ASU suit highlights confusion over truth

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I have worked at the interface of medicine, psychology and psychiatry, and morality (ethics) for 40 years, having been on the faculty of the Medical College of Georgia for 25 years among other endeavors. The lawsuit of Jennifer Keeton against Augusta State University represents the confusion of our times over science, moral and legal issues.

Jonas Robitscher, in his book The Power of Psychiatry, describes how, in 1973, the designation of homosexuality was changed from "an official disease classification" of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders simply by the vote of a committee of the American Psychiatric Association. That is "science" by committee.

Dr. Paul Cameron, in his book The Gay Nineties: What the Empirical Evidence Reveals about Homosexuality, documents how homosexuality spreads sexually transmitted diseases far more rampantly than heterosexuality, most notably HIV/AIDS. He has further documented that homosexuals have a greater involvement than heterosexuals in serious and petty crimes of every type.

The only reason that homosexuality has become acceptable is the institutionalization of political correctness on college campuses, including ASU, which is an agenda of the religion of secular humanism, as defined by the U.S. Supreme Court in Malnak v. Maharishi Mahese Yogi . This ideation extends throughout the campus from my observations as a student there.

The only issue in this case is whether a law has been violated by the behavior of faculty at ASU. There are no grounds to justify the behavior of ASU faculty on science, moral or religious belief. They have adopted certain personal preferences. Whether they have violated a law is up to the courts.

But if they do have legal standing, then everything for which ASU and all universities are supposed to stand -- the collegiality of an effort to find truth -- burns to ashes. Universities then become institutions for the enforcement of state "truth." We already have seen those results in communist countries!

Franklin E. Payne, M.D.

Augusta

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dashiel
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dashiel 08/18/10 - 10:59 pm
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That gull is a reg'lar

That gull is a reg'lar Christian martyr is what she is, a reg'lar Christian martyr. The very idea! How dare a mean ol' university try and teach tolerance to somebody just because they want to be a professional counselor. What is this world coming to?

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shamrock 08/18/10 - 11:16 pm
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dashiel ... ASU is hardly

dashiel ... ASU is hardly teaching tolerance when they choose to walk all over someone's right to disagree based on their own moral and religious beliefs. I really have to agree with Dr. Payne ... BRAVO!!

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dougk 08/19/10 - 12:41 am
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Well, Dr.Payne, why don't you
Unpublished

Well, Dr.Payne, why don't you tell us the "truth." You seem to know what the truth is not....you got a hotline?? And, what do you know about science? From your letter, very little. Are you REALLY claiming that ASU profs are commies? All of them? Or are there just some or a few....tell us which ones...we'll rat them out..isn't this cool, it's like the 1950s??

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chasboy 08/19/10 - 12:50 am
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You must be the 5th doctor

You must be the 5th doctor when they say 4 out of five doctors...

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grouse 08/19/10 - 01:10 am
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"In 1983, the American
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"In 1983, the American Psychological Association expelled Cameron for non-cooperation with an ethics investigation, although by his own account he had resigned from the organization the previous year. Position statements issued by the American Sociological Association and Canadian Psychological Association have accused Cameron of misrepresenting social science research...For the most part, official scientific organizations have paid very little attention to Cameron's studies, and thus extensive scientific analysis of his claims have not been widely available. However Cameron's research, public statements and legal testimony have received criticism from researchers and organizations over methodologies they view as academically dishonest and misleading." That pretty well sums it up.

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DanK 08/19/10 - 01:52 am
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It is embarrassing when a

It is embarrassing when a doctor, who is supposed to be knowledgeable about science and its applications to human disorders, as well as humanitarian and caring about people, fails to meet the standards of the profession.

(1) Cameron's arguments were debunked before the ink was even dry. Most HIV worldwide is transmitted heterosexually.

(2) The classification of homosexuality as a "disease" by the in the first place was by the relevant review committee within the of the American Psychiatric Association, which publishes the manual, but it evolved out of an old military manual. The DSMMD also had (and still contains) all sorts of arcane and archaic concepts that have little relation to scientifically verifiable illness (mental or physical).

