Do you believe Bible's every word?

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Seeing as the only letters to the editor to be printed lately have to do with Christianity and the Bible, I figured that was my best chance to be published.

In reading the online comments, I find these Christians say the Bible is the absolute word of God and to be taken literally. These same Christians keep bringing up the verse in Leviticus that says homosexuality is an abomination to God. They say the Bible is the utmost truth, and every sentence was breathed by the Almighty.

That being said, how can these same Christians overlook the fact that God also says eating pork and shellfish is an abomination? I won't even get into God's thoughts on slavery and the number of wives a man can have. One of the commandments even says that no work is to be done on the Sabbath.

How can a Christian quote the Bible on a certain subject saying it is a sin, and to repent, when other passages are completely overlooked?

I find this very interesting.

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InChristLove
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InChristLove 08/09/10 - 01:54 pm
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Corgimom: "How do you

Corgimom: "How do you consider yourself a Christian and still believe that you are bound by those Old Testament laws- because one of the major themes of Christianity is that when Jesus died, there was a new covenant with his people and the old laws did not apply? "

I do not see where this poster stated she/he felt bound by the Old Testament laws, just that some Christians don't work on the Sabbath or eat pork or shellfish. Maybe they are vegetarians or maybe their job doesn't require them to work on the Sabbath. You just assumed that this poster felt bound by the Old Testament laws.

"Do those same Christians make human sacrifices, like they did in the Old Testament? "

I can only recall one instance where possibly a human sacrifice was given to God after a father made a vow to God. This is still debatable because scripture is not clear. Even if it did occur, and in our own minds how horrible this might have been, this goes to show how important a vow to God is. If you know of others, please post the scripture where the Bible says human sacrifices were given to God.

"Oh, and to the poster who wrote that abortion is a sin- during Old Testament days, it was permissable until the baby "quickened"- the mother felt it move- which is usually about halfway through the pregnancy. "

Please post the scripture where the Bible states that the termination of a fetus "was permissable until the baby quickened". God creates each of us and places value on our life....why would he approve of destroying a child of His.

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30cal 08/09/10 - 03:40 pm
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Be for you all get all fired

Be for you all get all fired up about this THINK .IT is a book written by man ,and as such is subject to mistakes and ,errors .
I will not argue the TRUTH of the BIBLE if you can show me the creature they speak of in the 92 psalm.
NO Unicorns in your backyard either?:

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swinter05 08/09/10 - 03:58 pm
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In the name of Jesus, I pray

In the name of Jesus, I pray that you do not allow the last users' comment to detour those that may be considering accepting the love found in Jesus Christ....amen.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 08/09/10 - 04:35 pm
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30cal...guess we won't be

30cal...guess we won't be hearing much from you from now on.

Psalm 92: 10) You have exalted my horn like that of a wild ox; fine oils have been poured upon me. (In some translations it says unicorn)

The horn in this Psalm symbolizes strength and is referring to an animal call a Auroch. The Aurochs, an extinct wild ox, having two horns, as indicated in Deuteronomy 33:17 and Job 39:9-10. No resemblence to the one horned unicorn.

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tmimbs 08/09/10 - 04:37 pm
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30cal, here is your

30cal, here is your creature:

http://www.bible-history.com/links.php?cat=41&sub=810&cat_name=Bible+Ani...

I will partially agree with you. The Bible is indeed subject to mistakes and errors by man, but only in the interpretations by man. In today's world, a little Google can go a long way of you are trying to find an explanation, rather than to prove a desired belief.

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Willow Bailey 08/09/10 - 04:53 pm
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And to ICL's 1:54 post, can

And to ICL's 1:54 post, can you hear the silence from the previous poster?

InChristLove
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InChristLove 08/09/10 - 05:04 pm
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Give all the glory to God

Give all the glory to God Willow Bailey. It's not for me to boast, except to boast in the Lord. It sure is satisfying when so many want to disprove God and His Holy Word and over and over again an explanation can be given to disprove the lies and untruths that so many want to post to prove God's Word is wrong. A little prayer and a little research. Thank you Jesus.

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30cal 08/09/10 - 05:23 pm
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Never said GOD was wrong

Never said GOD was wrong .Won't push my luck .BUT I still won't tell my Grand Daughter's there is no such thing as a unicorn. BUT you all made my point very strong for me ,if man had a hand in it (as in the bible) there will be errors and interpretation's.
LETS not give up hope they find new species every day.

Willow Bailey
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Willow Bailey 08/09/10 - 05:44 pm
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30cal, I wasn't talking about

30cal, I wasn't talking about your post. I was speaking about an earlier one. I will tell you though, how we know for a fact that men did not really write the Bible, but God wrote it using men to accomplish His purpose.

