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The Aug. 24 column by Star Parker ("King, religion and freedom") was a masterstroke. It should be read by everyone.

Her line -- "One day he will plead for the rights of women to abort their children, or for legitimization (of) all imaginable lifestyles, and the next day he'll plead for acceptance of a religion in which people are still stoned for this very same behavior" -- perfectly describes what is wrong with the present administration, and much of the country right now.

If you believe in nothing you will fall for anything.

Craig Hollingsworth

Sandersville

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GAterp
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GAterp 09/02/10 - 11:33 pm
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I don't believe in moaning

I don't believe in moaning but I believe in working for the good of the country and not being a do nothing obstructionist. Once the GOP gets into power (if the dumb electorate of this country buys into the populace rhetoric) then they will not be very good leaders because they simply have had no practice. When you don't practice by doing nothing, you cannot produce when you get the chance! Republicans talk a great game, but they can never produce when the chips are down! Let them in and watch them fail. It's a repetitive thing.

terminusmundi
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terminusmundi 09/03/10 - 01:58 am
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I guess this is the weekly

I guess this is the weekly "we didn't get any other good submissions, so we printed this 'QFT' letter" letter.

Also, GAterp, when I read your posts, I like to imagine that they are actually being said by a cute little puppy like in your profile picture. :3

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maggiemae 09/03/10 - 02:18 am
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"do nothing Republicans", "

"do nothing Republicans", " Republicans-the party of no".
Surely, after all these months you are tired of hearing yourself.

One talking head tonight on CNN said Miller (R) of Alaska wants to "privatize social security". This was immediately following Miller saying we have to put an end to social security in the future. He said "end it, absolutelY" , the Dem claims he said "privatize". Talking points have gotten them so confused they don't hear anything else.

terminusmundi
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terminusmundi 09/03/10 - 02:24 am
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"Godlessness. Let me say that

"Godlessness. Let me say that again... Godlessness. It wasn't the war they started. It wasn't the plague they created. It was Judgment. No one escapes their past. No one escapes Judgment. You think he's not up there? You think he's not watching over this country? How else can you explain it? He tested us, but we came through. We did what we had to do. Islington. Enfield. I was there, I saw it all. Immigrants, Muslims, homosexuals, terrorists. Disease-ridden degenerates. They had to go. Strength through unity. Unity through faith. I'm a God-fearing Englishman and I'm goddamn proud of it!"

- Lewis Prothero, V for Vendetta

carcraft
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carcraft 09/03/10 - 05:56 am
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GAterp-If you have a spoiled

GAterp-If you have a spoiled spendthrift child and refuse to allow him to spend you into poverty, that is no obstructionism!

johnston.cliff
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johnston.cliff 09/03/10 - 07:30 am
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Star Parker is a black woman

Star Parker is a black woman who sings the praises of kicking the subsidy habit she was taught from birth and becoming a contributing American citizen with honor and self-respect.

It's no wonder "progressives" dislike her so.

garner49
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garner49 09/03/10 - 08:51 am
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That 'ol double-standard.

That 'ol double-standard. So, what was the point of this one???

johnston.cliff
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johnston.cliff 09/03/10 - 08:54 am
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garner49, I think the LTE

garner49, I think the LTE writer is just bringing an excellent point to the attention of some who may have missed it. "Community edification", so to speak.

grouse
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grouse 09/03/10 - 09:03 am
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Hollingsworth: "believe" is

Hollingsworth: "believe" is the key word here. Most of us gave up "make believe" around the 3rd or 4th grade. I didn't read the column, but it sounds like you and the columnist need to live in the real world instead of making wild suppositions.

chascush
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chascush 09/03/10 - 09:40 am
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maggiemae, "do nothing

maggiemae, "do nothing Republicans", " Republicans-the party of no".
Surely, after all these months you are tired of hearing yourself.
The liberals have been brainwashed by the DUMocrats and many black leaders so long they can only keep repeating what they have been told. I do wish they would get tell them something new it does get boring after awhile.

johnston.cliff
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johnston.cliff 09/03/10 - 09:51 am
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grouse, the fact you claim

grouse, the fact you claim not to have gained information before responding says it all.

TheFederalist
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TheFederalist 09/03/10 - 09:53 am
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"I didn't read the

"I didn't read the column"

About says it all eh? Criticism of something that you have never read....
Typical liberal posting procedure. Sniff, assume, and then tear it apart, if it even has the slightest taint of the GOP, conservatism, Christianity, or an opinion supporting a belief aligned with the evil right.

