Paper is wrong on Ground Zero mosque

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The Chronicle could not be more wrong in its opinion regarding the Islamic cultural center in lower Manhattan.

First, it has the facts wrong. The Cordoba House will not be at Ground Zero. It will be a couple blocks away among restaurants, shops, buildings and churches. The Cordoba House fits in neatly among them while none of them are appropriate for this, or any other, actual memorial site.

Second, The Chronicle uses the same line other opponents begin with, asserting that it has nothing to do with religious freedom. Hogwash. It has everything to do with religious freedom. The Chronicle asserts that it is instead a matter of religious tolerance. But tolerance is the commodity a minority religion needs where there is an absence of religious freedom.

Our country was founded on the combination of religious freedom and government neutrality. That is what President Obama was driving at. Excepting pre-existing, neutrally-applied laws such as fire codes, it is simply not the government's business to weigh in on this matter. The president is the patriot for reminding us of this. The Chronicle staff and other opponents are the ones that need a civics course.

The Chronicle is right to compare this to other extremists, but its conclusions are in error and there are better examples. Just as James von Brunn (killer of the guard at the Holocaust Memorial) and Scott Roeder (killer of abortion doctor George Tiller) did not act on behalf of law-abiding U.S. Christians, the 9-11 attackers did not act on behalf of law-abiding U.S. Muslims. And that is precisely what we are dealing with here.

When The Chronicle and others of its ilk compare the law-abiding U.S. Muslims involved with the Cordoba House to the 9-11 attackers, it is, for all intents, defaming more than 10 million law-abiding U.S. citizens for the sole reason that their religion is both different from that of The Chronicle's staff and the same as the 9-11 villains over whom they asserted no control.

Finally, The Chronicle gets it wrong when it says much of the Muslim world will see this as a monument to the 9-11 attackers. Certainly some in that world will see it that way. But the vast majority, who are law-abiding citizens of their own countries, will judge our leadership, and talk of freedom, based on what we do here.

We can listen to The Chronicle and let them down, or we can "walk the talk" and engender the goodwill that reduces the hostility that leads to al-Qaida recruits and, as a consequence, larger threats to our soldiers overseas and ourselves at home.

It's a good thing this country is based on religious freedom. If we lacked it, and had to rely on the tolerance of those like The Chronicle's staff, the law-abiding religious minority citizens of this country would have much to fear.

Matt Alan

North Augusta, S.C.

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GGpap
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GGpap 08/29/10 - 12:54 am
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Well said, Matt Alan. Would

Well said, Matt Alan. Would that even more would subscibe to common sense truth rather than close minded and misdirected hatreds.

GGpap

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bettyboop 08/29/10 - 02:54 am
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Matt you are blind.

Matt you are blind.

csrareader
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csrareader 08/29/10 - 04:31 am
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"Finally, The Chronicle gets

"Finally, The Chronicle gets it wrong when it says much of the Muslim world will see this as a monument to the 9-11 attackers."

You are wrong. There is absolutely no doubt that much of the Muslim world WILL see this as a monument to the animals who tried to destroy our Nation, our Freedom and our way of life. The proposed mosque will become an icon to those who still are determined to destroy the United States.

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carcraft 08/29/10 - 04:40 am
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Here is a partial list of

Here is a partial list of Radical Muslim attacks in the US;
1) USS Cole,
2) Kobar Towers,
3)World Trade Center 1st attack,
4) Two US Emabssies in Africa,
5) World Trade Center,
6) Pentagon,
7) Plane that crashed in PA.,
8) Two Marine Recruiters,
9) Shoe Bomber,
10) Christmas day bomber,
11) Time Square bomber,
12) Fort Hood shooter!
I know there may be many more we have never heard about, so in light of this, is it too much to ask muslims to have some sensitivity? There is already a mosque down there where they can go if they so desire! Do they really need another one right there?

My last point is why can't the Greek Orthodox Church that stood down there get permits to rebuild?

bettyboop
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bettyboop 08/29/10 - 05:05 am
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"The Iranian woman awaiting

"The Iranian woman awaiting possible execution by stoning was denied visits from her family and attorney this week, just days after her lawyer's home was ransacked and searched.

Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani's two children were turned away Thursday during visitation hours, her son, Sajjad Ghaderzadeh, told CNN Friday.

"They told me, 'Your mother doesn't want to see you,' and they wouldn't let me in," he said.

But later that night he received a call from his mother.

"The guards had told her, 'Your children didn't visit you today, they want nothing to do with you,'" Ghaderzadeh said.