If men had written the Bible, they would have worshipped and gloried themselves and pointed others to themselves. In other words, it would have been man-centered. The Bible is God-centered; points us to God and his son, Jesus. They are the only heros in the Bible. Have you ever heard, it is history...HIS Story.

I have a meeting and need to go, but have a great scripture I want to share with you later, if you don't object.

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Fundamental_Arminian 08/09/10 - 06:38 pm
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"Believe it or not, some

"Believe it or not, some Christians neither work on the Sabbath nor eat pork and shellfish" (F_A).

"How do you consider yourself a Christian and still believe that you are bound by those Old Testament laws- because one of the major themes of Christianity is that when Jesus died, there was a new covenant with his people and the old laws did not apply?" (corgimom).

Corgimom, I almost missed your question. I consider myself a Christian because I follow Christ, who was Jewish and observed the Torah. His apostles observed the Torah, too, even after His resurrection:

"17 After we arrived in Jerusalem, the brethren received us gladly. 18 And the following day Paul went in with us to James, and all the elders were present. 19 After he had greeted them, he began to relate one by one the things which God had done among the Gentiles through his ministry. 20 And when they heard it they began glorifying God; and they said to him, 'You see, brother, how many thousands there are among the Jews of those who have believed, and they are all zealous for the Law; 21 and they have been told about you, that you are teaching all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs. 22 What, then, is to be done? They will certainly hear that you have come. 23 Therefore do this that we tell you. We have four men who are under a vow; 24 take them and purify yourself along with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads; and all will know that there is nothing to the things which they have been told about you, but that you yourself also walk orderly, keeping the Law. 25 But concerning the Gentiles who have believed, we wrote, having decided that they should abstain from meat sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what is strangled and from fornication.' 26 Then Paul took the men, and the next day, purifying himself along with them, went into the temple giving notice of the completion of the days of purification, until the sacrifice was offered for each one of them" (Acts 21:17-26 New American Standard Bible).

Please note (1) that the Jews who believed in Jesus remained Jews, (2) that their zeal for the Torah was not discouraged by the apostles, (3) that Paul himself observed the law, and (4) that Gentiles were not required to keep certain parts of the law, chiefly, the regulations on circumcision and perhaps diet.

"Do those same Christians make human sacrifices, like they did in the Old Testament?" (corgimom).

Why do you think Christians practiced human sacrifice during Old Testament times? The sacrifice of humans, usually children, to idols was prohibited. Still, there are passages that prefigure Christ's sacrifice of Himself as prophecied in Isaiah 53.

What do you think of those passages, which show how human deaths could appease God's wrath?

"Oh, and to the poster who wrote that abortion is a sin- during Old Testament days, it was permissable until the baby 'quickened'- the mother felt it move- which is usually about halfway through the pregnancy.

"But don't let a little inconsistency stop anybody" (corgimom).

Although I'm not the poster in question, I'm curious where those Old Testament passages are that approve of abortion before mothers could feel their unborn moving.

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sociologyedu_one 08/09/10 - 06:52 pm
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How many of these bible

How many of these bible thumpers would stone their daughter or wife to death in the town square when she is found out not to be a virgin? It's in the bible. How many people sin everyday because they are obese and glutinous? In the bible. How many people should not remarry after divorce? In the bible. Just another way that the small minded rel. right pluck the Word of God for their own use, ignoring that most of the sins of the world are committed by the self-described religious people. The fundamentalist christians should be in the same category as the Taliban.

Fundamental_Arminian
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Fundamental_Arminian 08/09/10 - 07:33 pm
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"How many of these bible

"How many of these bible thumpers would stone their daughter or wife to death in the town square when she is found out not to be a virgin? It's in the bible. How many people sin everyday because they are obese and glutinous? In the bible. How many people should not remarry after divorce? In the bible. Just another way that the small minded rel. right pluck the Word of God for their own use, ignoring that most of the sins of the world are committed by the self-described religious people. The fundamentalist christians should be in the same category as the Taliban" (sociologyedu_one).

I don't know what sociological study proves that most of the world's sins are committed by self-styled religious people; in fact, when I took sociology there was no such thing as sins, only mores and norms.

Anyway, yours is one of several posts alluding to Deuteronomy 21:18-21, which required the stoning of gluttonous, rebellious, drunkard sons:

"If any man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his father or his mother, and when they chastise him, he will not even listen to them, 19 then his father and mother shall seize him, and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gateway of his hometown. 20 They shall say to the elders of his city, `This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey us, he is a glutton and a drunkard.' 21 Then all the men of his city shall stone him to death; so you shall remove the evil from your midst, and all Israel will hear of it and fear" (New American Standard Bible).

According to Jewish sages, this commandment was never carried out. Can you think of one instance when it should've been? The answer is in 1 Samuel 2:12--4:22. Who were the sons and their dad, who failed to restrain them? What terrible consequences did Israel suffer because this commandment wasn't obeyed?

