Let vaccine study settle autism dispute

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The question "to vaccinate or not to vaccinate" is as controversial as it was five years ago.

Information and passionate opposing viewpoints flood the media and now the bookstores. Vaccine Epidemic is the newest book that makes a case for vaccine choice as a fundamental human right. There are many essays by lawyers, scientists and historians and a number of poignant, personal stories. This book revisits the whole United States vaccine program.

Regardless what you read -- both sides are not a bad idea -- this debate is not going away anytime soon. The autism numbers are climbing, and schools are unable to meet the challenges. Soon there will be close to a million children reaching adulthood, and the United States has no plans in place for them, and limited resources.

Those who believe unsafe vaccines are related to autism are begging for a vaccinated-vs.-unvaccinated study of children that will settle this dispute. If the study finds that there is one out of 58 unvaccinated young boys suffering from autism to match the numbers of vaccinated, then it would be settled. This study has never been done and there are tens of thousands of unvaccinated children, so it would not be unethical.

Maurine Meleck

North Augusta, S.C.

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terminusmundi
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terminusmundi 03/07/11 - 12:56 am
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"The question "to vaccinate

"The question "to vaccinate or not to vaccinate" is as controversial as it was five years ago."

No it's not. There is universal scientific consensus that there is absolutely no observed relationship between the MMR vaccine and autism. I assume the letter-writer, misinformed as she is, is referring to the 1998 paper by Andrew Wakefield in Lancet that has been universally condemned by incredibly diverse elements of the scientific community as a hoax. You can check the exhaustively researched and detailed Wikipedia article here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine_controversy

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copperhead 03/07/11 - 02:21 am
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I am from the government and

I am from the government and am here to help you. I'm on your side and have your best interest at heart. Line up and let me give you this shot. It's best for you,I promise.

Sideshow Bob
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Sideshow Bob 03/07/11 - 05:36 am
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One out of 58 gets autism v/s

One out of 58 gets autism v/s all 58 die of smallpox. You decide.

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carcraft 03/07/11 - 06:08 am
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There have been HUGH long

There have been HUGH long term studies from European countries that show there is no evidence that vaccines produce autism.

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Techfan 03/07/11 - 06:39 am
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Who is this Hugh?

Who is this Hugh?

popcares
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popcares 03/07/11 - 08:11 am
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Whether to vaccinate or not

Whether to vaccinate or not is as controversial as it was five years ago ..

Terminundis responded:

"No it's not. There is universal scientific consensus that there is absolutely no observed relationship between the MMR vaccine and autism"

My friend, with all due respect .. while there may be a consensus between vested interests .. such as .. vaccine manufacturers who profit from them, public health officials who recommend and approve them .. or .. the medical professionals who administer them .. it would be incorrect to claim these heavily vested interests represent some type of "universal scientific consensus" .. on whether or not parents should vaccinate their children according to the recommended schedule.

For instance .. Dr. Bernardine Healy .. former head of the prestigious National Institute of Health .. believes there may be a small subset of children, who for whatever reason, genetic, metabolic, immunological, mitochondrial .. may be susceptible to vaccines, or to one particular vaccine or a component of a vaccine, such as, mercury, aluminum, etc. Dr. Healy further believes public health officials have been too quick to dismiss that possibility.

Dr. Healy's concerns are not only "scientifically" reasonable .. they are simple "common sense".

Which makes the determined refusal of public health officials to support pending federal leglislation seeking to fund a scientific, independent study of vaccinated vs. unvaccinate populations .. inexcusable.

After all, former Director of the CDC, Dr. Julie Gerberding has stated this study not only "could" be done .. it "should" be done.

So .. what are they waiting for?

msitua
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msitua 03/07/11 - 09:23 am
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Since the drug companies are

Since the drug companies are no longer accountable for any vaccine injury, then we must have no more vaccine mandates, but we must have vaccine choice and informed consent.
The MMR is is but one vaccine(well, really 3 rolled into one) Dr. Wakefield is innocent-read Callous Disregard. There are many other vaccines to consider-in fact, 70 jabs of 16 different vaccines by the time a child reachers the age of 18.
Faulty European studies won't due. We don't have the same vaccine schedule. We need that vax vs unvaxed American study.
There is no more smallpox, but there is autism. Diseases come and go on their own. American has brainwashed you into thinking the vaccines did it.

