Editorial exposes paper's hypocrisy

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On Jan. 22, The Augusta Chronicle ran an editorial titled "Now playing in selected sewers." The editorial decried the adverse influence on behavior of trashy shows and movies. The editorial is right. These things can influence people toward the evil behaviors depicted and glorified.

However, after the horrific shootings in Tucson, Ariz., two weeks ago, the editorial pages of The Chronicle bent over backward to deny a connection between vitriolic and violent political speech and images and the actions of the deranged shooter.

You can't have it both ways. You can't claim violent speech and images of a kind whose intent you support cannot have any adverse influence on behavior, then turn around and claim violent or pornographic speech and images whose intent you oppose do adversely influence behavior.

Words and images matter. They do influence behavior. The whole multibillion-dollar advertising industry is built on the knowledge of that fact. So are the newspaper and magazine industries. So are the broadcast media. To deny this is to deny human nature.

For a newspaper to deny it -- as The Chronicle did regarding violent political speech and images after the Tucson shootings -- is hypocrisy.

Bill Collins

Aiken, S.C.

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soldout
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soldout 01/24/11 - 11:45 pm
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I don't see the hypocrisy.

I don't see the hypocrisy. Conservative talk radio doesn't promote death or violence. The trash on TV trys to make trash look normal and promote sin at every turn. The Bible says to guard what you hear and what your eyes see. You need knowledge to sin and TV is very educatonal in teaching that knowledge. The commericals even train you to think you have the latest sickness that have been made up to promote some drug. The less media you see or hear the better you tend to feel about yourself and others and you increase your ability to communicate with others.

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JM88 01/25/11 - 12:17 am
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The writer sort of has a

The writer sort of has a point, but not really. Of course what you see and hear has an affect. Otherwise there would be no such thing as commercials. However, the "violent political speech" that he talks about has as much to do with the shooting as the price of tea in China. He draws a connection that simply isn't there.

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Dixieman 01/25/11 - 05:19 am
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The writer of this letter

The writer of this letter confuses the point of the first editorial -- that certain things cheapen and vulgarize our society - and the second -- that there is a cause and effect relationship between political discourse and violence.

carcraft
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carcraft 01/25/11 - 06:14 am
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The writer lacks

The writer lacks understanding of elemental logic. Loughner is insane. Loughner didn't listen to political talk. There fore it is impossible for what Loughner didn't hear to influance him. Children do watch and mimic behavior they see among people they consider cool. That is why there is a national belt shortage and pants falling off peoples butts! Teaching children to mimic sexually provacative TV shows is the gasoline on the fire..

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Haki 01/25/11 - 06:57 am
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The writer is spot on. Most

The writer is spot on. Most of us who post seem here go to far with our "opinion." We all have a duty to our society.

southernguy08
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southernguy08 01/25/11 - 07:35 am
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Years ago, Mel Gibson, in a
Unpublished

Years ago, Mel Gibson, in a drunken state, made a stupid comment about Jews. Later, he apologized. Instead of accepting his apology, comedian Joan Rivers said, "He should #$%@^&* die!" Is this inciting violence? No, this was a stupid comment made on both sides. Bill, you cannot connect the dots between this shooting and conservatives. Get over it!

dani
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dani 01/25/11 - 07:47 am
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I don't see anyone mentioning

I don't see anyone mentioning the killing of our law enforcement officers,
ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. (AP) - When two law officers were shot down Monday helping to serve a warrant on Florida's Gulf Coast, it stunned a state already mourning police deaths in Miami and added to a grim tally for the nation: 11 officers shot in five states in a 24-hour period, two of them fatally.

For the month, the toll on police came to 14 fatalities, according to the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund.

