Undersupported military, undeclared wars

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Congress last declared war on Dec 7, 1941. World War II was won in less than four years.

Since then, our government has sent our military to fight in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. More than 100,000 American military have been killed in these undeclared wars that our government wouldn't allow our military to win.

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BobG
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BobG 12/01/10 - 01:31 am
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Because congress thinks it

Because congress thinks it has found a loophole in the War Powers Act that allows them to shirk their duty to declare war. And I'm thinking they are correct.

gaspringwater
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gaspringwater 12/01/10 - 04:56 am
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Our problem would be less if

Our problem would be less if we had about three-quarters less military people. Other people in the world would be safer from invasions too. It wouldn't be easy to count up all the foreign countries the US has invaded in 200 years. There may be three dozen! And they were so blessed to be invaded by America.

Mad Hatter
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Mad Hatter 12/01/10 - 05:36 am
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Yeah...the women who were

Yeah...the women who were victims of Saddam's rape squads would be safer, right GASP? The Kurds who were getting killed with poison gas would be safer, right? The USAF pilots who were getting shot at on a daily basis as they peacefully patrolled the UN imposed no fly zone would be safer, right?

orgpsych
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orgpsych 12/01/10 - 07:08 am
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Hatter, why stop there?

Hatter, why stop there? After all, there is the crisis in Darfur, famine in Somali, and so many other bad things going on in the world. We should go invade those places, too, I guess.

As much as I think Saddam was a bad man, there are two other things I know that balance his abuses. The first is that his recklessness kept Iran in check. Not any more.

The second is that we were attacked by Al Queda who was supported by the Taliban. We went into Afghanistan to fix that then took our eye off the ball and went into Iraq, as well. We should have finished the job in Afghanistan first. Now our enemies are strong again and we are losing too many American lives trying to get a handle on what should already be finished.

When all is said and done, what will we have accomplished? Spreading good? Then why not go do something in those other places, too?

Maybe it's time to pay attention to ourselves and take care of our domestic problems before we launch into another pointless crusade wasting American lives and resources. Speaking of making hard choices, there's one.

Runner46
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Runner46 12/01/10 - 07:25 am
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These are not wars, according

These are not wars, according to our politicians. A war we cannot win is called a "police action" in politispeak. If the country is having financial problems, start a war or police action with some other country to fix it. "Undersupported military, undeclared wars"

Sandpiper
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Sandpiper 12/01/10 - 08:16 am
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This letter seems to assume

This letter seems to assume that the 9-11 attack didn't happen. How soon some forget.

usafvet
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usafvet 12/01/10 - 09:31 am
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gaspringwater, If it were not

gaspringwater, If it were not for those military men and women, past and present, protecting the rights of this Great Country, you would not be able to voice your ludicrous, idiotic feelings. What you are saying is Anti American. If you love those other countries so well, go enjoy their freedoms.

dani
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dani 12/01/10 - 10:13 am
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Isn't it unbelievable that so

Isn't it unbelievable that so many want to leave us exposed and unprotected.

It might be okay to turn swords into plowshares but not at the cost of self-defense.

What has happened to the Americanization of our citizens...I know Obama believes in the global world ahead of our nation but how did so many Americans turn in that direction.

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Chillen 12/01/10 - 11:13 am
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If we don't fight to win then

If we don't fight to win then we ought not to fight at all. Our military can do the job....if the pansys let them. But no, we tip toe around the countryside and heaven forbid there should be one single civilian casualty...the horror! A few good, well-placed nukes would stop these folks in their tracks. Get on with it or get out!

As it is, we are wasting precious money and lives. Time to get out of the middle east and close down many of our bases around the world. We need to divert the resources back home - in the form of reduced taxes (for those of us actually still paying taxes).

ameliaf
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ameliaf 12/01/10 - 01:42 pm
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Iran and North Korea are real

Iran and North Korea are real threats to world peace.