Pathetic.

maggiemae
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maggiemae 09/03/10 - 11:18 am
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thank you chascush

thank you chascush

dichotomy
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dichotomy 09/03/10 - 11:37 am
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I used to love "do nothing"

I used to love "do nothing" politicians because that is the only time the taxpayer, and our constitutional rights, are safe. However this year it is imperative to set the stage for an eventual repeal of Obamacare and a reversal of any other policies Obama/Pelosi/Reid have shoved down our throats. If we elect them and they in fact "do nothing" maybe it is a catalyst for a real third party to have a chance in the future (Libertarian?). At the very worst they will at least stop the onslaught of anymore socialist legislation from Obama/Pelosi/Reid and slow the wasteful spending. At any rate, as of this moment I am kind of like Johnny Cash......I Hear That Train A Comin'....It's Comin' Round The Bend....I Think For Ole' Pelosi....It Is The End....................

ruudvonbaron
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ruudvonbaron 09/03/10 - 11:59 am
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The government shouldn't

The government shouldn't regulate what America's citizens can and can not do as long as they don't infringe upon the rights of others citizens. Just because someone's actions isn't consistent with the beliefs of organized religion is irrelevant and isn't grounds for continued regulation just because our government has been corrupted by the money of these religions over the many years.

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ameliaf 09/03/10 - 12:14 pm
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Oh, well. Another brain dead

Oh, well. Another brain dead letter writer who"believes" what he believes in but doesn't really understand concepts embodied in the Declaration of Independence, the Bill of Rights, and the rest of the Constitution.

Another one who thinks all those rights only apply to someone who thinks like him, looks like him, and prays like him. It is people like him who fought against emancipation of slaves, women voting, the ability of a white person to marry a black person, "separate but equal" schools which were never equal.

Every time someone is brave enough to take a step to break down the barriers we have erected out of prejudice, we have those who can't see beyond the hands they have covering their own eyes.

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So crates 09/03/10 - 12:35 pm
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I dispute the pithy logic of

I dispute the pithy logic of this writer. If you believe in nothing it stands to reason that you would not fall for anything.

dichotomy
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dichotomy 09/03/10 - 12:49 pm
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"Oh, well. Another brain dead

"Oh, well. Another brain dead letter writer who"believes" what he believes in but doesn't really understand concepts embodied in the Declaration of Independence, the Bill of Rights, and the rest of the Constitution."

You go on to infer that he is a racist when he said nothing that would lead to that conclusion.

However, I'll bet that based on the documents you cited he does understand that none of them suggest that he or I should have to pay for the upkeep and maintenance of someone else. I'll bet he does understand that all of those documents emphasize freedom and opportunity and NONE of those documents suggest socialism and dependency on the federal government. I'll bet that he does understand that all of those documents suggest that the federal government should be restricted to those specific functions literally itemized in the Constitution and should NOT be taking over our healthcare, education, dietary preferences, and everything else they can stick their fingers into having to do with our personal choices. I think you will see in November that a whole lot of people have a much better idea of what is embodied in those documents than you would have ever imagined.

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ameliaf 09/03/10 - 01:34 pm
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Oh, "taking over our dietary

Oh, "taking over our dietary preferences". Well, I dont' know if you are taking about food and drug administration, or what.

So, you think the government should not be involved in safe food? No inspection of meat packing plants? Maybe we should just do away with any sort of review process before a new drug is put on the market. Caveat emptor and all that.

I agree that the commerce department is probably just a shill for business so I would love to get rid of them. But, I think the Labor Department actually keeps workers safe - I know they are a pain and get awfully nitty, gritty in regulations, but how many more people would die on the job if we did not have some rules about, say, hazardous substances in the work place? Or, some mine safety rules? And, if we didn't have periodic inspections to be sure those safety rules were being observed. Lives really are saved.

We could get rid of social security and any safety net programs like widows and childrens benefits when a wage earner dies. No disability benefits. Let people just get by as best they can. Or buy insurance. We could get rid of all federal health care programs, Medicare, Medicaid, and (horrors or horrors) Obamacare.

(It is interesting to me that insurance was just about the least federal regulated business in the US in the last 50 years or so. Truly a state regulated market. And, availability of health care is just not there for millions of Americans, costs have risen far faster than wages, and we continue to fall behind other industrial/developed countries in such measures as infant mortality, longevity. You know, things we used to be so proud of that showed how superior the US system was to anyone else.)

And, no pension oversight. The government doesn't need to be in the middle of any of that - it should be either based on the savings of the individual or whatever is agreed upon between an employer and employee, individually. If an employer stiffs an employee on a retirement benefit, let the employee sue. That is what courts are for.

