What respect have radicals shown us?

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In response to your editorial "A picture of restraint" (May 6): You must have recalled a time in the past two decades when Muslim radicals, Hamas, jihadists, or al-Qaida praised us for our "class" or thanked us for not "spiking the ball." Or perhaps the media missed the occasion when these guys apologized for cutting off journalist Daniel Pearl's head in front of the cameras.

Do you actually believe that, deep in their hearts, these Islamic radicals are moved by the sorrow they have inflicted on us? True, we do not have to stoop to their level of depravity, but everyone's already seen bloody pictures of three terrorists holed up with Osama bin Laden. As you said, "To heck with them."

We do not have to prove we're classy by withholding the pictures of bin Laden, nor do we have to think twice about deference toward religious zealots. You said that facts have never gotten in the way of a Muslim doing what he wants anyway.

We show our class and restraint by refusing to throw the whole Muslim religion off the constitutional bus. We are careful to discern the crazies in Islam from the half-million who live in the United States peaceably.

We have lost the timing opportunity now, so "revisiting" the picture problem is a lost cause. Showing the pictures of a dead bin Laden to the Muslim world would be deliberately to affect them. The sight is proof-positive of whom they're dealing with.

Sadly, Obama has a spine of warm pasta. He had to "sleep on it overnight," thus bumping into bad weather and a postponement, even though this mission had been rehearsed to precision.

Pam Shumway

McCormick, S.C.

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Rhetor
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Rhetor 05/11/11 - 05:01 am
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Let me get this straight.

Let me get this straight. Obama authorized stepped-up efforts to find Bin Laden. These efforts succeeded. He authorized a risky mission that killed public enemy #1--a task that, through no fault of his own, eluded Bush--and you accuse Obama of having a heart of warm pasta? Are you serious? Grow up.

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 05/11/11 - 05:16 am
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1-15-09 prez elect obama

1-15-09 prez elect obama said it was no longer necessary to kill bin laden to win the war with al qaeda...sounds like a top priority..hes a liar this fell in his lap thru the dedication of the cia and the military.. to NOT acted on the oppurtunity would have been criminal.. in a war propoganda is a weapon ..i personally would have spiked the ball and did an end zone dance..unlike obama who is try ing to do both --spiking the ball and denying it..

Rhetor
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Rhetor 05/11/11 - 05:38 am
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Nofan, talk about sour

Nofan, talk about sour grapes.... What an unbelievable response! Here's what's really happening. Obama did something that really needed to be done. He devoted upgraded resources to the job and made a risky decision to go after Bin Laden on the basis of limited evidence. The mission succeeded and no American lives were lost. You know this. And are you happy? No! Why? Because success makes Obama look good, and you guys can't stand it. And the conservatives' response? You guys are angry--jealous that he succeeded--and complaining your heads off. Enough is enough. Obama did something that needed to get done--and conservatives need to grow up and make an adult response to the mission. Enough is enough.

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 05/11/11 - 05:58 am
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rheteor--you are absolutely

rheteor--you are absolutely wrong i am delighted that bin laden is dead..i am the one who wants to spike the ball..problem with you is that obama is a liar he says one thing and does another..not a top priority was his policy now that bin laden dead he was top priority..you can not have it both ways and at least i admit delight in our cia and military achievement..so deal with it and to be honest obama cant look good he is lying most the time..and that is a triat that disqualifies him in my book..great he gave the go head on the mission ...what prez would not..like i said to do anything different would have been criminal.

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Techfan 05/11/11 - 06:27 am
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nofan: It looks like you're

nofan: It looks like you're getting your quotes, and your presidents confused. "In 2006, conservative Weekly Standard editor Fred Barnes told Hannity’s Fox News that in a recent meeting with Bush, the president had told him “bin Laden doesn’t fit with the administration’s strategy for combating terrorism.” Barnes said Bush told him that capturing bin Laden is “not a top priority use of American resources.”
Also Bush quote in March 2002 press conference:
"Who knows if he's hiding in some cave or not. We haven't heard from him in a long time. The idea of focusing on one person really indicates to me people don't understand the scope of the mission. Terror is bigger than one person. He's just a person who's been marginalized.... I don't know where he is. I really just don't spend that much time on him, to be honest with you.
Obama's quote:" I think that we have to so weaken his infrastructure that, whether he is technically alive or not, he is so pinned down that he cannot function. My preference obviously would be to capture or kill him. But if we have so tightened the noose that he's in a cave somewhere and can't even communicate with his operatives, then we will meet our goal of protecting America."
Analysis - Bush: Not concerned at all. Obama: Keep him pinned down with a preference to kill or capture.

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belle 05/11/11 - 06:31 am
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Why all the fuss about a
Unpublished

Why all the fuss about a stupid picture? What good is it? If it is released, 50% who see it will say it fake and he is still alive. Of the other 50% about 15% whould be offended by the scene. Let's assume Bin Laden is gone from our lives and move on.