(3) It is the responsibility of all health professionals tro treat all people with respect and dignity, regardless of the race, gender, political affiliation, religious beliefs, sexual orientation, height, weight, cultural identity, etc. To have an MD actually defending a student who refuses to serve a segment of patients, no matter WHAT the reason, is unconscionable, irresponsible and unprofessional. Cultural competency is a core value in medicine and all the health scences at MCG and everywhere else.

Finally, to attack faculty in a different subject specialty, a different professional discipline, for adhering to the ethics and training standards established by their professional accrediting associations, to ignore the ethics and standards of one's own profession in so doing, is without doubt one of the most egregious forms of professional misconduct.

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Flick99 08/19/10 - 02:25 am
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Nice try Dr. Payne. But using

Nice try Dr. Payne. But using Cameron as a reference says more about you as a person. The APA dropped Cameron in 1983 for violating the principles of Psychology. In 1986 the American Sociological Association passed a resolution condemning Cameron for "consistent misrepresentation of sociological research". It seems he used and continues to use flawed methodology on homosexual data. He's also discredited in Canada. And to top it off, he's the chairman of "The Family Research Institute", which is listed as a "HATE" organization with the Southern Poverty Law Center. So yes, please continue to use this man as your reference, because it really just shows what this is about, it's not about religion, it's about hate and trying to find ways to justify it.

Flick99
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Flick99 08/19/10 - 02:32 am
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I forgot to add the most

I forgot to add the most important part to my last post. Paul Cameron's research is what Fred Phelps and The Westboro Baptist Church use as reference to justify their hate. You know Fred Phelps right? The so called pastor that pickets funerals of gays and American soldiers, with signs such as "God Hates Fags", "Thank God For AIDS", etc.

NewHere
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NewHere 08/19/10 - 05:12 am
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This is hateful letter, can

This is hateful letter, can not wait to leave this town...November get here soon!

psychologyseniorusc
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psychologyseniorusc 08/19/10 - 06:03 am
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just wondering why, as a soc.

just wondering why, as a soc. major, more heteros have HIV then homosexuals, as has always been the case? hum,. or yum. explain please. we are looking at sexuality instead of sexual acts? letting personal convictions intervene, make us look the other way? u tell me.

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rmwhitley 08/19/10 - 06:12 am
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Tolerance is a two-sided
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Tolerance is a two-sided coin. ASU exhibits "politically correct" tolerance at it's convenience.

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Dixieman 08/19/10 - 06:49 am
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AIDS was originally called

AIDS was originally called "GRID" or "gay-related immune disease" until the PC crowd forced the docs and health professionals to change it. Some heterosexuals get it (primarily in Africa due to different sexual practices there) but in the US drug users and homosexuals account for most cases.
I hope no one will use psychologyseniorusc's post to harass the author of the letter. Why was that info posted here???

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jiclemens 08/19/10 - 07:19 am
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So the byline says Franklin

So the byline says Franklin Payne "and" MD, yet it is signed Franklin Payne, MD. Which is it? and what is it? and how much did it cost him, and was he ever allowed to practise on real people?
I guess this is evidence that education doesn't necessarily make one intelligent. He squeeked through, just like Keeton could have, because he lives in an area full of hate. He obviously comes from the same era that used innocent blacks to study syphilus.

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johnston.cliff 08/19/10 - 08:33 am
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For those of you that don't

For those of you that don't know, there's about 25 or 50 times the number of straights as there are gays. With the promotion of homosexuality as a viable lifestyle by the government media, government schools and the entertainment industry, plenty of gays and straights intermingle openly ...("some of my best friends ..." syndrome).
Those of you that are surprised that HIV/AIDS has spread to the straight community must fall into the "easily tricked" category.

