unelected and unaccountable bureaucratic entity with nearly limitless power over federal Medicare spending, to administer an adjustable cap on provider charges. Mightn't this tend to promote such low reimbursements as to foster Medicare rejections by providers, resulting in de facto rationing?

In the present environment, no fix is going to immediately provide all the needed answers, but a cost-reducing fix is absolutely necessary to keep Medicare afloat. Such disingenuous ads as the one described above do nothing but continue to show us the underlying motivation of the typical "progressive" politician -- re-election by any means available, however devious or misleading, with little regard for, or memory of, the real reasons we sent him or her to Washington.

In our burgeoning, entitlement-laden welfare state -- where slightly less than half of the adult population actually pay income tax and 15 percent collect food stamps -- it doesn't require rocket science to figure out how we amassed our $14.4 trillion debt. It will take something akin to rocket science, however, to convince the voters on the receiving end that this trend must be reversed. If it isn't, then God better bless America, because she's on an accelerating path to implosion.

Terrence Bedell

Appling

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Techfan
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Techfan 06/07/11 - 07:53 am
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"Rationing Health Care? In

"Rationing Health Care?

In his April 20 statement, Ryan also falsely asserted that health care for seniors would be rationed to reduce Medicare costs.

Ryan, April 20: His budget commits seniors to bureaucratically rationed health care, burdens families with ever-higher taxes, and consigns our children and grandchildren to a diminished future.

It’s a matter of opinion whether any budget will help or hurt “our children or grandchildren,” so we won’t address that. But let’s look at the claims about “ever-higher taxes” and “bureaucratically rationed health care.”

Ryan twice warns of Obama’s plan to “ration” health care for the elderly. He also says, “The greatest threat to the health security of America’s seniors is the President’s plan to deeply and systematically ration Medicare.”

Ryan spokesman Conor Sweeney told us in an e-mail that the claim of rationing refers to funding for the Independent Payment Advisory Board created by the federal health care law. But it’s wrong to say that the advisory board will ration care or that it will be run by bureaucrats, as we wrote when Sarah Palin made a similar claim.

The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act says the advisory board “shall not include any recommendation to ration health care, raise revenues or Medicare beneficiary premiums.” Also, the board isn’t made up of Washington bureaucrats. The 15 voting members will be appointed by the president in consultation with congressional leaders; they must include doctors and other health care professionals, economists and health care finance experts, and representatives of consumers and seniors, as the American Medical Association explains. There will also be three non-voting members: the Health and Human Services secretary, and the administrators of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services and the Health Resources and Services Administration."
http://www.factcheck.org/2011/05/ryans-budget-spin/

" "Congress plans to pay for health care reform by cutting $500 billion from Medicare." The ad doesn’t mention that the $500 billion is a gross figure that counts only proposed cuts while ignoring any increases, including a big increase the bill proposes in projected payments to doctors. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office has estimated that the House bill would result in "savings" of $219 billion after all increases and decreases are netted out. The House bill would trim projected increases in payments for hospitals, insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies and others, including home health care providers and suppliers of motor-driven wheelchairs. But it also proposes what CBO estimates is a $245 billion increase in spending for doctors, by canceling a scheduled 21 percent cut in physician payments. None of the "savings" or "cuts" (whichever you prefer) come from reducing current or future benefit levels for seniors"
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/more-senior-scare/

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onlysane1left 06/07/11 - 08:03 am
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I love how people insinuate

I love how people insinuate stuff like the entitlement state was something that just popped up yesterday, or with the current adminstration. Welfare has been going on for years. Clinton and the Repubs reformed it and lessened the rolls in the mid 1990's. There were more people on it then, than now. 53% of adults pay income taxes. This trend stated to increase from the 20% average in the in the early 90's then ballooned in the early 2000's. Obama didn't change any tax laws, he continued the Bush tax cuts, remember. Blame him for not fixing it fast enough, but he isn't the cause, just the end result of poor economy policy for the last 35 years.

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justthefacts 06/07/11 - 08:16 am
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Meanwhile we all wait

Meanwhile we all wait patiently for the Democrats to propose a plan.

