Muslim nations rife with intolerance

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On Aug. 5, 10 medical workers from International Assistance Mission -- a charitable, nonprofit, Christian organization -- were brutally murdered in Afghanistan. Among them were six Americans. The only survivor was the driver who begged for his life and quoted the Quran. The team included an eye doctor, a dental surgeon and a general practitioner.

They had no security people, no guards, and no weapons. Yet they were gunned down. Why? Mujahed, the Taliban spokesman, said, "They were not doctors. They were trying to spread the Christian religion in Karan wa Majan."

Now we are having debates over the mosque near Ground Zero, the site where Muslim terrorists committed such an unbelievable act. Since there are more than 100 mosques in the five boroughs of New York City, why the controversy? It is location, power and submission.

This is not about religious freedom or tolerance. Muslim leaders are free in America to find another location to build the 101st mosque in New York. If they are truly "peaceful," as they are trying to convince us, they should be sensitive to the families of the victims and the American people.

What would happen if Christians tried to build a church in a Muslim city such as Mecca? I looked it up. There are no Christian churches in all of Saudi Arabia. I read that there are 900,000 Filipino workers in Saudi Arabia, 90 percent of them Christians, and they have nowhere to worship. Bibles are confiscated; crosses are not allowed; and small groups meeting for Bible studies face arrest.

We need to educate ourselves on Islam and the Quran.

Catharine McClure

Evans

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soldout
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soldout 08/25/10 - 09:28 pm
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Amen and Amen; the writer is

Amen and Amen; the writer is so so correct. It's their way or the highway. They gladly use our freedom of religion but offer none.

faithson
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faithson 08/26/10 - 12:18 am
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So we 'lower' our

So we 'lower' our standards... and the terrorists really do win...

sjgraci
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sjgraci 08/26/10 - 01:20 am
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Bigots always try to lower

Bigots always try to lower their standards to those of other bigots.

GGpap
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GGpap 08/26/10 - 03:20 am
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Ms. McClure writes, "I read

Ms. McClure writes, "I read that there are 900,000 Filipino workers in Saudi Arabia, 90 percent of them Christians, and they have nowhere to worship."

I guess christians, as suggested by Ms. McClure, are not capable of prayer and worship in the privacy of their own homes. Weak christians I would say.

Saudi Arabia is a muslim country, Ms. McClure, they have no constitution in place that would guarantee freedom of religion to it's guests; but, America does...and it is for THAT reason, you and other christian fanatics in America continue to agitate for the overthrow of countries/governments that are non-christian.

Or perhaps, you would you find it more convenient to ignore the U.S. Constitution and forbid muslims from establishing centers of worship in America.

Concerning the overthrow of non-christian countries/governments, as evidenced by our misguided adventures in Iraq and Afghanistan that were originally initiated by another “born again christian,” it is folks like Ms. McClure and her christian COMRADES that are really responsible for the ultimate sacrifices so many of our young men… and countless numbers of innocent men, women and children…have made in the name of “democracy” over the past 8 years.

GGpap

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justus4 08/26/10 - 04:41 am
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The U.S. is NOT Saudi Arabia!
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The U.S. is NOT Saudi Arabia! Or N. Korea! Or Iran! No intelligent comparison can possibly be made with other countries, given our history. Our Constitution guarantees specific rights! Other countries don't possess such a document! So, because we are committed to our constitutional principles & values, even when it hurts, America MUST, MUST, be consistent in the application of those rights. Ignorance is on display with this Cultural Center thing, but because of said principles, it will be built and those who oppose it will be on the wrong side of history. Want proof? Go find those Segregationists, or Radical Republicans who opposed Civil Rights based on hate & fear. Review their statements. Their position was based on fabricated myths and personal fears, of which this LTE has taken a few chapters.

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johnston.cliff 08/26/10 - 05:16 am
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Islam good, Christianity bad.

Islam good, Christianity bad. Lefties is weird.

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InChristLove 08/26/10 - 05:31 am
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GGpap, go back and re-read

GGpap, go back and re-read the LTE. This isn't about not allowing the muslims to have their place of worship (if that were the case, all the other 100 mosques wouldn't exist). It's how they say "location, location, location".

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southernguy08 08/26/10 - 07:16 am
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No churches in Saudi Arabia?
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No churches in Saudi Arabia? No...say it ain't so! That can't be true, since all we hear is how Islam is a faith of tolerance and acceptance! Oh, y'all watch out for those flying pigs!

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soldout 08/26/10 - 07:21 am
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justus it was the democratics

justus it was the democratics that fought the civil rights legislation.

southernguy08
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southernguy08 08/26/10 - 07:21 am
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The fact that Muslims want
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The fact that Muslims want this mosque at THIS location so much is indicative of just what they think of America. Publicly, they will tout this as a representation of religious tolerance in America. Privately, they will scoff at this freedom in America and celebrate this mosque as representative of the day when other Muslims struck a great blow at the "great Satan."