Dr. Payne has the credentials and experience to make an intelligent and informed comment on the stand of the ASU professor that ran into a student with conviction of her faith. His letter names times and places of secular victories in the court of social opinion, all of which are relevant to this case (as proven by the "cockroach to light" reaction of the secular/pro gay" crowd).

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jiclemens 08/19/10 - 08:19 am
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"Dr. Payne has the

"Dr. Payne has the credentials and experience to make an intelligent and informed comment on the stand of the ASU professor "

I would welcome having Dr. Payne come try to testify in the case. While we're at it let's have him go to CA to defend Proposition 8. His blatant ignorance would help settle the case immediately.

johnston.cliff
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johnston.cliff 08/19/10 - 08:32 am
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jiclemens, your preconceived

jiclemens, your preconceived (for personal reasons?) perspective seems to prevent you from using logic or well based extrapolation. Do you read your rants before you post?
Franklin Payne makes several good points.

effete elitist liberal
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effete elitist liberal 08/19/10 - 08:44 am
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I'll just say this: Dr.

I'll just say this: Dr. Payne's letter makes me proud to be a God-fearing, red-blooded, Southern, white, Christian, patriotic, did I say Christian?, American male!

johnston.cliff
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johnston.cliff 08/19/10 - 09:04 am
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That's the whole rub, isn't

That's the whole rub, isn't it eel. Christianity, and all of the baggage of personal responsibility, personal accountability and morals that it includes. It's this reason that I feel the professor trying to force the "secular only" view on this one questioning student may need to reevaluate her approach.

GAterp
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GAterp 08/19/10 - 09:14 am
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Payne, you're just another

Payne, you're just another Homophobe!

jiclemens
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jiclemens 08/19/10 - 09:26 am
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"Franklin Payne makes several

"Franklin Payne makes several good points."

Thanks for the chuckle.

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faithson 08/19/10 - 09:27 am
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grouse, flick99 make the case

grouse, flick99 make the case for the creditability of this LTE. It has none in the eyes of those live by civilized standards and codes. Being an electrician, I don't have the luxury of 'doing it myway'. I must adhere to the standards and codes set forth by my 'licensee', the state of Georgia. Why is it so hard for some to see that this whole issue is based upon the issuance of a 'license' from an accredited agency that expects the licensee to complete a course and be knowledgable in the codes and standards expected.

effete elitist liberal
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effete elitist liberal 08/19/10 - 09:40 am
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johnston.cliff: yes,

johnston.cliff: yes, Christianity's most of "the rub," anyway. Have a nice day!

Dixieman
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Dixieman 08/19/10 - 10:02 am
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I notice here (as elsewhere)

I notice here (as elsewhere) the vicious, personal, and often irrelevant attacks on conservative posters by libs, while the conservative responses are more temperate, better-reasoned and more addressed to the substance of the discussion. (I exclude myself because I just like to be the gadfly....)

effete elitist liberal
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effete elitist liberal 08/19/10 - 10:23 am
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Dixieman: don't know about

Dixieman: don't know about "lib" and conservative posters, but perhaps you overlooked Dr. Pain's [sic] vicious attacks on gays as rampant sex fiends and criminals, and their "lib" defenders as no better than Communists. Conservative posters defending those gutter lies deserve whatever they get.

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Dixieman 08/19/10 - 10:37 am
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eel - your response very

eel - your response very eloquently proves my point.

JusticeForEva
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JusticeForEva 08/19/10 - 10:37 am
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My Pit Bull is more tolerant

My Pit Bull is more tolerant then some of you so-called "Christians". If you don't like homosexuality or gay people or gay marriages...fine! Then you don't ever have to associate with one. But don't use your book of thousand year old Jewish zombie myths to dictate the lives of everyone. Zealots.

effete elitist liberal
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effete elitist liberal 08/19/10 - 10:46 am
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Dixieman: I'll turn the

Dixieman: I'll turn the proverbial other cheek, and in love, sorrow, and deep humility assure you that we "libs" are a forgiving bunch. We hate your sin of Christianity, but love you Christian sinners. If you were my client, I would counsel you to accept that your Christian behavior is immoral, and you must change it to save yourself. At least that's how I'd LIKE to counsel you, but ASU and ACA professional standards forbid me.