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soldout 06/07/11 - 08:24 am
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We need to get government out

We need to get government out of health care and education as a start. If the government would just provide for our defense and safety good people can handle the rest. According to the Word this nation can choose between curses and blessings and God said to choose blessings. Choosing the devil's side in every situation probably isn't working out very well right now. Those who demand separation of church and state really want separation of God from this country and are doing the devil's work quite well to this point. In every place you remove Godly influence you get satan as the replacement. Most folks can figure out this country is going down hill. Most really know why but few will voice it. Every problem has a spiritual root and the fix is always spiritual. Europe started rejecting God earlier than us and they are falling apart like a two dollar suitcase and running out of folks to borrow money from. They are showing us where we are heading but we still have time to turn this around and enough people around that know how.

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Techfan 06/07/11 - 08:24 am
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They have a plan. It's called

They have a plan. It's called Medicare.

justthefacts
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justthefacts 06/07/11 - 08:41 am
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Oh yes, that is a great plan.

Oh yes, that is a great plan. I forgot. Why worry, let's party like it's 2050 when 30% of every dollar collected is spent on Medicare. According to the CBO, by that time SS, Medicare/caid will consume the entire Federal Budget. I guess at least we won't have to spend any more money on defense (libs and radical Muslims will like that). Like Retired Army said,we'll all be dead, the kids can deal with it.

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Bizkit 06/07/11 - 08:47 am
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I can see why Medicaid is

I can see why Medicaid is called an entitlement, but social security and Medicare are health insurance that we and our employers pay into. The real issue should be why we don't make an issue of how they have robbed these coffers that were supposed to be protected. As I understand, that if fraud were eliminated that all would be solvent.

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Bizkit 06/07/11 - 08:55 am
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Seems we can say with

Seems we can say with impunity, after decades (since 65), that the social security act is a dismal failure and our government is incompetent to implement such a program. I don't see how we can expect them to offer any solutions. I agree we should have a health care system that will reduce costs and be able to address all americans-but I don't see any Dem or Rep really capable of this task. I hoped that Obama would be a change that would address this, but guess again. eh. More political rhetoric and partly line crap.

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Techfan 06/07/11 - 09:15 am
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Try 19% (2010 budget, latest

Try 19% (2010 budget, latest that I can find figures). You must have confused it with the military, which was 32%. Of course, thanks to tax cuts and the recession, receipts are about what they were in 1997 (in constant dollars). That's been the Republican plan all along, dating back to the Reagan administration. Cut taxes and increase military spending to the point where social programs have to be cut.

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southern2 06/07/11 - 09:19 am
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Once again the politicos are

Once again the politicos are out to punish the law abiding worker bees. I'm talking about those under 55 who have paid into the Medicare system and now that they are close to receiving some return for their lifetime of contributions they are about to get the rug snatched out from under them. Why not address the infinite flow of tax dollars going to the moochers? The generational welfare recipients that are provided Medicaid, food, housing, tax refunds without paying a dime in taxes. Cut them off first and see if screwing the under 55 workers is still necessary.

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nofanofobama 06/07/11 - 09:58 am
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lets see ...does not members

lets see ...does not members of congress health care plan have a group of choices and then they choose the best for them and their family..and benefit money is applied to the chosen plan in their name..and did not congress vote themselves ought of obama care..sounds like ryans plan of choosing a plan that is best for you and your family and not one size fits all is like congess's plan... and if that is one of the main components of ryans plan you would think congress would defend the plan because it like their plan..oh thats right they are the ruling class and laws they pass dont apply to them while in office and retirement..obamacare is an intrusion in to individual rights and panels set up by undelected officials will never have your best interest at heart. and medicare quickly goes bankrupt while those who refuse to admit theirs a problem stick their heads in the sand..we are not a rich country anymore. we are broke deal with it...

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allhans 06/07/11 - 10:02 am
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the Dems plan called

the Dems plan called Medicare, or to be p.c., Obamacare, lowers payments made for your medical care 20%, from 80% paid down to 60%. Now this might not hurt the rich but it will play havoc on members who live week to week.
Does no one ever look at these plans. Have you seen the additional billions of dollars (just exposed) that Obamacare care will pass along to states that already suffer from a shortage?

OH yeah, they have a plan.