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burninater 03/07/11 - 10:27 am
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Vaccines are not 100%

Vaccines are not 100% effective against the diseases they attempt to prevent -- they just make your body much more likely to resist the infection. Unvaccinated children can help an epidemic to occur, infecting vaccinated and unvaccinated children alike (as in a whooping cough outbreak in CA last year --

"There's indirect evidence that people who refuse to vaccinate their children may be playing a role in the whooping cough epidemic, suggested Gilberto Chavez, MD, chief of the California Department of Health's infectious disease center.

Chavez noted that most whooping cough cases tend to occur in areas where the most parents exempt their kids from routine vaccination -- a choice that California state law permits the parents of school children.

"We have noticed that to some degree [the epidemic pattern] matches counties where there is a higher percent of kids not immunized because of personal-belief exemptions [to school-required vaccination]," he said at the news conference." http://children.webmd.com/vaccines/news/20100721/whooping-cough-epidemic...).

In addition, nearly eradicated diseases such as polio have been making comebacks, particularly in countries where the myth is spread that vaccines are American attempts to poison/infect children.

To borrow a metaphor: saying that vaccinations are a personal choice is like saying that drunk driving is a personal choice, and those of us that don't want to suffer the consequences of that choice should just stay off the roads.

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soldout 03/07/11 - 10:47 am
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The parents know and those

The parents know and those with common sense know there is a relationship between vaccines and autism. Wakefield's studies were re-done recently and he was right. If you believe studies funded by drug companies and an FDA full of x drug company folks and headed to work for the drug companies again then that is your choice. If you follow the money that won't be your choice. If there isn't a connection then using naet to fix the results of the vaccine would not help the autism but it does. Also if there is no connection a child would not be out of control if you touched him with a frequency vial containing the frequency of one of the vaccines. A child's body will tell us the truth a lot quicker than some multi-million dollar study.

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kmb413 03/07/11 - 11:09 am
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My children were vaccinated

My children were vaccinated and are fine. No autism. Someone very close did not have his son vaccinated and his son has autism.

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JM88 03/07/11 - 11:17 am
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Just as tobacco money has

Just as tobacco money has corrupted science, so too has pharmaceutical money.

The ironic thing is that the science fetishists will vehemently defend vaccines even though they have never actually been tested using the scientific method of experimination and observation.

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Chillen 03/07/11 - 11:19 am
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I agree with kmb413. I, my

I agree with kmb413. I, my spouse & my children were all vaccinated. No autism. No problems.

Burninator is right too. "Unvaccinated children can help an epidemic to occur, infecting vaccinated and unvaccinated children alike"

terminusmundi
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terminusmundi 03/07/11 - 12:12 pm
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I guess it's really a waste

I guess it's really a waste of my time to try and form a coherent, logical argument against people who use terms like "science fetishists". The fact is, to you who are reading this article right now and are most likely legitimately concerned about the health of your children, there is absolutely no scientific evidence from any organization, from any country, from any level of profit or non-profit, that vaccines cause autism. The same people who tell you they do are the same people trying to sell you books like "Natural Cures THEY Don't Want You To Know About" and other pseudoscientific nonsense.

I would love to know, however, what a "frequency vial" is, because that sounds like something fun. Please share, soldout.

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momof2heads 03/07/11 - 12:17 pm
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Why aren't anti-vaccine

Why aren't anti-vaccine groups like Age of Autism, SafeMinds and Generation Rescue funding these studies? They have the resources to fund them. Oh wait, Generation Rescue DID fund one of these "studies". Hmmm... I wonder why we never heard the results. It's because the results actually showed that unvaccinated children had a slightly increased rate of autism than those who were vaccinated! http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/06/a-vaccinated-vs-unvaccinated-st...

As the mother of 2 children, one on the spectrum and both completely vaccinated, I strongly encourage any parents who ask my opinion to vaccinate their kids. This was the first year I didn't get my kids the flu vaccine, and the last! My daughter came down with the flu the day before her birthday!!

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msitua 03/07/11 - 01:35 pm
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I too tell you that if you

I too tell you that if you choose to vaccinate your children(and you have educated yourself thoroughly) then go ahead and do it. However, those of us who know our children were progressing normally until vaccinations and then they regressed----choose not to vaccinate any longer. All we want at this point is vaccine choice with no mandates-especially in light of the Supreme Court taking away our right to sue drug makers in civil court. And BTW-there is no other drug product that has this limitation. It is our constitutuional right to decide what drugs go into our childrens' bodies and our own. And especially until it can be proved that all vaccines are safe for all children--people should be able to choose. We will no longer sacrifice our children for the so-called greater good. Where does one draw the line?