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Riverman1 05/11/11 - 07:28 am
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Nofan, great Obama quote from

Nofan, great Obama quote from 1-15-09. You are incisive and correct that this thing fell into Obama's lap. He is trying to spike the ball as you say while denying it. He should have given the ball to his offensive linemen like a great player does and let them spike it.

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dani 05/11/11 - 10:57 am
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The U.S. now wants access to

The U.S. now wants access to bin Ladens wives...why didn't they keep them while they had them? Anybody have the answer? Surely they thought ahead to the chance that they might have to take prisoners to Afghanistan with them.

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 05/11/11 - 11:27 am
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techfan your conclusions are

techfan your conclusions are wrong, simple and plain..our commander n campaigner had everything fall in his lap..i would have prayed he acted as he did yet by his own words he was indecisive...after all we are not dealing with terrorist but man-made disasters..i congratulate obama on simply doing his job made easy by years of intelliegence and hard work by cia agents whom Holder his attorney general still wants tp prosecute..

SouthernChic
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SouthernChic 05/11/11 - 01:09 pm
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If Obama used Bush's intel he

If Obama used Bush's intel he would have been still looking in caves. If Bush had such smoking gun intellegence, why wasn't Bin Laden caught under his administration? Everything I've read about the Bin Laden killing said that they didn't even get intellegence that he was hanging out in Abbottabad until 2010.

SouthernChic
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SouthernChic 05/11/11 - 01:20 pm
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From CNN, May 2, 2011: • Two

From CNN, May 2, 2011:
• Two years ago: Investigators identified areas of Pakistan where Bin Laden's courier and brother lived.

• August 2010: The residence of the courier and his brother was found in Abbottabad, 30 to 35 miles north of Islamabad, Pakistan's capital.

• September 2010: The CIA worked with President Barack Obama "on a set of assessments that led it to believe that in fact it was possible" bin Laden may be at the compound in Abbottabad.

• February 2011: U.S. officials concluded there was a "sound intelligence basis" for pursuing bin Laden at that location.

• March and April 2011. Obama held a series of National Security Council meetings "to develop courses of action to bring justice to Osama bin Laden." There were at least five meetings: March 14, March 29, April 12, April 19 and Thursday.

• Friday. Obama gave the final order to pursue the operation.

• Sunday. After months of decision-making and planning, a U.S. military team conducted a small helicopter raid on the compound. The officials did not provide a breakdown of team members, but a senior U.S. defense official said U.S. Navy SEALs were involved in the operation.

The senior administration officials provided these details of the raid:

• The team was in the compound for 40 minutes. It did not encounter any local authorities during the raid.

• Bin Laden resisted the assault force and died in a firefight. Along with bin Laden, three adult males were killed.

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Willow Bailey 05/11/11 - 01:38 pm
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One thing we can all be

One thing we can all be assured of is if the mission had failed and there had been a severe backlash, President Obama would have distanced himself from any responsibility.

Though I will never vote for him and see him as a self serving political opportunist, I still appreciate the fact that he did not prevent the mission from taking place and that his decision was to not show the photographs.

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 05/11/11 - 02:32 pm
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cnn ---well that settles

cnn ---well that settles it...case closed.

SouthernChic
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SouthernChic 05/11/11 - 02:43 pm
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Nofan, do you have evidence

Nofan, do you have evidence that proves CNN is wrong? Let's see it. Put your money where your mouth is.

SouthernChic
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SouthernChic 05/11/11 - 02:47 pm
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Wow Willow Bailey, you have

Wow Willow Bailey, you have the gift being able to predict what what would have happened in a different situation? Someone call Miss Cleo and Sylvia Brown!

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 05/11/11 - 03:14 pm
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perhaps you missed the debate

perhaps you missed the debate whether water boarding helped in discovering leads that lead to the courier. quardian story on may 3rd stated that the clues to the courier system goe back to 2005. water boarding would not be an issue if this started in 2010 as you claim.

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Chillen 05/11/11 - 03:23 pm
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Quote from CIA director Leon

Quote from CIA director Leon Panetta.

“We had multiple series of sources that provided information with regards to this situation … clearly some of it came from detainees [and] they used these enhanced interrogation techniques against some of those detainees,” Mr. Panetta said. He confirmed – “that’s correct” – when asked specifically whether waterboarding was one of the techniques.

Waterboarding was done under Bush. Waterboarding helped us gather criticial intelligence.

Without it, Bin Laden would still be walking among us. At least according to the obama administration's own CIA Director.

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Willow Bailey 05/11/11 - 04:16 pm
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southernchic, yeah, I can

southernchic, yeah, I can look at past behaviors and have some real insight. In fact, I predicted your response as well. It's called a track record of one's behavior and character.

SouthernChic
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SouthernChic 05/11/11 - 10:49 pm
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Donald Rumsfeld just came out

Donald Rumsfeld just came out and said there was no waterboarding at gitmo.

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/DonaldRumsfeld-gitmo-waterboarding-osama...

For the sake of argument, I'll accept that under the Bush Administration they caught the terrorist who exposed Bin Laden's courier. But the bottom line still stands, they didn't catch him. Rumsfeld blew that chance in Tora Bora.

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