Hate speech you think?

justthefacts
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justthefacts 01/25/11 - 08:10 am
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Apparently Mr. Collins wrote

Apparently Mr. Collins wrote this before a lot of the info we now know about Loughner was discovered.

fd1962
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fd1962 01/25/11 - 09:03 am
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The premise of Collin's LTE
Unpublished

The premise of Collin's LTE logic is hardly obscure. As recent as yesterday, ACES were crying about a vengeful 'chokehold' on conservative expression while in the next paragraph gloating that conservative speech is the 'more ubiquitous.' Which? Either that is propaganda, or else it's hypocrisy. Take your pick.

Chillen
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Chillen 01/25/11 - 10:06 am
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Teen shows promote & glorify

Teen shows promote & glorify promiscuity, drug use, disrespect of elders, drinking, pregnancy, rude & hateful behavior towards each other, materialism & the like. The exact opposite of what we want our children to do & be.

I've listened to Boortz, Beck, Limbaugh & watched Fox News for years. NEVER, EVER have I heard them say that someone should be shot or hurt based on their political actions. They say to question it, to call your Congressman or Senator, or whatever but they do not incide riots or violence.

Contrast that with liberal-socialist-communist, Francis Fox Piven who is openly calling for Greece-type violent riots - now THERE'S someone who should be looked at by the FBI. In a real hurry.

Big, big, big difference but there's the facts. They just seem to get in the way every single time, don't they Mr. Collins & liberal pals?

justthefacts
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justthefacts 01/25/11 - 10:25 am
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Yesterday's comments

Yesterday's comments regarding "chokehold' on conservative expression" referred to the possibility of that happening. Hardly hypocritical.

soldout
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soldout 01/25/11 - 11:51 am
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"the Bible says life and

"the Bible says life and death are in the power of the tongue". We need to speak life to the good things and death to sin in our own lives, families and the nation.

fd1962
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fd1962 01/25/11 - 12:01 pm
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Justthefacts, "Chokeholds on
Unpublished

Justthefacts, "Chokeholds on Conservatives" is hardly a subjunctive statement for the Chronicle to have utilized, in spite of your partisan annotation. It's a declaration, meant to incite the righteous, as usual. Even the ACES don't confuse hypothetical with hypocritical, thank you.

burninater
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burninater 01/25/11 - 12:43 pm
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Preaching virtue while

Preaching virtue while practicing vice, the national pastime of those who would seek to define a reality that brooks no dissent. If anyone wonders why respect for authority and the church is at record low levels in today's youth, look no further than this habit of speaking out of both sides of the mouth and then acting shocked when called out on it. Nothing causes loss of respect like the one-two punch of hypocrisy and the belief that one's audience is too stupid to note it.

justthefacts
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justthefacts 01/25/11 - 01:05 pm
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Partisan? Ha. OK. Anyway, the

Partisan? Ha. OK. Anyway, the fact that the ACES fears the Fairness Doctrine while noting that the right has a far larger share of talk radio is not hypocrisy on their part.

dichotomy
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dichotomy 01/25/11 - 01:26 pm
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Apparently Mr. Collins is

Apparently Mr. Collins is someone who doesn't let the facts get in the way of what he believes.

fd1962
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fd1962 01/25/11 - 02:02 pm
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A 'fear' of a (hypothetical)
Unpublished

A 'fear' of a (hypothetical) reinstatement of a Fairness Doctrine doesn't translate to an existing chokehold on conservative speech, as the editorial's title intended to so prejudicially describe. It IS hypocrisy when the ACES attempt to convince readers that a body of rhetoric allegedly being strangled by a 'chokehold' is, nevertheless, still 'more ubiquitous.' Makes no sense.

Professor Chaos
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Professor Chaos 01/25/11 - 02:31 pm
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Democrats shouldn't point a

Democrats shouldn't point a decisive finger at all Republicans/Tea-partiers/libertarians but Republicans/Tea-partiers/libertarians shouldn't play dumb when it comes to the facts.

Conservative media uses violent language all the time. It's v...ery simple cause and effect.