We have done all we can in Iraq - where we never should have gone - and in Afghanistan. Obama is winding down both those wars. We need to get out of both places and concentrate on rebuilding relationships that we can work with to keep Iran and North Korea in check.

dani
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dani 12/01/10 - 02:24 pm
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12:42 "Obama is winding down

12:42 "Obama is winding down both those wars".
Only Iraq and it was winding down when Bush left office.
From news sources Afghanistan is no where near shutting down.
In the 1990's and 2000's Afghanistan and Iraq were the danger spots.
Now it's 2010 and who knows? The world is constantly changing.

gaspringwater
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gaspringwater 12/01/10 - 03:08 pm
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usafvet - Those military men

usafvet - Those military men and women you're talking about are government employees making a paycheck. In our whole history, there's has never been a credible threat to our way of life from any foreign country. We've been in a number of foreign conflicts and we've did our part to get the fights going, above the table and under the table too. Claiming the military has done a lot for the country is politically correct but otherwise baseless! Police officers and school teachers have been more valuable.

Mad Hatter
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Mad Hatter 12/01/10 - 06:26 pm
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"In our whole history,

"In our whole history, there's has never been a credible threat to our way of life from any foreign country. " That has got to be the most ignorant statement I have every seen anyone post on this sight!

BobG
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BobG 12/01/10 - 07:01 pm
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"usafvet - Those military men

"usafvet - Those military men and women you're talking about are government employees making a paycheck."
....So according to GASPRINGWATER, our American military are nothing less than well paid mercenaries, living only for the opportunity to go out and kill innocent civilians.

"In our whole history, there's has never been a credible threat to our way of life from any foreign country."
.....You heard it from the great one himself folks. Pearl Harbor was no threat, 9-11 was no threat and neither were any other actions supported by ignorant American citizens, like you and me over the years.

.....Assuming for a minute that you or I or any other American with more than two brain cells to put together, agrees to rationalize that we have never been threatened, is it just possible that it might be because of those awful, nasty, vile and despicable military men and women?
.....If so, maybe we might want to hold off on charging and trying each and every one of them for war crimes.

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Sargebaby 12/01/10 - 11:38 pm
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Gaspringwater's vision is

Gaspringwater's vision is clouded with contempt, jealousy, and a complete lack of knowledge about how our country is made safe. She reeks of liberalism in its purest form. Imagine, if the majority of Americans felt the way she feels! I would move to Canada!

gaspringwater
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gaspringwater 12/02/10 - 12:48 am
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Would you be comfortable in

Would you be comfortable in Canada? They’re certainly more liberal and Canadians are less militaristic than Americans. You even have to register firearms up there. Wing-nut Americans couldn't sleep knowing their beloved firearms were registered and the government would knew where to come and confiscate them.

More than 50,000 Americans old enough for military service came to Canada to avoid the draft and the Vietnam War, says John Hagan, a Northwestern University sociology and law professor who was among them and wrote a 2001 book, Northern Passages, about the exodus. About half remain in Canada today, he says, despite President Carter's 1977 amnesty offer, which applied to draft dodgers but not deserters.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2010-05-23-war-resisters_N.htm

Mad Hatter
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Mad Hatter 12/02/10 - 05:41 am
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GASP... Canadians are more

GASP... Canadians are more liberal than most American's, but not more liberal than YOU. If you actually read and understood what Sarge wrote you would see that he said he would move to Canada if most Americans were as liberal as YOU. At least Canada realizes that you have to defend your country from aggressors!

usafvet
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usafvet 12/02/10 - 10:00 am
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A person living in America

A person living in America that does not support the American Military does not deserve to live in America. We who love this country and do support our military should not involve ourselves in social intercourse with those non deserving individuals.

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ozarkalien 12/02/10 - 10:01 am
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Mad Hatter, I wonder where

Mad Hatter, I wonder where they got the gas to poison the Kurds? That's right the USA. America has given weapons and supported counties that end up going to war against us. I support our military I think more then most of you because I don't want to put our military into unnecessary wars. We should only use our military when we are attacked. We need to stop policing the world. I know most of you don't believe it and don't want to hear it but we went to war with Saddam because of oil. If you don't believe it then you are just blinded by the propaganda.