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allhans 06/07/11 - 10:07 am
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Chris Van Hollen (D) says

Chris Van Hollen (D) says that any savings from Medicare cuts will be used to pay the Prescription D do-nut hole which we know is ridiculous. I would like to see Hollen tell us what percentage of subscribers actually fall into the donut hole.
My aunt went into hole for the grand amount of $222.00 out of pocket.
And this is the saving grace promised by Obamacare??
I prefer to pay the $222.00 and let her have the 80% in medical costs she now has.

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justthefacts 06/07/11 - 10:55 am
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USA Today: "The government

USA Today: "The government added $5.3 trillion in new financial obligations in 2010, largely for retirement programs such as Medicare and Social Security. That brings to a record $61.6 trillion the total of financial promises not paid for". That's a cool $500K per family. When you Dems are through taking pictures of your woo hoo, maybe you can share your plan instead of criticizing others who are concerned.

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JesusSavesAtCitiBank 06/07/11 - 12:44 pm
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My biggest complaint with

My biggest complaint with President Obama is that thus far he hasn't put his foot down and said enough is enough. This man has bent over backwards to try to work with the republicans who have made it clear that they have no intention of doing the same. I didn't expect much from a group who's leaders last election day said their primary goal was to "make Obama a one term president". But I didn't think they would be willing to stand in the way of economic and social recovery simply because they don't like the man. For 8 years on the republican watch we hemmoraged jobs, and money. And their best argument seems to be "we will do nothing to work with you and it's been almost 3 years and it's not fixed." When he in effect says meet me halfway, they say come even farther. You've been doing it for almost three years now. No more! Don't you dare budge on the debt ceiling. If they want to be stubborn and take us down that road so be it. It's time to stop letting the far right minority have their way.

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JesusSavesAtCitiBank 06/07/11 - 12:41 pm
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Also Mr. Bedell you have a

Also Mr. Bedell you have a very limited awareness of the facts, to say the least. The Republicans in Congress demanded that Obama convert more than 40% of the stimulus package into utterly useless tax cuts which were so small that they had virtually no stimulus effect on the economy. That severely weakened the rest of the package and ensured that it would less effective. If Obama had not agreed to that, the Republicans in the Senate vowed to filibuster and block the entire bill. Doesn't matter who controls the Senate. The minority party can keep anything from coming up for a vote by filibustering and that's exactly what Republicans have been doing for the last 2 1/2 years. They did the same thing on the Affordable Care Act. They made it impossible to pass the most effective health care reform by threatening to filibuster the bill and prevent it from even coming to the Senate floor if there was a public option. They also refused to allow a vote on an amendment which would have given Medicare administrators the power to negotiate with Big Pharma on drug prices, which would have saved Medicare AND seniors billions of dollars in drug costs.

If you know what's really been going on the Senate and House and still support the GOP, you need to have your head examined.

Obama walked in to office with a $1.3 trillion deficit and the biggest economic collapse since the Great Depression. Then the largest environmental disaster in American history. There's not a person in the world that can have made this country magically better. And it's not going to get better any time soon, and I guarantee you it will only get worse with Republican's trying to make the poor even poorer.

Norway is one of the best countries to live in currently, full democracy, good economy, good education, good health. They are #2 in the world in taxation behind Sweden who is also a great country to live in. The U.S. which is not so hot in education, health, economy, etc hardly taxes at all compared to these other nations. Get the hint?

JesusSavesAtCitiBank
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JesusSavesAtCitiBank 06/07/11 - 12:58 pm
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This "So-and-so hates

This "So-and-so hates America" business is tiresome. I don't think any American actually hates America.

I do, however, think that the GOP loves only one rigid, static image of America, and instead of acknowledging the multitude of other people and variables that come into play, they would rather focus all their attention on the rich, the white, and the Christian. They'd rather simply ignore the fact that there are hundreds of millions of others who do not fit their core demographic, and while it may still be a viable short-term strategy, it does them no favors as the country continues to evolve.

They need to start thinking big picture and looking beyond their narrow checklist of platform positions, or they risk going the way of the Whigs and the Bull Moose Party. Maybe not next year, or 50 years, or even 100 years from now. But it will happen

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justthefacts 06/07/11 - 01:17 pm
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Oh jesus loves to play fast

Oh jesus loves to play fast and loose with the facts doesn't she. President Obama, in order to get PhRMA to endorse PPACA removed the provision to allow the gov't to negotiate drug prices.