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Techfan 03/07/11 - 01:57 pm
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You have to feel sorry for

You have to feel sorry for the anti-vaccine crowd (not the hucksters who are in it to sell something). They ignore study after study, always claiming that the study not done will uphold their point of view. They are grasping at straws for an answer to what caused the illness and get suckered in to a bunch of hype from quacks out to make money. "My kid was fine until..." It has to be the fault of something else, not possibly a kink in the genetic makeup. That would mean there had to be something wrong with them and they can't accept that. While adults may have the say as to what goes into their bodies, children do not. That decision is made by the parents. If they are ill, adults can decide whether or not to go the doctor. Children don't have that option. Withholding medical care for a sick child is child abuse. Denying vaccines for children when there is a known risk of developing polio, measles, etc. is nothing more than child abuse masked as "rights". We would take kids away from people who refuse to give medical care. We should do the same for those who refuse to vaccinate. They not only put their kids at risk, but all of us.

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amdachel 03/07/11 - 02:04 pm
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Thank you to the Augusta

Thank you to the Augusta Chronicle and to Marine Meleck for this excellent commentary. Too often we forget to ask, "Who funded the study?" when we're told that all the science shows no link between the ever-expanding vaccination schedule and the epidemic of autism, now affecting one percent of children and almost two percent of boys. If anyone bothered to look, they'd discover that every study used by health officials to disprove a link is tied to the vaccine makers.

The reason this is never going away is because there are just too many parents out there now who are telling everyone about how they took perfectly healthy children to the doctor for routine vaccinations and those children suddenly changed. They developed things like seizures, bowel problems, and sleep disorders. They stopped talking and lost learned skills. Many were eventually diagnosed with autism. Experts have no explanation for why this happens. They call it a coincidence when tens of thousands of parents have the same story of regression. The only thing they're sure of is that their vaccine schedule isn't at fault.

The only way this issue will be resolved is with a simple study comparing the health of fully-vaccinated children with never-vaccinated kids. If both groups have the same problems, including an epidemic number of children with autism, the proof will be there for all to see. No officials wants to see this study done, despite requests from the autism community for years. We seriously need to ask why not.

Anne Dachel
Media editor: Age of Autism

corgimom
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corgimom 03/07/11 - 02:37 pm
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"The parents know and those

"The parents know and those with common sense know there is a relationship between vaccines and autism."

As a mother of an autistic child, I find that remark extremely offensive. I knew by the time my child was 3 weeks old that something was seriously wrong, and he had not received one vaccine. He later received all of his vaccines, and did not regress.

If you read Jenny McCarthy's book, she talks about how her son flapped and she thought it was cute- until she found out he had autism.

Autism is present at birth, and there is increasing evidence it has to do with chromosomes. I believe it is a recessive gene, and that's why it's common among boys- like balding.

Infants aren't diagnosed with autism because all infants do is eat and sleep and cry. The key factor in autism is language delay- which parents and doctors don't worry about until about 18 months anyway.

The parents who blame vaccines are the ones desperate to blame somebody or something for their child's autism. Autism JUST IS, just as any body disorder JUST IS.

I think eventually there will be an amniocentesis test for it.

Common sense will tell you this- how is it that non-vaccinated children in Third World countries have autism? How is it that adults don't develop autism but children do? Why? Because it's present at birth.

I could say something like "I started feeding my baby son Gerber oatmeal and then I noticed XXXX and YYYY" but that doesn't mean that Gerber oatmeal caused it.

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corgimom 03/07/11 - 02:41 pm
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Smallpox hasn't been

Smallpox hasn't been eradicated by any means. It's no longer present in the US, but it's still around.

Go look at people from Thrid World countries and tell me that smallpox has been eradicated.

My grandmother had smallpox. Diseases do not "come and go".

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wbbh 03/07/11 - 03:16 pm
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Get your children vaccinated

Get your children vaccinated doing anything less is just stupid. I can only imagine the anti vaccination folks want to see children killed by measles, mumps, hepatitis, flu, or crippled by polio and older folks killed off by the pneumonia and the flu. What next, bleeding people to vent evil vapors? I'd add human sacrifice, but that is exactly what avoiding vaccinations will accomplish.

wbbh
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wbbh 03/07/11 - 03:25 pm
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he Autism Vaccine Hoax A

he Autism Vaccine Hoax

A tragic scare campaign is exposed as 'fraud.

Twelve years late, the media and medical community may finally be digging a grave for one of the more damaging medical scares in history. We're speaking of the vaccines-cause-autism panic, the burial of which cannot come too soon.