I guess the federal government should never have gotten in to building the interstate highway system under Eisenhower. I do want to get the feds out of education for anything but reporting on comparative statistics across states. Education should be primarily a state and local issue.

We do need the Interior Department to deal with lands that are still federal land. But, we could just stop having federal parks for people to visit.

What else can we get rid of?

johnston.cliff
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johnston.cliff 09/03/10 - 01:47 pm
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As the choreographed news

As the choreographed news media continues to abandon anything that resembles reality, so do their followers. I wonder if there's a connection?

burninater
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burninater 09/03/10 - 02:03 pm
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dichotomy -- "I'll bet that

dichotomy -- "I'll bet that he does understand that all of those documents suggest that the federal government should be restricted to those specific functions literally itemized in the Constitution ..."
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Well, dichotomy, this idea really resolves nothing, as the Constitution says the following:

The Congress shall have Power ... To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes [and] ... To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers ...

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Wiki defines "commerce" as "the exchange of goods and services from the point of production to the point of consumption to satisfy human wants."

So, the Constitution EXPLICITLY STATES that Congress has the power to create any laws necessary in the process of regulating anything that occurs in America that involves the exchange of goods or services of any value whatsoever. Sorry to say it, but this covers "healthcare, education, dietary preferences, and everything else they can stick their fingers into having to do with our personal choices", as long as those personal choices have a component of "commerce". Congress cannot go so far as to infrige on Bill of Rights amendments, but these amendments are written with very little bearing on points of commerce (press, religion, and firearms being notable exceptions, and I include religion in there because we all know that many religious organizations are also big businesses).

I'm not saying that the Consitutionally-mandated right to make such laws is the final ethical arbiter of whether or not these laws should be made; I'm just saying that this tired argument of limiting legislation to the Constitutionally-itemized powers really does nothing to move these big issues forward in any way. We are a nation, primarily, of commerce. This fact gives Congress a huge body of legislative power, as elucidated in the Constitution.

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ron_rlw 09/03/10 - 02:13 pm
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So, the Constitution

So, the Constitution EXPLICITLY STATES that Congress has the power to create any laws necessary in the process of regulating anything that occurs in America that involves the exchange of goods or services of any value whatsoever. Sorry to say it, but this covers "healthcare,
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You need to go back and reread your quote from the US Constitution. Your quote limited the federal government's power that onlly that part of the commerence that crosses state, federal bourdies or into Indian territories ... not just "anything that occurs in America that involves the exchange of goods or services ".

The last time I went to a doctor we both were in the same state, during my visit to his office. The insurance company I have also has it's head quarters in the same state I live in. When my son had surgery a month or so ago, everything happened in the same state. So the quote you gave doesn't apply ... but the 10th amendment would.

burninater
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burninater 09/03/10 - 02:43 pm
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Now, as to this point -- "One

Now, as to this point -- "One day he will plead for the rights of women to abort their children, or for legitimization (of) all imaginable lifestyles, and the next day he'll plead for acceptance of a religion in which people are still stoned for this very same behavior" -- perfectly describes what is wrong with the present administration, and much of the country right now.

If you believe in nothing you will fall for anything.
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This writer suffers from an age-old human inability to make distinctions when distinctions may damage their worldview.

Questions:

When was the last stoning by American Muslims?
When was the last stoning by Canadian Muslims?
When was the last stoning by Mexican Muslims?
When was the last stoning by Guatemalan Muslims?
When was the last stoning by Costa Rican Muslims?
When was the last stoning by Panamanian Muslims?

I can continue asking this question of the Muslim population of all the Central American and Caribbean countries, work my way down to every South American Country, bounce across the Pacific to Australia, Asia, Europe, and down to Africa, bring it back to the U.S., and we will find five countries where this question can be answered with a date in the near present: Afghanistan, Somalia, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, and Nigeria. Five countries that are typified by strongman governments and/or ongoing intertribal warfare with general cultures of a lack of regard for human life. I would be willing to bet that even if these five countries were followers of the Bible, rather than the Koran, they would use Old Testament law mandating stoning to express their cultural values of general disregard for individual human rights.

The inability of individuals to separate the behavior of individual followers of a religion from one another, or to view religious behavior in the context of the surrounding cultural climate, is an inability to exercise critical thought, or to consider evidence that doesn't match one's pre-conceptions.

