Planned mosque is a post-9-11 insult

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No matter how you argue it, one fact remains: Well-intentioned, tolerant, caring people would not even consider building a $100 million obscene gesture, financed by only-God-knows-whom, anywhere near Ground Zero. But this very purposely and strategically placed mosque will be a 13-story middle finger aimed at every individual who died, every survivor who still grieves and every witness, regardless of their religion, who believes 9-11 was a cruel act of terrorism and a threat to every American citizen -- period.

And it's really sad that we have to be afraid to say this.

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chasboy
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chasboy 09/04/10 - 10:21 pm
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When will religions learn how

When will religions learn how to co-exist?

momster59
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momster59 09/04/10 - 11:05 pm
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chasboy - I have coexist

chasboy - I have coexist tattooed in religious symbols from around the world on my arm. I get excitement from the Hindus, Buddhists, and most Muslims I meet, but animosity from a great number of "christians". I don't understand how people claiming to belong to a religion of tolerance and love can be so intolerant and hateful.

orb
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orb 09/04/10 - 11:22 pm
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monster 59 Speaking of the

monster 59

Speaking of the Christian religion as tolerant shows your ignorance of what the Bible teaches. Jesus Christ said in John 14:6: " I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

That is not tolerance. Jesus Christ is the only way to God!

However, to state that Christainity is a religion of love is correct again referencing Scripture.

John 3:16 " For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

And again:

1 John 4:10 "Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins."

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maggiemae 09/05/10 - 03:13 am
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chasboy..religions do

chasboy..religions do coexist. Go to any church, Jewish Temple, et al and you will not be turned away. The doors are open to you, are you ready to enter?
And Momnster...The Christian church will not tattoo your arm. You are correct.

johnston.cliff
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johnston.cliff 09/05/10 - 04:26 am
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The Christians don't like my

The Christians don't like my tattoos so let's build a celebratory mosque at ground zero? Well, that reasoning is about as good as everyone elses for building in that location.
The only ones who really want the mosque there seem to be the gloaters and the NYC politicians who are looking forward to significant building fees. The vast majority of Muslim speaking out about the ground zero mosque feel that it's precipitating problems, unnecessarily.
70% of everyone polled in every state in this nation feel this mosque should be backed off several blocks, at least.

Once again, for the very dense defending this project on the grounds of "freedom of religion", this project is all about location ... for both sides ..., not religion.

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wbbh 09/05/10 - 05:33 am
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They were so dang busy hating

They were so dang busy hating Christians, they allowed the muslims to take over.

concernednative
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concernednative 09/05/10 - 06:11 pm
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That's just it johnston.cliff

That's just it johnston.cliff if they can't build it where they want you are taking away their freedom.

wbbh
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wbbh 09/05/10 - 05:36 am
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I agree with Lynn Gilmore and

I agree with Lynn Gilmore and we should have rebuilt the WTC buildings and made them ten stories taller.

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aladienfadel 09/05/10 - 06:28 am
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It is shameful that the

It is shameful that the Augusta Chronicle editor allow such opinion to be published. It did not add any factual evidence to his claims and he is just repeating what others have said. The only thing he added was an "obscene gesture" from his side. The community center that will be built out of sight and 2 blocks away from the World Trade Center location is serving community and God. It promotes all the ideals that all religions agree on. The first of these ideals is protecting and saving lives. The editor is well advised to read Quraan and find out what it says about killing innocent people and share it with his readers.

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Little Lamb 09/05/10 - 06:40 am
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aladienfadel wrote: It

aladienfadel wrote:

It promotes all the ideals that all religions agree on.

Why is it so hard for me to believe this? In the first place, there is absolutely nothing that all religions agree on. In the second place, Mr. Fadel presents no citations to back up his claim.

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Rhetor 09/05/10 - 06:43 am
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Wow, Orb! Have you never read

Wow, Orb! Have you never read the biblical book of Malachi? Or the Sermon on the Mount? Or the gospel story about the Syrophoenician woman? Or the parable of the good Samaritan? Or, for that matter, the gospel of Luke? Tolerance of different people and different ways of life is a basic part of Jesus' sacred message. And what do you do? You quote one Bible verse out of context, a verse that in context is one of the most beautiful in the scriptures of my religion, and use it to justify hate and evil?

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Rhetor 09/05/10 - 06:44 am
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Ah, LittleLamb, open your

Ah, LittleLamb, open your heart and mind to truth, and you might grow.

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 09/05/10 - 06:45 am
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Lynn Gilmore says the

Lynn Gilmore says the proposed Ground Zero mosque is being "financed by God-knows-whom." I can clear that up. The proposed Ground Zero mosque is being financed by everyone who drives a car (or pick-up).

Rhetor
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Rhetor 09/05/10 - 06:52 am
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Ah, Little Lamb, who is

Ah, Little Lamb, who is actually financing this particular mosque? You have no idea, of course, do you?

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aladienfadel 09/05/10 - 07:19 am
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I wanted the editor and the

I wanted the editor and the readers to get the true guidance of Islam from its original source, the Quraan using their own minds instead of repeating other people accusations.