JusticeForEva
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JusticeForEva 08/19/10 - 10:50 am
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Be careful eel you might make

Be careful eel you might make too much sense :-P

So crates
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So crates 08/19/10 - 12:18 pm
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The good Doctor Pain is not

The good Doctor Pain is not incorrect, but neither is he correct. His lead authority, Robitch, died in 1981, hardly qualifying anything he ever wrote to pass the scrutiny of the science since then. What Dr. Pain evades in referring to this source is that there was never any qualified science to support that homosexuality was a disease. So, in the sense that something biologic is different in homosexuals, there is reason for science to make note, but to refer to the condition as a disease is no more correct than to say, for instance, that Africans are diseased because there skin is not white. For this reason and others which do, in fact, cross legal, ethical, and psychiatric areas, those psychiatrists in charge of this designation felt they had no ethical choice but to stop referring to homosexuality as a disorder. And time has proved their wisdom.

As to the incidence of disease, the statistics bear against Dr. Cameron. Anal sex is simply risky sex; but this true regardless of sexuality. But do lesbians get mor HIV? Because they don't I think we can logically conclude that orientation is not the cause of disease: behavior is. Which leads us to prison, where supposedly we find more homosexuals. Anecdotally, I have certainly witnessed this. But I have also witnessed another factor: higher incidence of development issues which cause increased personality and emotional disorders. So, in this case, behavior is again an issue, but the behavior of those around the homosexual is the behavior at fault. This, again, is a factor considered in 1973. The issue is not that homosexuality causes bad behavior, but that homosexuals often hdo not receive appropriate upbringing in a world that assumes one must be heterosexual.

Political correctness is not the reason homosexuality is tolerated, science is. Compassion is. There is no cure or treatment and it occurs naturally across hundreds of species, not just animals.

I agree that the only issue is whether the law has been violated by ASU, and while I only have twenty years to Dr. Pain's 40, it doesn't take half that time to have the sense to know the law has not been violated. This is not a personal preference chosen by the school, it is a professional standard of the ACA and its accrediting bodies.

If ASU does not have standing, then our educational institutions become ripe for special interest domination. And keep in mind oh thumpers of bibles everywhere, that the only thing keeping the koran from being the authority is the judicious ethical neutrality of schools like ASU.

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Flick99 08/19/10 - 12:58 pm
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@ Dixieman After 30 years of

@ Dixieman

After 30 years of information being available about HIV/AIDS, you go and post something that one would hear in 1980. First of all "GRIDS" was the name for AIDS before the cause was discovered to be a retrovirus.

The earliest known positive identification of the HIV virus comes from the Congo in 1959 and 1960 though genetic studies indicate that it passed into the human population from chimpanzees around fifty years earlier. A recent study states that HIV probably moved from Africa to Haiti and then entered the United States around 1969. In 1969, a 15-year-old African-American male known to medicine as Robert R. died at the St. Louis City Hospital from aggressive Kaposi's sarcoma. AIDS was suspected as early as 1984, and in 1987, researchers at Tulane University School of Medicine confirmed this, finding HIV-1 in his preserved blood and tissues. His family claimed he was not a homosexual.

And you might also be interested in knowing that according to a new study by Reproductive Health, shows higher rates of STD infections and pregnancy in "Red" conservative states, than in "Blue" liberal. Look it up if you don't believe me. And it all has to do with religion, I guess Baptist think they can pray the sex away.

And in reference to your observation that libs seem to be hostile on here. Yeah, I am. And its because of people like you. I spent 15 years as a HIV/AIDS Community Outreach Educator in Georgia, before finally throwing my hands in the air and saying "I GIVE UP", because the more awareness I taught was just destroyed by the ignorance of people like you telling their kids they can't get it and that only the gays do. And with that in mind look up how many teenagers are infected worldwide.

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