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30cal 08/09/10 - 08:34 pm
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WILLOW SEND IT PLEASE , my

WILLOW SEND IT PLEASE , my mind is open
thanks

Willow Bailey
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Willow Bailey 08/09/10 - 09:54 pm
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30cal: here are some of my

30cal: here are some of my favortie passages for those who are struggling with reason and logic. A helpful site to use is gracewalk.wordpress.com.

This the Apostle Paul speaking.

1 Corinthians 1:17-25 (New International Version)
17For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel—not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.

Christ the Wisdom and Power of God
18For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19For it is written:
"I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."[a]
20Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. 22Jews demand miraculous signs and Greeks look for wisdom, 23but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 24but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength.

Put your faith in Christ, not man. Don't look for ways to disprove God, look for ways to fall in love with Him and His Word.
If you are serious about pursuing God, there are many who would love to help you.

You mention your granddaughter. What love that must be. I know how much I love my daughter and I can't wait to have grandchildren.
I so want to give them the inheritance that God wants them to have.. to become His child and inherit the Kingdom of Christ, living forever.

More is caught than taught! They learn by watching us... modeling our own love of Him and acceptance of free grace and eternal life. What greater gift could you give to the ones you love and yourself?

Goodnight..I enjoyed sharing with you today.

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dougk 08/09/10 - 10:49 pm
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The bottom line is.....don't
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The bottom line is.....don't use your God-given human brain to reason or find logic in any other place than the Bible.

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Sargebaby 08/09/10 - 11:04 pm
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To Airbud and others, I think

To Airbud and others, I think you are all missing something! While most Christians call our Holy Bible God's Word, it is actually God's "inspired word," meaning ideas and experiences were handed down to from generation to generation to be "scribed" by those who could write. Also, remember that Christianity is Faith Based. It is a firm belief in the scriptures that were given to us by the many who experienced the incidents, or were told about the history of God, from generation to generation.

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impossible 08/10/10 - 12:10 am
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Where's that NY cabbie when
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Where's that NY cabbie when we need him? Sitting in the back seat, his fare kept talking, sometimes to himself, sometimes to the cabbie, but constantantly taking the name of God in vain and using the name of Jesus as an epithet. Finally, the cabbie had had enough, so he turned around and asked the fare why he insisted on misusing the names "God" and "Jesus" talking about people he obviously doesn't know. You should not talk about people you don't know.
The cabbie might have some words of wisdom for the posters herein who slam God, the Bible and Religion. Raises the question, "When is a know-it-all in reality a know-nothing?

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impossible 08/10/10 - 12:14 am
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JusticeForEva Sunday, Aug. 8
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What you Bible thumpers fail to realize is that even though the Bible was inspired by God, it was written by MAN...MAN....MAN!!!!!! It's also been translated many times, not from the original language, but from one language then to another from the translation and so on, if that makes any sense. Not to mention, the Catholic church took books out of it that they didn't like. :-/
The Catholic Church established the canon of scripture in the fourth century, and the "books" therein were everyone's bible until the Reformation after which the PROTESTants removed seven of the books. You are a perfect target for the cabbie's wisdom.

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Willow Bailey 08/10/10 - 11:40 am
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I am glad this keeps coming

I am glad this keeps coming up for discussion, since many are struggling with the same thoughts.

I do agree that when we try to only use logic, the whole concept of their being one true God who has given us a book to live by is hard to believe in.

We could begin by asking ourselves what is the real purpose of family? Were we given a family for our own ease, comfort and happiness? All of us could probably be in agreement on that one.... The family has many functions, but the most important role is in helping us come to Christ as our real Father in heaven. They will be either a help or a hindrance to us, depending on their own emotional and spiritual healthiness.

As a child, the first perception we have of God is of our earthly father. Our fathers become the center of the way we interpret life. It is difficult for anyone to see God as a loving father, that wants the very best for his children, if we have had an unhealthy relationship with our own fathers.

If you are one of the people who become so angry and quarrelsome when believers talk about loving and believing in God, or a quiet reader, who is looking at both sides of this discussion, perhaps, the best place to begin is by asking yourself; What kind of a man was my dad, and what was my real relationship like with him?

There are many good books written on this subject for both men and women as well as Christian support groups on this matter.

Man tries to make God fit into their LIMITED understanding, logic and reasoning abilities. God is not like man. He is neither confined by time, space or logic.

Yes, God has given us a mind with the ability to reason. But just because we have the ability to reason, doesn't mean we have the skills for it. Skills by themselves are useless; we must have more . Before coming to any decision by reason, I find it useful to first process. Processing requires that we get honest about our own dishonesty. It requires asking ourself questions, (not others) and telling ourselves as much truth as we currently know. It isn't easy, because the person we have lied to the most is us.

"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. (Is. 55:8)

"There is a way that seems right to a man, but the end is death." Proverbs 14:12

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