Let me give a quote from Quraan

The Messenger (Muhammad) believes in what has been sent down to him from his Lord, and (so do) the believers. Each one believes in God, His Angels, His books, and His Messengers. They say, "We make no distinction between one another of His Messengers" - and they say, "We hear, and we obey. We seek Your Forgiveness, our Lord, and all of us will return to You."
(Chapter #2, Verse #285)

The word (Muhammad) between brackets means that it is implied but not in the text of the Quraan.

This verse indicates very clearly that Muslims believe in Moses, Jesus and all other messengers of God to humanity. We believe that Moses and Jesus received revelations from God to guide humanity. Islam is considered continuation of all previous revelations. Religions define two relations; relation with God and relations with our human beings. The ideals governing the human relations are the same. Even people who does not subscribe to any religion believe in basic human rights. The differences between religions are in the area of the nature of God and the messengers and how to communicate with God. We can not see God, we do not have any scientific evidence about how the creation started. Therefore people follow different beliefs following their hearts. As long as you believe in God and make an effort to learn his commands and engage yourself in the best beahavior and serve humanity, you are doing God's work. God is merciful and he will never waste a good deed from any body.

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Tigger_The_Tiger 09/05/10 - 07:54 am
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Concernednative, "That's just

Concernednative,

"That's just it johnston.cliff if they can't build it where they won't you are taking away their freedom."................ huh? What do you mean they can't build it where they won't? If they won't build it there, then how do you know they can't?

Besides. I guess you are OK with not letting the Greek Orthodox rebuild the church where it already WAS.

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KSL 09/05/10 - 08:05 am
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momster, do you display those

momster, do you display those tatoos to the children you teach?

KSL
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KSL 09/05/10 - 08:06 am
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I do like the "most Muslims"

I do like the "most Muslims" comment you made. Care to explain?

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KSL 09/05/10 - 08:20 am
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Please explain this. If the

Please explain this. If the translation is not correct, it should be reported as this is circulating

http://www.tangle.com/view_video?viewkey=0861ff3eabea1ceb73e4

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maggiemae 09/05/10 - 09:26 am
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" Muslims believe in Moses,

" Muslims believe in Moses, Jesus and all other messengers of God to humanity". Fadel.. Jesus was the Son of God and is not be grouped with anyone else, even Moses.
Muslims see Him as a one of many messengers.

SEE how our religions differ.

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TheFederalist 09/05/10 - 10:34 am
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Kudos Lynn! Well said! Yes,

Kudos Lynn! Well said!

Yes, if you oppose the mosque, then by the very PC definition of liberal hate-speak, you are now branded a bigot.

However, when you oppose anything and everything Christian, anywhere, anytime and anyplace, then you are just standing up for the separation of Church and State, right?

We get...no, really we do! Honest!

ISLAM = Good! CHRISTIANITY = Bad!

(TheFed rolls his eyes and chuckles)

TheFederalist
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TheFederalist 09/05/10 - 11:20 am
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More anti-Christian

More anti-Christian bias....kinda like blaming it all on Bush!

Anyone opposing the mosque at ground zero is a bigot...yeah...more of the same droning and spewing, yadda, yadda, yadda....ad nauseaum

However, it would be nice to spare us from any more tiresome inaccurate and futile comparisons to David Koresh, or Dr. Tiller, as a means of labeling and denigrating Christianity....please, as it is patently untrue and disingenuous.

I think we need to make a new sign and post it here, with a "Strawman" in the middle, and a red circle with a line through it on top.
Strawman arguments verboten!

Liberal enthusiasm in creating ridiculous analogies, in a lame attempt to disparage anyone who disagrees, is also beneath contempt, but I guess some posters here actually enjoy wallowing in that filth anyway.

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gaspringwater 09/05/10 - 11:36 am
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The writer demands everybody

The writer demands everybody and especially Muslims be well manned and low profile at the 9-11 wake. But how long is the wake going too last.?

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TheFederalist 09/05/10 - 11:43 am
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Until the pain of the

Until the pain of the survivors of 9/11 fades from our collective memory.

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gaspringwater 09/05/10 - 11:46 am
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I doubt young people can even

I doubt young people can even recall it now! They have a way of not paying attention to political agendas.

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chascush 09/05/10 - 12:24 pm
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gaspringwater, ‘The writer

gaspringwater, ‘The writer demands everybody and especially Muslims be well manned and low profile at the 9-11 wake. But how long is the wake going too last.? ‘
How long is the wake for slavery going to last? White people today are still being blamed for what happen almost 150 years ago.

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gaspringwater 09/05/10 - 12:35 pm
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chascush - Does that stop

chascush - Does that stop white people from building their churches wherever they please in this country and abroad too? And they're guilty of killing a lot of people around the world!

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afadel 09/05/10 - 12:51 pm
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The only good thing to come

The only good thing to come out of this Park51 discussion is Comedy Central's increasingly hilarious roasting of all the delusional claims many of the Park51 opponents make. Here is the Community Center of Death segment. Watch Asif Mandvi's interview with an opponent of a mosque in Tennessee.

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chascush 09/05/10 - 12:52 pm
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gaspringwater, ‘And they're

gaspringwater, ‘And they're guilty of killing a lot of people around the world!’
I’m so glad that black people and Muslims are not guilty of killing a lot of people around the world.
By the way you didn’t answer my question. How long is the wake for slavery going to last?

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