Ashtiani's children have visited her every Thursday afternoon since she was convicted of adultery in 2006."..................................................muslim tolerance

johnston.cliff
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johnston.cliff 08/29/10 - 05:24 am
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...the 9-11 attackers did not

...the 9-11 attackers did not act on behalf of law-abiding U.S. Muslims.

You can tell by the way the "law-abiding U.S. Muslims" spoke out against the 9-11 attack and the way they stopped sending vast quantities of money to support the "tiny minority" of radicals.

"Finally, The Chronicle gets it wrong when it says much of the Muslim world will see this as a monument to the 9-11 attackers." LOL and a bunch more LOL. History and existing mosques built on the rubble of other Muslim victories doesn't indicate a long, long history of celebratory mosques?

Please, Matt Alan, what does it take for 1+1 to = 2 in your deductive reasoning?

Let me venture a guess ... you're a proud liberal that feels America can stand to be taken down a notch or two and that, as a country, we can use a good dose of humility.

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johnston.cliff 08/29/10 - 05:29 am
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You're way off base with your

You're way off base with your 1:54 GGpap. Your "common sense" is surrounded with a thick, insulating layer of fantasy that doesn't take into consideration the fact that most Americans don't consider the "muslim experience" to be superior to the American way of life.

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NoCatchyName 08/29/10 - 05:38 am
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I agree that it is perfectly

I agree that it is perfectly legal for Muslims to build a mosque at Ground Zero. It is, however, an incredibly insensitive thing to do in the face of the overwhelming opposition. It is also perfectly legal for those who object to oppose its being built there through all legal means.

I also get the whole tolerance thing. What I don't get is why the majority of the American people are the ones who must always be the tolerant ones. Should not the Muslims also be tolerant of the feelings of the majority of the 911 families and the majority of the American people?

I suggest that if the true intention of the Muslims was to promote understanding, healing, and unity, they would not be acting so divisively.

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confederatelady319 08/29/10 - 06:30 am
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I D I O T -This person is

I D I O T -This person is as blind as a bat.Like i say we have way to many stupid people running around this country today.These people want nothing more but to control the world,that is there number one gold,period.

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soldout 08/29/10 - 06:53 am
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The muslin reilgion would

The muslin reilgion would like to change America (who else wants to do that?). I haven't seen any change lately that has done America any good. Those who don't think we have a Christian foundation probably wouldn't be too crazy about a muslin influence in our laws and government. A religion that says convert them or kill them doesn't sound to freedom loving to me.

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Tigger_The_Tiger 08/29/10 - 07:04 am
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And again we see the red

And again we see the red herring. No one is saying they don't have the right to build...just that it shouldn't be done. It's no different than me having the constitutional right to walk around in public and shout racial slurs at everyone I see.....I have the right, but it shouldn't be done.

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dani 08/29/10 - 07:11 am
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The arrogance of this writer

The arrogance of this writer is huge. He claims to know the inner-most thoughts of The Augusta Chronicle writers, Obama, the Islamic community..the list is endless. To be so smart!
I will say that I didn't find a single thought of his that I can agree with.
Possibly because I am not all-knowing.

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Techfan 08/29/10 - 07:33 am
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The Greek Orthodox church can

The Greek Orthodox church can rebuilt on it's original site, but the city doesn't want it taller than the ground Zero Memorial. The city will use eminent domain for underground walls for vehicles entering the area, parking, and bomb proof construction and will pay fair market value for the space. The church has been negotiating with the Port Authority for a land swap to a larger area that will have a larger church. The deal was for the swap and $20 million from the city but the church keeps adding demands that cost more. It's the church holding up rebuilding at ground zero, not the other way around. It took a few seconds to find the info. Maybe try research instead of quoting from right wing viral emails.

ispy4u
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ispy4u 08/29/10 - 07:37 am
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Do you know the inner - most

Do you know the inner - most thoughts of the Americans that are Muslims?

dani
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dani 08/29/10 - 07:41 am
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Any member of the Muslim

Any member of the Muslim community will tell you that if you aren't with them then you are an infidel. Atheists, Christians, Jews, all are infidels. They don't like us, the only alternative is for us to convert - and that is not gonna happen.

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johnston.cliff 08/29/10 - 07:56 am
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Techfan, has anyone ever told

Techfan, has anyone ever told you that you always seem to begin a story somewhere in the middle ... especially if it supports your p.o.v. to do so?

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justthefacts 08/29/10 - 08:01 am
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cliff, yes. I have told Tech

cliff, yes. I have told Tech that many times. Finally gave up.

johnston.cliff
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johnston.cliff 08/29/10 - 08:03 am
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This big brouhaha is all

This big brouhaha is all about location. The Muslim community (the part with money) wants to build the mosque on the site of the Muslim victory over the United States and the opponents don't want a celebratory mosque in their face.