"Don't retreat, reload!"
- Sarah Palin, former Governor of Alaska

"If this Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies."
- Sharron Angle, former member of the Nevada State Assembly

"If ballots don't work, bullets will."
- Joyce Kaufman, Radio host, Tea Party activist

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
- Currently serving United States Congresswoman from Minnesota, leader of the Tea Party Caucus, paraphrasing Thomas Jefferson

"Sarah Palin has the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district and when people do that, they've gotta realize there are consequences to that action."
- Currently serving Congresswoman from Arizona Gabrielle Giffords

I love how some of you ignore the conservative hate and act as if it's only a "democrat" or "liberal" thing! Puh-lease!

stairway2nowhere
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stairway2nowhere 01/25/11 - 02:55 pm
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lol i would be down for a

lol i would be down for a hate speech law the first thing that will get banned is rap music i can live with that

TheFederalist
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TheFederalist 01/25/11 - 03:04 pm
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Sorry professor, but your

Sorry professor, but your liberal bilge is less than obtuse and I can give you far more than tit for tat for every quote you so laboriously list, including the recent comparison on the floor of congress by another Democrat that likened The GOP and TEA party to the Nazi's. 

Your argument collapses under it's own weight. The ACES were only pointing out that glorifying and promoting base behavior on TV and print does indeed lead to more of the same, as many studies will attest. Trying to link this to somehow support the charge that heated debate leads to actions like the Tuscon tragedy is beneath contempt and you, like the reactionary bloggers and liberals that eagerly put forth this bogus bilge in the early hours, before much was known, should all be ashamed of yourselves.

Boogaloo
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Boogaloo 01/25/11 - 03:16 pm
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What I would really be

What I would really be ashamed of is typing a post with so many cliche's in it.

usapatriot
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usapatriot 01/25/11 - 04:14 pm
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Liberals, the string pullers

Liberals, the string pullers on a national level, have a way of disguising their true intentions. To them, this isn't about Loughner or the he said/she said examples.

It's about attacking free speech. It's a way for them to get the Fairness Doctrine back in the spotlight. Any little wedge of free speech repression they can get.

Remember last State of the Union when Obama tried to embarass tthe Supreme Court justices? He was upset about the court ruling that free speech extended to corps and that corps could get involved in elections.

Just because a group of people form a corp does not mean they lose free speech. No more than Obama's lap dog unions lose their's. Corps can participate in elections just as unions can. Obama wanted it his way.

When you can't counter the opposition with common sense and you won't change a losing ideology, all you can do is try to silence the opposition.

The AZ shootings are being used on the left as a vehicle to further the attacks on the 1st and 2d Amendments.

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Chillen 01/25/11 - 04:19 pm
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As soon as I saw the screen

As soon as I saw the screen name "professor" I glazed over. 95% of professors are extremely liberal. Living in their tenured bubble with guaranteed benefits & pensions for life. They are living in a world no where close to reality.

Join the REAL world professor & then talk to us.

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burninater 01/25/11 - 05:01 pm
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Chillen, 95% are extremely

Chillen, 95% are extremely liberal? Interesting. I'd love to see something to back that up, besides "everyone KNOWS it's true". Simply discrediting an academic for being in academia was a tactic of some not very libertarian, vastly sprawling countries in the East with decidedly red flags ... it's not a tactic that will likely foster the environment of mutual respect we'll need in order to make libertarianism a viable possibility. And as to that last point, reality is not how you idealize it to be. Reality is that which exists around you. Professors are, believe it or not, real. The world they live in is also, equally, real. I hope this isn't the start of an outbreak of tenure envy, I've heard the itchy rash that goes with it is especially maddening ...

Besides, tenure was an innovation of private universities, working within a free market ... I can't imagine that you, with your strong libertarian position, would want to deny the institutions the right to run their business however they would please, would you?

dani
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dani 01/25/11 - 05:18 pm
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AWW. There is more than

AWW. There is more than enough from either side but these people are exceptions. They don't speak for most Conservatives and I would bet, not for most Liberals.

IE:
Jan 20, 2011"
Democratic Rep. Steve Cohen is attempting to do some damage control after likening Republican rhetoric to Nazi propaganda...."