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justthefacts 12/02/10 - 10:33 am
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If the Iraq was was over oil,

If the Iraq was was over oil, why are we importing significantly less oil from Iraq and the Middle East today than we were before 9-11? Better stick to ole Bush was avenging his father theory.

usafvet
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usafvet 12/02/10 - 12:11 pm
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I have been watching

I have been watching interviews with the Honorable George W. Bush lately and it is so refreshing to see someone talk responsibly (without a teleprompter) and show such great love for this country and its military men and women. There is so much that he could reveal but will not about the lies and cover ups of the media and this administration. He maintains his silence to minimize the damage to America. He is a true southern gentleman and shares his life with the most graceful First lady that this country has ever had. He also shares a lot of his life with our troops and veterans. GOD BLESS AMERICA, OUR TROOPS, AND OUR VETERANS.

gaspringwater
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gaspringwater 12/02/10 - 01:59 pm
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usafvet - Are you the kind of

usafvet - Are you the kind of person who also believes someone who isn't a Christian doesn't deserve to live in America too. Are you aware some Christian religious groups don't support the military too? Even refuse to do the pledge of allegiance ritual and won't respect the flag either.

gaspringwater
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gaspringwater 12/02/10 - 02:15 pm
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Mad Hatter - Canada is

Mad Hatter - Canada is similar to the US in one respect. There's never been a serious foreign threat to the country, other than the US. But occasional they send a little military contingent somewhere to please the US but it's just grubby politics and the general public never supports military action abroad, other than on past occasions when they helped their mother country. And they probably wouldn't do that again. Average Canadians are smarter than average Americans.

Mad Hatter
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Mad Hatter 12/02/10 - 06:14 pm
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GASP...you really need to

GASP...you really need to stop posting that there's never been a serious foreign threat to the US. It is making you look dangerously foolish. Have you ever heard of WWII? Do you remember Sep 11, 2001? Familiar with the US revolution? I don't suppose you know anything about the Cuban Missile Crisis. I guess none of those were threats. Certainly nuclear Armageddon isn't a threat...........right?

Mad Hatter
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Mad Hatter 12/02/10 - 06:16 pm
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GASP.....got anything to back

GASP.....got anything to back up your "Average Canadians are smarter than average Americans" comment.....or did you pull it out of thin air like most of your unfounded statements?

Mad Hatter
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Mad Hatter 12/02/10 - 06:21 pm
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And ozarkalien...can YOU back

And ozarkalien...can YOU back up your statement that we gave Iraq the chemical weapons that were used on the Kurds?

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InChristLove 12/02/10 - 10:10 pm
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gaspringwater wrote "Are you

gaspringwater wrote "Are you aware some Christian religious groups don't support the military too? Even refuse to do the pledge of allegiance ritual and won't respect the flag either."

Can you supply the names of these Christian groups? I can't find anything other than speaking out against gays in the military and the don't ask, don't tell policy....but nothing against the military, refusing to say pledge of allegiance or disrespecting the flag.

gaspringwater
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gaspringwater 12/03/10 - 12:24 pm
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InChristLove - Jehovah

InChristLove - Jehovah Witnesses refuse to salute or pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America or other nations because they consider it consider it idolatry. They teach that the obligation imposed by law of God is superior to that of laws enacted by temporal government. Jehovah Witnesses don't participate in military service either. They have a long history of public abuse in America and in Germany during the Nazi era. Their children were expelled from school because of their failure to salute the American flag and they've endured long legal fights to be apolitical. In 1940, their case went to the Supreme Court which ruled that the flag salute could be made mandatory despite religious convictions. The ruling led to bigoted assaults on Jehovah Witnesses, and in 1943 the court reversed its ruling. Jehovah Witnesses refuse to give the Nazi salute and do military service. They were persecuted in Nazi Germany.

We've came a long way in a short time. Once the Supreme Court ruled the flag had to be revered, despite your convictions. But more recently they've ruled you can either revere or burn it, simply a personal choice.

gaspringwater
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gaspringwater 12/03/10 - 12:45 pm
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Mad Hatter- I've noticed you

Mad Hatter- I've noticed you ask questions but you don’t contribute anything. So obviously you can benefit for a little Googling research. Search Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), International Student Assessment (PISA) and discover Canada high on the achievement list while the US is much further down the list. Smartie kids in Canada.

Mad Hatter
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Mad Hatter 12/03/10 - 01:59 pm
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GASP....I ask questions that

GASP....I ask questions that I know you don't know the answer to, to reveal that you don't know what you are talking about. Your failure to logically answer them on any occasion, is quite telling.

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