The cat is out of the bag. Is the "religion of peace" willing to pursue peace or will they insist on their right to gloat? and will the controversy end if this mosque is built?

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Riverman1 08/29/10 - 08:45 am
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I'm glad a mosque is being

I'm glad a mosque is being built in Columbia County. I'm going to start dropping by so I can learn about Islam. The way they are going their religion will take over this country before long. I'm going to convert in that mosque on Old Evans Rd. before they start doing the Daniel Pearl thing to nonbelievers.

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momster59 08/29/10 - 09:18 am
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Wow, the ignorance and hatred

Wow, the ignorance and hatred posted here is overwhelming. I personally know many Muslims. They hate the taliban and al' queda more than we do. Riverman - I think you should visit the mosque. Visit one now and discover that their worries, prayers and sermons are not that much different than in the Christian churches. Are all Christians evil because of the Inquisition? Absolutely not! Likewise, the vast majority of the Muslims in this country just want to practice their religion and live their lives in peace.
I've never seen my Muslim friends try to proselytize anyone, but I see "christians" do it all the time and harass those who refuse to listen. "christian taliban" members need to remember this is not a theocracy like the nations you complain about.

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c.james 08/29/10 - 09:27 am
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Anyone who believes that

Anyone who believes that these fanatics are just practicing their religion peacefully also believes in the Easter Bunny. It’s like Russian roulette; you don’t know which one is going to kill you or your family. Just look at the history of these Christian haters. No bibles allowed in their culture, a complete non tolerance of Christianity. Islam Teaches Salvation comes only through Allah. Only those who obey Allah and Mohammed his prophet can enter into Heaven. Christianity teaches that salvation comes only through Jesus Christ. Islam denies the crucifixion of Jesus. Jesus never died. Yet we bow to their beliefs and go beyond tolerance of their fanatical religious beliefs. In comparison to the Jewish teachings which allows for belief in the Old Testament the Muslims have not only denied the existence of Jesus Christ but find it offensive to a point of violence. We need to be cognizant of their presence, if not we will be in the same position as France and England where they are so well placed in their culture it will be impossible to separate them. I say we put a moratorium on Islam and get this situation under control. T o build that Mosque by Ground Zero is inexcusable and needs to be stopped NOW. Matt Alan is a pseudonym for one of their faithful watch these plants in our society and keep them under scrutiny.

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confederatelady319 08/29/10 - 09:37 am
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Momster59 please tell us that

Momster59 please tell us that you are not that ignorant,these people are taught to look you the infidel in the face and never tell the truth.I see alot of people being lead to slaughter in the future.

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getalife 08/29/10 - 09:44 am
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They have the right to build

They have the right to build where they want, but it is awfully insensitive to built the Mosque there. I am very concerned about what their religion and the Koran teaches them. The countries that are Muslim are scary in the way they treat their people.

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TheFederalist 08/29/10 - 10:06 am
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Sorry Mr. Alan, but your

Sorry Mr. Alan, but your letter reeks of liberal bias, and even though you try to disguise it under the guise of religious freedom, we can all very clearly see where your loyalties abide.

Once again, you and others have tried to label almost 3/4 of the USA as being nothing but bigots, willing to trample our constitution. What sheer nonsense! That is about as dishonest as you can get, and shame on you for your lame effort sir.

The fact is that muslims enjoy more religious freedom here in the USA than anywhere in the world. There are more mosques here in the USA than anywhere in the world. They are able to worship freely anywhere in the USA, and are doing so as we speak. They are even totally free from the sectarian violence that kills muslims daily throughout the arab muslim world. Your argument fails under the weight of truth.

No, actually there are only a couple of mosques that are being resisted by just a few US communities, for valid reasons. The one at ground zero is one, that has absolutely nothing to do with rights or freedom of religion. It has EVERYTHING to do with sensitivity to the community it is attempting to join, and the still raw wounds of the 9/11 survivors.

Are you so in bed with the muslims that you cannot understand that one simple concept?

You are dead wrong sir, and by standing with Islam, you have slapped your fellow Americans across the face, told us all that we are bigots and traitors to our constitution. More importantly, you have told us all how little you care about those that lost loved ones on 9/11, and how little you care about the feelings of the rest of us that care so deeply about what happened on that very spot. It doesn't matter if it is 2 blocks away, or 5 blocks away, it is just too darned close to the spot where our freedom was attacked, and where we lost 3000 innocent American lives....at the hands of muslims. Radical extremists? Yes, but muslims, just the same. They died, and took 3000 innocent Americans with them for one reason only. The muslim faith. Pure and simple. It's called jihad.