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nofanofobama 06/07/11 - 02:03 pm
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JCS--you mean like working

JCS--you mean like working with the repuplicans by saying you can get on the bus but you got to sit in the back. and all the close door meeting the dims had to pass obama care. .your understanding of economics is naive..if you thought obams trillion dollar program was going to work your misquided.. taking water from one end of the pool and placing it in the other end DOES NOT raise the water level..that what obama did...except his pail was full of holes and we did not even keep the status qua..also according to most economist the recession obama inherited officially ended in may or june of 2009...so everything he got passed did nothing to help us get out of the resession.. his policies however has deflated any normal recovery in a given business cycle and has made things worse...and i hope we defeat obama's awful policies that is destroying our economy...

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InChristLove 06/07/11 - 02:37 pm
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"This man has bent over

"This man has bent over backwards to try to work with the republican" LOL.....what a lie!!

"I didn't expect much from a group who's leaders last election day said their primary goal was to "make Obama a one term president".
Well what did you expect.....they didn't want Obama as president and don't think he can run the country.....did you honestly think they'd say "Okay, he won....let's give up and let him have 8 years to destroy American." I guess it's true....ignorance is bliss.

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Willow Bailey 06/07/11 - 03:47 pm
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retired army I am really glad

retired army
I am really glad to hear you say you believe in the existence of God and the value of one nation under God. I, also agree with you when you stated our founding fathers didn't want religion forced upon us. They wanted freedom of choice, just as God gives us the freedom to choose.

I further believe that the premise of separation of church and state, was an effort to protect citizens from the state interfering in church matters; not the churches presence in state matters.

Our current problems do exist because our society as a whole has become so far removed from the God of Abraham and his teachings. It's no longer an argument of doctrine or dominations, it is truly a contest between good and evil. But even so, there is reason for great hope, because, God has already won the battle. The struggle for us will be carrying on until the day of victory.

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JesusSavesAtCitiBank 06/07/11 - 04:26 pm
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Jesus christ Willow! If you

Jesus christ Willow! If you don't want the state in church business than the church SHOULDN'T be in state business! You can't have it both ways. If you want your church to have a say so in state matter than have them start paying taxes. Also you need a brief history lesson:

Many of our founding fathers were Deists, not Christians­. Deists believe in God in the same way that Christians do, but dispense with the trappings of organized religion. Deists have no problem talking about God and Faith, but to them the word "God" does not mean "Christian­" or "Jesus". Thomas Jefferson himself went as far as to conceive "The Jefferson Bible", or "The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth", hoping to establish a review of the morals of the ancient philosophe­rs, moving on to the ethics of the Jews, and concluding with the "principle­s of a pure deism" taught by Jesus, "omitting the question of his deity." In short, Thomas Jefferson revered the teachings of Jesus Christ, but did not believe he was a divine being. To declare that Thomas Jefferson and the founding fathers were intent on the creation of a "Christian nation" is delusional­, at best.

Jefferson himself lays this to rest best: "Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting 'Jesus Christ', so that it would read 'A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion'; the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend­, within the mantle of its protection­, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan­, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denominati­on."

-Thomas Jefferson, Autobiogra­phy, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom

Also you might want to google "Treaty of Tripoli, Article 11" ;-)

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Willow Bailey 06/07/11 - 04:41 pm
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Citibank, You really need to

Citibank,

You really need to change your avatar, it is more offensive than anything you say, and maybe that is your intention.

When our country was founded there were those who were fighting over denominations and the desire to impose a national denomination tied into allowing people to vote, totally defeating the majority's desire of freedom in and of religion.

Christians having and expressing a voice in our government helps to keep a moral and godly focus at the fore front of our laws and standards of living and governing. Where do you think the laws of this country come from? I'll answer for you...God's Word. God is perfect, AND NO, His people are not perfect. That doesn't make us hypocrites, it makes us a work in progress. Without the moral majority, life wouldn't be worth living on this earth even for the evil doers and atheist.

So, if you truly succeed in silencing the Christians in government, you open your own Pandora's box. That was Adolph Hitler's first step into his reign of complete terror.