For the vast majority of global Muslims, stoning is not a response to the liberties the President espoused. The President's statement is not contradictory, and does not illustrate a belief in nothing. Rather, it demonstrates an ability to see the world as it exists rather than as it appears to exist when you ignore evidence that contradicts your preconceptions.

If you believe in nothing but what you hold to be true regardless of the evidence, then your beliefs are useless for contributing to the collective wisdom of humanity.

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Chillen 09/03/10 - 02:44 pm
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burninator. These aren't

burninator. These aren't stonings. Will murders do?

"Muslim Father Kills Daughters in the USA" In Texas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=favzluXtznM

Muslim man Kills Daughter for not wearing hijab. (OK, this one's in Canada)

http://www.breitbart.tv/muslim-man-kills-daughter-for-not-wearing-hijab/

Honor Killing in Arizona.

http://www.riverfronttimes.com/2010-03-31/news/honor-thy-father-muslim-h...

Christian convert runs away from muslim father.

http://www.thegrio.com/news/muslim-girl-father-wants-me-dead-for-convert...

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Chillen 09/03/10 - 02:45 pm
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Don't forget about the Ft.

Don't forget about the Ft. Hood muslim who killed 12 or 13 and also the muslim who shot & killed Army recruits about a year ago.

burninater
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burninater 09/03/10 - 02:49 pm
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Ron -- Health insurance

Ron --

Health insurance companies don't compete across state lines, specifically to avoid Congressional regulation. This is a product of the McCarran-Ferguson Act of 1945, which exempts health insurance companies from the federal anti-trust legislation that applies to most businesses, provided they remain as single-state entities.

With this exception, I dare you to make ANY case that healthcare in America is conducted by fifty completely seperate healthcare industries, one industry in each state, that conducts no interstate business whatsoever.

The state-by-state health insurance issue is an interesting one in regards to the mandate in the healthcare overhaul. I can't wait to see how it will play in the Supreme Court. However, using this issue to make the general case that there is no dominantly interstate component to helathcare in America really doesn't hold up when considering the healthcare industry as a whole.

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burninater 09/03/10 - 02:55 pm
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Chillen, I know you have seen

Chillen, I know you have seen many counter-examples in the past on this site of individual cases of Christian-motivated terror and mayhem. I won't insult your intelligence or my time by constructing another such list, just as I won't expect you to insult my intelligence by thinking that such a list would make me believe all Christians are exemplified by the exceptions.

There are 1.57 billion Muslims on Earth right now, according to the Pew Research Center. Use the brain for a moment, and think about that number. Compare it to the number of "Muslim" crimes occurring around us. The gross disparity between those two indicates the criminal is the individual, not the religion.

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ruudvonbaron 09/03/10 - 03:02 pm
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"We could get rid of social

"We could get rid of social security and any safety net programs like widows and childrens benefits when a wage earner dies. No disability benefits. Let people just get by as best they can. Or buy insurance. We could get rid of all federal health care programs, Medicare, Medicaid, and (horrors or horrors) Obamacare."
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Yes we could and should. Personal responsibility requires personal safety nets. Other people aren't entitiled to be supported by taxpayers unwillingly.

ron_rlw
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ron_rlw 09/03/10 - 03:07 pm
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burninater - for whatever

burninater - for whatever reason insurance companies are not interstate commerce and therefore fall out side the interstate commerce clause in the US Constitution and firmly into the domain of the 10th amendment.

Health care on the other hand would be conducted within a state no matter what the laws are because of the need for the doctor to actually do a phyical exam.

The interstate commerce clause purpose was to allow the federal government to regulate the movement of goods from one state to or through another, not to regulate how it is used once the product gets to the state the customer finally uses it in. The 10th amendment specifically forbides the federal government from just taking powers it wasn't specifically given. So the only constitutional way to give the federal government more power is by a constitutional amendment ... Congress oversteps ita authority if it tries to do it by just creating a law and courts oversteps their authority when they try to do it from the bench.

burninater
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burninater 09/03/10 - 03:15 pm
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"Yes we could and should.

"Yes we could and should. Personal responsibility requires personal safety nets. Other people aren't entitiled to be supported by taxpayers unwillingly."

Indeed. We also need to eliminate mortgage interest deductions, and deductions for dependents. Your decision to own a home, and have children, should not be subsidized by those who didn't make that decision for you. Business losses need to be absorbed by the investor. No more of this tax giveaway for a poorly-run business. Members of the military should be well-prepared with private insurance policies prior to going into combat -- they know the risks, they shouldn't expect us to pick up the bill when something goes wrong.

This is just a tip of the iceberg of entitlements run amok.

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