And on we go.

burninater
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burninater 01/25/11 - 05:31 pm
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But dani, that's exactly the

But dani, that's exactly the point. Some people continue to make the claim that such language is one-sided. Some people make the claim, as shown in that video, to the extent that they must either A) be deliberately, flat-out, lying to their audience, or B) have a legitimate mental illness that makes them unaware of the reality of what occurs around them on a near-daily basis. I really, really, really don't care what your political philosophy is, as long as you are as honest as you can be in expressing it. This pervasive two-facedness is absolutely mind-boggling, and I cannot fathom what goes on in the minds of those in the audience that continue to defend it.

And I agree with you, if these were the minority bad apples representing any part of the political spectrum, who cares? But these aren't the fringes. These are individuals that make up a dominant market share of newsmedia in America.

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kmb413 01/25/11 - 05:43 pm
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This is for User420....I

This is for User420....I meant Professor Chaos (but is was a copy of the post made Wed Jan 12th at 12:16pm) So I copied my response as well.

“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.” Barack Obama in July 2008
“I want you to argue with them and get in their face!” Barack Obama, September 2008
“Here’s the problem: It’s almost like they’ve got — they’ve got a bomb strapped to them and they’ve got their hand on the trigger. You don’t want them to blow up. But you’ve got to kind of talk them, ease that finger off the trigger.” Barack Obama on banks, March 2009
“I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!” Barack Obama on ACORN Mobs, March 2010
“We talk to these folks… so I know whose [filtered word] to kick.” Barack Obama on the private sector, June 2010
“A Republican majority in Congress would mean ‘hand-to-hand combat’ on Capitol Hill for the next two years, threatening policies Democrats have enacted to stabilize the economy.” Barack Obama, October 6, 2010
“We’re gonna punish our enemies and we’re gonna reward our friends who stand with us on issues that are important to us.” Barack Obama to Latinos, October 2010

To Retired Army - "Those on this board who continue to support ANY talking head who has in the past or continues to espouse violence as a political solutuon may well want to rethink what patriotism, as we know it America, truly is all about."

Seems that everyone needs to be thinking about it.

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follower 01/25/11 - 06:17 pm
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Burninator 11:43am. Sadly,

Burninator 11:43am. Sadly, you are right. Neither liberal nor conservative has cornered the market on hypocrisy.

More sobering is that the church is filled with the same. Mind you that the church in it's purest intent and purpose is not the problem, but those that fill the pews. However, even in the parable of the Prodigal Son, so many miss the point that Jesus' rebuke was to the Pharisee's that were listening. He had no use for the self righteous leaders and pretenders. The elder son was the reflection he referred to as them. And they were none to happy with it, making them more determined to get rid of him.

We need always to check the mirror objectively.

burninater
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burninater 01/25/11 - 07:18 pm
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"Mind you that the church in

"Mind you that the church in it's purest intent and purpose is not the problem, but those that fill the pews."
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This sums up the culture war better than anything I have heard before. To me, those that fill the pews are the whole point. They are not the problem. Rather, an ideology that is inflexible in the face of the reality of human nature is the problem. This inflexibility necessitates the hypocrisy, as it is impossible for an individual to practice what they preach when what they preach is impracticable. And this inflexibility necessitates division, when one group or another demands that only those who adhere to strict ideological tests are admissable.

The growing lack of concern for privacy in social media within the younger generations gives me hope for the future: it's a lot harder to pretend to uphold an impossible ideology, and point condemning fingers at others, when the world is a glass house. If we are seeing the death throes of divide and conquer through hypocrisy, I would be a happy man indeed.

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chascush 01/25/11 - 07:33 pm
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‘Retired Army, ‘One wonders

‘Retired Army, ‘One wonders why chillen leaves out any mention of Glen Beck in his defense of conservative hate.’
You don’t know what you are talking about. Beck never advocates hate or violence. He disagrees and exposes the lies by the left so they hate him. I know you do not watch Beck or you would not make such an uninformed statement.

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