Tell it like it is
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Tell it like it is 08/26/10 - 07:28 am
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For example, most of them

For example,
most of them don’t understand that “Cordoba House” is a
deliberately
insulting term. It refers to Cordoba, Spain – the capital of Muslim
conquerors who symbolized their victory over the Christian Spaniards
by transforming a church there into the world’s third-largest
mosque
complex.
Today, some of the Mosque’s backers insist this term is being used
to
"symbolize interfaith cooperation" when, in fact, every Islamist in
the world recognizes Cordoba as a symbol of Islamic conquest. It is a
sign of their contempt for Americans and their confidence in our
historic ignorance that they would deliberately insult us this way.
Those Islamists and their apologists who argue for "religious
toleration" are arrogantly dishonest. They ignore the fact that more
than 100 mosques already exist in New York City. Meanwhile, there
are
no churches or synagogues in all of Saudi Arabia. In fact no
Christian
or Jew can even enter Mecca. And they lecture us about tolerance.
If the people behind the Cordoba House were serious about religious
toleration, they would be imploring the Saudis, as fellow Muslims, to
immediately open up Mecca to all and immediately announce their
intention to allow non-Muslim houses of worship in the Kingdom. They
should be asked by the news media if they would be willing to lead
such a campaign.
We have not been able to rebuild the World Trade Center in nine
years.
Now we are being told a 13 story, $100 million megamosque will be
built within a year overlooking the site of the most devastating
surprise attack in American history.
Finally where is the money coming from? The people behind the Cordoba
House refuse to reveal all their funding sources.

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dichotomy 08/26/10 - 09:46 am
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Sure, they have a right to

Sure, they have a right to build the mosque. But don't pee on our heads and tell us it's raining. Don't tell us the mosque is to promote understanding when it is obviously a poke in the eye. They have a legal right to build. We have a legal right to protest and oppose. We have a right to dig for information on the funding and possibly expose the intentional poke in the eye from the money men in those countries that persecute and murder christians. While our laws give them the right to build we have the duty to expose their ulterior motives. Nothing in the law says we have to sit quietly and play stupid while they claim that a former table waiter plopped down $5 million cash to buy that building. We MUST allow them to build it but we DO NOT have to be QUIET and STUPID while they are poking us in the eye. The laws and the Constitution are doing their jobs by allowing the mosque to proceed and the people who are offended by the project are exercising their Constitutional rights to protest and attempt to expose the funding and motivation behind this mosque. Everything is working just fine.

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So crates 08/26/10 - 10:44 am
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Here's one better, Cat.

Here's one better, Cat. Educate yourselves on all religions, especially whatever silliness you've chosen to fall for.

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papersonja 08/26/10 - 11:01 am
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I agree with the last

I agree with the last sentence of Ms Mc Clure's piece...."We need to educate ourselves on Islam and the Quran." I wonder if she'll take her own advice and do just that. If she does she will learn that adherents of Islam pray, fast, give alms and take off their shoes and cover the nape of their necks in worship (just as Christians used to do but did away with for some reason). What is offensive about these things to her? I wonder. She seems to be confusing culture with faith. Why would she want the culture in America to emulate the culture of Saudi Arabia by not letting a place of worship be built? She seems anti-American to me. Does she know 30 American muslims were also victims of 9/11? I wonder. I have educated myself on Islam and the Quran, and that is why I whole-heartedly embraced Islam. I am muslim by faith and American by nationality. I don't confuse the two.

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gaspringwater 08/26/10 - 11:40 am
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Ms. McClure perhaps you're

Ms. McClure perhaps you're aware that Christianity is not big in the Middle East. The Israeli state allows religious diversity and it had a population of 10 million in 2005. The land was home of John the Baptist but there's only 900 Baptist in Israel. Another 200 Pentecostals.

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gaspringwater 08/26/10 - 12:21 pm
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Ms. McClure said - Muslim

Ms. McClure said - Muslim leaders are free in America to find another location to build the 101st mosque in New York. If they are truly "peaceful," as they are trying to convince us, they should be sensitive to the families of the victims and the American people.

New York's Muslim residents are not responsible for 9-11 and why should they be the discriminated against because of it. They have a right to build their mosque at a place of their choosing just like Christians have a right to build their churches at places of their choosing.

The mosque furor is nothing but bigotry. It's just like persecuting the Japanese in America because of the attack on Pearl Harbor.

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chascush 08/26/10 - 02:10 pm
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papersonja, ‘I have educated

papersonja, ‘I have educated myself on Islam and the Quran, and that is why I whole-heartedly embraced Islam.’
Since you are educated on the Koran please explain the part that says it the duty of Muslims to convert infidels and if the infidels will not convert it is ok to kill them.

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chascush 08/26/10 - 02:20 pm
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The reason most of the

The reason most of the ignoramuses here are for the mosque is because Hussein is for it. They have no idea except their messiah said it is OK so they are all for it. They are like the rats following the pied piper when he blows they follow.