Now, within earshot of the now hallowed ground where they perished, at the hands of muslims, you want us to freely allow the construction of this mosque, where the cry, "Allah Akbar!", even now, echoes through the streets near where they died. The same cry that muslims shouted, when they happily flew commercial airplanes full of innocent Americans into the Twin Towers, shouting, "ALLAH AKBAR!!! ("Allah is Greater")

I, and over 70% of my fellow Americans say NO!

Someday, perhaps you will understand, but I sincerely doubt it.

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TheFederalist 08/29/10 - 01:24 pm
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Some liberals here also are

Some liberals here also are wrong, when they happily believe the cover story put out by the Port Authority of New York, about the rebuilding of the St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church. Like most cities, they are trying simply to cover their collective rear ends, because now that the mosque is getting all the press, the rebuilding of the church is also getting the same attention.

Rev. Mark Arey, archdiocese spokesman said negotiations were in the final stages, with the church "acting in good faith," when the Port Authority suddenly stopped returning calls. He and other church officials think the agency changed course because the fate of the old Deutsche Bank building next to the new site — which is supposed to become Tower 5 of the rebuilt World Trade Center — became unclear after JP Morgan Chase took over Bear Stearns' midtown offices and no longer needed a new building downtown.

"Maybe they wanted to figure out what else to do with that property," Couloucoundis, president of the St. Nicholas parish council said. "The official account is that the church was too demanding. That's completely ridiculous. We weren't suddenly asking for $100 million or to build a church 30 stories high."

What is clear is that it is the Port Authority of New York that has broken off all negotiations, and refuses to discuss the matter further.

Maybe try research instead of quoting from left wing viral emails.

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dichotomy 08/29/10 - 10:26 am
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People who are protesting the

People who are protesting the mosques are not un-American. They are not anti-religious freedom. In the past few years they have been made aware of shariah, "the way", "the path" and that shariah is a fundamental part of the muslim religion. Religious freedom is the American way, and it is the law, BUT shariah is, by it's very nature, un-American and violates the rights of women, and the protection of our judicial system. Yes, we have a conundrum but it is not an un-American conundrum. I don't think the people protesting mosques are un-American and I certainly don't think they are paranoid Christians. I think they are offended and concerned. I think they are venting their anger against a religion they perceive as having attacked and killed 3000 people on American soil and I think they are concerned about something using the cloak of a religion which wants to implement shariah law in this country. Maybe that is a little paranoid but I'm not sure. Do I think all muslims are radical killers? No. Do I think all muslims might dream of the day they are a majority and would implement shariah law? Yes. Do I like seeing mosques built and the population of muslims growing exponentially? No. Does our Constitution protect them as a religion? Yes. Will the SCOTUS eventually rule that muslims can worship as they wish but cannot practice any part of their religion that violates individual constitutional rights? I don't know. I guess it will depend on the makeup of SCOTUS. Who are you voting for as president and senator for the next 30 or 40 years? They will determine the status of shariah when the question hits the court system.

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johnston.cliff 08/29/10 - 11:30 am
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Honor killings. 'Nuf said?

Honor killings.

'Nuf said?

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usafvet 08/29/10 - 12:12 pm
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If they build a mosque, they

If they build a mosque, they can harbor terrorists, they can set up communications with all groups that want to destroy America, they can beat us to death using the freedoms that were never written nor intended to be given to a group whose intent is to destroy us. Us being all that are not muslims. We are allowing them to set up a command center. If the muslims want to be accepted by most Americans, they must start policing themselves. The non radicals know better how to distinguish than we do. Until that happens, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, most likely it is a duck.

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getreal2012 08/29/10 - 12:27 pm
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islam is not a religion, it

islam is not a religion, it is a violent, radical, and intolerant political party... much like that of the democrats.

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c.james 08/29/10 - 12:28 pm
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Religious freedom can only go

Religious freedom can only go so far. Let’s take Nazism. This was a belief that a superior race existed and that the Nazis claimed that Jews were the greatest threat to the Aryan race and the German nation. They considered Jews a parasitic race that attached itself to various ideologies and movements to secure its self-preservation and for that reason a war ensued and genocide was practiced. Fast forward to now and the same argument about Islam. Genocide is being practiced by Islam as a means of eliminating the infidels. Look at Saddam Hussein and his murdering thousands of Kurds based on religious conflicts. To say that Islam is a peaceful culture and that a minority of extremists exists is like burying our heads in the sand and ignoring the obvious. Only difference is that they do it in the name of Allah instead of Adolf. If we as a Nation allow this President to blend these murderers into our culture and become transparent, we are opening ourselves to a death sentence for our kids and their children.

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