The British Medical Journal this week published an article and editorial explaining that the 1998 study that provoked the vaccine scare was an "elaborate fraud." That study, published in the (once) respected journal "The Lancet," was by British doctor Andrew Wakefield and other researchers, who claimed that the widely used measles, mumps and rubella vaccine was linked to autism. Around the same time, U.S. parents and opportunistic lawyers latched on to a related theory that vaccination shots containing a mercury compound called thimerosal caused autism.

Despite broad evidence even in the 1990s that these claims were unfounded, the medical community was slow to push back. Nervous public-health groups inspired a panic by rushing to get thimerosal out of vaccines. The Lancet stuck by its article, the media sensationalized the story, and Congress joined the cause celebre. Maine Senators Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins went so far as to kill a vaccine liability provision so that parents could bring thimerosal suits. Indiana Republican Dan Burton was especially irresponsible in raising public fears.

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msitua 03/07/11 - 03:50 pm
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THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A GENETIC EPIDEMIC. pLEASE GO BACK TO YOUR SCHOOL BOOKS AND READ.

gtg894g
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gtg894g 03/07/11 - 03:56 pm
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Diseases are nature's way of

Diseases are nature's way of filtering out the weak. Why vacinate and promote a weak gene pool? In the short term it seems like a good thing for YOUR child but in the long term it puts ALL of us in a worst position.

And the idea of forcing this decision on someone is simply Facsist. It is a personal decision. There are other decisions that are far more hazardous to our healthcare system then vacines or no vacines. Take the epic levels of adipose adults and children we have walking (more like sitting) around. I would rather have a nation of unvaccinated-fit people than a nation of vaccinated people at our current weights. You are better off taking the money you spent on that vaccine and buying healthier food and a gym membership.

PS: I was not vaccinated and I am proud of it.

terminusmundi
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terminusmundi 03/07/11 - 03:54 pm
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Ms. Dachel, I find it very

Ms. Dachel, I find it very curious (and downright strange) that you are exalting the nonexistent link between vaccines and autism, yet you ignore a link that is far more likely with far more evidence to support it: television. The rate of diagnosis of autism has increased FIFTEEN TIMES since the introduction of cable television and the VCR, and one of the most prevalent symptoms of autism is a lack of spatial recognition skills. Fund THAT study. Put your money where your mouth is, or stop wasting our time and our children's time.

gtg894g
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gtg894g 03/07/11 - 04:22 pm
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The fact is that our own

The fact is that our own government agentcies (EPA vs CDC) can not agree on acceptable levels of mercury intake. If you follow the EPA limit you would never give yourself or your child any vaccine containing thimerosal.

It is just common sense; it is a HEAVY METAL, it WILL collect in the your brain; even more so for children than for adults. Ever heard of Mad Hatter's Disease? (you should probably take a vaccine for that one also :-) ) there is a reason we no longer make hats waterproof via a coat of mercury. The mercury caused people to go crazy. But no it doesnt effect your children, trust me.... :'(

Also, the fact that Wakefield lied on his study doesn't devaliated anything. I have not heard a anti-vaccine person cite his work. In fact, I only hear pro-vaccine people citing it. Sounds like a strawman fallacy!!

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wbbh 03/07/11 - 05:50 pm
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gtg894g, there was a study of

gtg894g, there was a study of the mercury levels in Autistic kids, it was generally LOWER than non Autistic kids. The mercury argument has been repeatedly proven false.

wbbh
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wbbh 03/07/11 - 06:00 pm
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For the anti-vaccine people,

For the anti-vaccine people, those that believe vaccinations are some government/drug company master plan with sinister intent. Next time you are in pain or have an infection, remember to refuse any and all medications, especially antibiotics since they come from the same sources.

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soldout 03/07/11 - 06:11 pm
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Time will tell the truth on

Time will tell the truth on all this. I am more interested in helping folks than winning an argument by telling them what is out there and they can check or reject as they choose. I see simple things fixing people everyday. One great example is "oil pulling". I see people that have had pains for years have those go away in a few days and not return doing oil pulling. That is just one example of the great alternative approaches that are out there that are simple and almost free. I know a lady who had such bad vision she couldn't hardly find the eye chart much less read it. She had a good doctor giving her all kinds of vitamins but she absorbed none of them. NAET fixed that vitamin problem in 15 minutes and now she sees the chart and can drive again. I know a man who had fear in his financial business and saw that fixed in two minutes using EFT. There is a lot of exciting stuff going on out there if you are willing to look.

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