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nofanofobama 06/07/11 - 04:54 pm
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JSC...MANY OF THE FOUNDING

JSC...MANY OF THE FOUNDING FATHERS WERE CHRISTIAN..our country was based on judea-christian ethics..and your preaching is boring..it is christian ethics incoprorated in our bill of rights that allows the free practice of other religions in our country..

JesusSavesAtCitiBank
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JesusSavesAtCitiBank 06/07/11 - 04:59 pm
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You missed something. Like

You missed something. Like the fact that no where in the bible does it talk about unalienabl­e rights or inalienabl­e rights. There is no talk about everyone being created equal. There is no talk about "equality" at all. That wouldn't fit in very well with the society of that day, which accepted slavery (it's in the ten commandmen­ts), was extremely bigoted and discrimina­tory, especially against women and the poor. The biblical god is the king of bigots, as he slaughtere­d or ordered the slaughter of those who held different religious views. Just different views. And a major tenet of Christiani­ty is the mother of all genocides: the mass murder of all non-Christ­ians.

Tell me how the bible is in anyway compatible with a modern, pluralisti­c democracy. Tell me why we should base our life here, now, on a book that is so obviously filled with extremist, exclusiona­ry practices, bigotry, torture, imperialis­m, sadism, and ultra-anti­-democrati­c views?

In a nutshell, the way of the religious right is to want all to bow down to their god, submit to him, follow his ancient, outmoded, absurdist rules, or die and be tortured in hell. They ignore the only truly worthwhile thing in the New Testament, The Sermon on the Mount, and instead go for a warped reading of the Old Testament volcano god, Yahweh.

Thank heaven America isn't a "Christian­" nation. We'd have no democracy if we were.

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JesusSavesAtCitiBank 06/07/11 - 05:00 pm
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My question is why we feel

My question is why we feel the need to label this country in religious terms. Do people honestly believe that if we call ourselves a Christian nation it will help or hinder? That's falling into the trap that the current Islamic countries now face. It's irrelevant­, unless you want Christiani­ty to play a major role in government the way Islam does in the middle east. And if that's the case then you've steered far away from anything the founding fathers envisioned for our nation.

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allhans 06/07/11 - 06:04 pm
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I think Citibank is telling

I think Citibank is telling us that Jesus saves, if you ask to be saved he will save you even at a bank.

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ADAMS 06/07/11 - 06:09 pm
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I can said this am through

I can said this am through with this Ryan budget. I got 50 seniors( right now) line up ready to go vote next year,if they live to see it, who're depend on medicare and are fed up with Republicans tampering with they medicare and they all voting Democrat in 2012.

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allhans 06/07/11 - 06:26 pm
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So, Adams. You prefer the

So, Adams. You prefer the Obama-care plan. Wait until people see that it is NOT affordable. It will cost seniors and those on Medicaid much, much more than Ryan's plan will and NO, Ryan does NOT want to end Medicare. His plan wouldn't do anything for 10 more years and then those under the age of 55 (at that time) would buy a plan like they buy the drug plan now.

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JesusSavesAtCitiBank 06/07/11 - 06:47 pm
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I'm curious. Just how much

I'm curious. Just how much power do you think a president has? What
part of our economy does he control? What magic wand can he wave that will make those millions of manufacturing jobs we lost to Mexico, China, South Korea, and Taiwan come back to America? There isn't one.

Consumer spending is what fueled the economic booms of the 1920s, the 1950s, and the 1990s. But all booms come to an end. When people have all the toys and appliances they need, they stop buying them and companies look to other markets. Sometimes, in order to strike a deal, they have to close plants here in the U.S. and reopen them somewhere else closer to their new markets, perhaps employing their people, boosting their standard of living while at the same time hurting ours.

That's where unemployment comes from. It's not about us consumers any more. It's about shareholders and maximizing corporate profits and market share. How can a president control that?

This president even crossed the aisle and extended the Bush era tax cuts for the wealthy, but that hasn't led to the job growth that the Republicans said it would, and instead only seems to have added to the enormous debt looming over all of our heads.

Neither party has the answer. They say they do, but they don't. It's simple economic physics. Capital seeks the path of least resistance. It always has and always will.

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