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gaspringwater 08/26/10 - 02:28 pm
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Wonder if conservatives who

Wonder if conservatives who revere ground zero complained when the Bush-Cheney '04 campaign used 9/11 film footage in a multimillion dollar ad campaign to get votes. Bush's "Safer and Stronger" pitch. Some people spoke out and a white House spokesman wondered if the complainers were partisan Democrats.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/03/05/bush_ads

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faithson 08/26/10 - 02:44 pm
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Media pun dents are the

Media pun dents are the driving force here. To many people are watching this consternation as if they had a 'dog in the fight', when they don't. Our local community should be our primary concern. To allow these 'hacks' to upset people to gain audience ratings is perverse. I had a friend suggest to me that we are on a path to insurrection against Moslem's... he doesn't even know one, yet he has this visceral hate for them. Now where does that come from, not his experience with them. He is a Glenn Beck listener and I fear he may have been taken in by the 'boards'. so sad, so sad.

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gaspringwater 08/26/10 - 03:16 pm
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Interesting! Bush delivered

Interesting! Bush delivered a 14 Sept 2001 bullhorn speech at ground zero and put his arm around a fireman. I think that photo was put on a US Postal stamp. Bush talked and the rescue workers chanted, U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A. and God bless America!

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/gwbush911groundzerobullhorn.htm

Years later, in true American spirit, the rescue workers would sue the city for their health injuries.

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Willow Bailey 08/26/10 - 05:56 pm
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Catherine, thank you so much

Catherine, thank you so much for your letter. Yes, Yes, Yes

Do you think there could be a memorial marker left at the scene of these tragic deaths or that family members would be safe to travel to the site for a memorial service? We all know the answers. The Muslims must be rolling on the floor in laughter at us as our citizens defend their rights. They don't need to defeat us; we will do their work for them. I wish everyone supporting them, would take a year off and go live in their country.

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gaspringwater 08/26/10 - 08:28 pm
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Willow Bailey - Bullying and

Willow Bailey - Bullying and whipping up on people is not the path for lasting peace. A wise mind said:

Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding - Albert Einstein

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KSL 08/26/10 - 08:34 pm
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GG, so Muslims can't get out

GG, so Muslims can't get out their prayer rugs, look at the slit on one side and properly point it toward Mecca in the privacy of their own homes?

But wait. Americans aren't asking them to do that. They are just asking that they show some sensitivity to people who feel the mosque should not cast a shadow on Ground Zero. Don't you think it should work both ways?

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KSL 08/26/10 - 08:35 pm
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Guess not.

Guess not.

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Sargebaby 08/26/10 - 08:54 pm
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papersonja says; "We need to

papersonja says; "We need to educate ourselves on Islam and the Quran."
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I say you're right, papersonja, but after a thorough familiarization of Islam, the Qur'an, and Shriah, it changed my mood of acceptance, to one of fear. Fear of how women are treated; fear of the goal of Muhammad to dominate the world, and kill the infidels who oppose Islam; fear of people being stoned to death for non-violent misgivings; and the worse fear of all, that those who will not familiarize themselves with the Qur'an, will never realize that it was a child molester who wrote it, incorporating some of the Holy Bible, but inserting his own selfish rules.

Now, would you like me to print some of these wonderful verses?

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Sargebaby 08/26/10 - 09:05 pm
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This is interesting;

This is interesting; "Current books of Islamic jurisprudence add more fuel to the fire by noting that it is an obligation for the Muslim Umma to declare wars on non-Muslim nations until the people of these nations convert to Islam. According to ALL accepted schools of Islamic jurisprudence, non-Muslims are to be offered conversion to Islam, to pay a Jizzia (humiliating tax), or to be killed. Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri was therefore not inventing a new rule when he offered the US subjugation to Islamic rule in order to stop terrorism.

http://www.factsandarts.com/articles/can-fresh-interpretations-of-islami...

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Sargebaby 08/26/10 - 09:11 pm
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I suggest to papersonja, and

I suggest to papersonja, and anyone who has doubts about Islam, definitely familiarize yourselves with Muslims, Islam, the Qur'an, and Shriah. Note; I do not contend that all are evil. I have Muslim friends who I love. However, if one would read the entire article linked above, there is cause to be cautious!

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chascush 08/26/10 - 09:57 pm
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Sarge, it seems you shut the

Sarge, it seems you shut the idiots up,very good job. Most of the Hussein koolaid drinkers don't have a clue what they are talking about.

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aladienfadel 08/27/10 - 07:33 am
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The Park51 planned community

The Park51 planned community center will be built by American Muslims to serve American Muslims and the neighborhood whether Muslims or not. It is not built by Saudi Arabia. American Muslims are not citizens of Saudi Arabia. I do not believe that the author of this message is inviting us to invade Saudi Arabia to teach them a lesson of democracy and religious tolerance. What is really important to us is to be respectful to each other and to discuss our concerns in a mature way. American Muslims did not attack the World Trade Center. They condemned all acts of terrorism. They are working with the government, law enforcement and diplomatic channels to create mutual trust and respect between US and countries with Muslim majority.
Civil and honest dialogue, inclusion and cooperation are the best ways of reconciliation.

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