ASU profs need remediation classes

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One thing is sure in Jennifer Keeton's lawsuit against Augusta State University, no matter the ruling: The ASU professors named as defendants need Christian sensitivity classes!

They can begin by enrolling in a local Beth Moore Bible study and reading selected biographies of Christian martyrs. The remediation plan would include attending a support group for students who have faced discrimination for their religious beliefs. The professors would report back once a month to determine whether the activities have an impact on their bias.

It probably won't happen. Only the Christian is required to be sensitive. But this ASU grad wishes my professors had received such training!

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flipa
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flipa 08/05/10 - 10:19 pm
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The taxpayers will be stuck

The taxpayers will be stuck paying for gay, terrorist, home invader, crack dealer, & PC sensitivity classes long before they get around to Christian sensitivity classes! ha haha

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corgimom 08/05/10 - 10:34 pm
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Why would Ms. Lehn think that

Why would Ms. Lehn think that the professors aren't Christian?

I never had any problems at ASU with religion, and there were students of many religions in my classes.

Isn't it odd that only a select few "experience religious discrimination"? Could it be THEIR behavior that is the problem?

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soldout 08/05/10 - 10:38 pm
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Good letter and so true.

Good letter and so true. Keep speaking out Christians; you have been quiet way too long and it has caused a lost of influence that this country needs badly. This is a dangerous world brought on by the influence of the Godless. Every institution that has removed the Christian influence (such as schools) has gone downhill quickly. People kick God out and then blame Him for our troubles. Love the devil out of those around you. Pray and expect signs and wonders in your life as the Holy Spirit within you leads you into all truth. Win the battles in the spiritual and see the results work out in the natural. You are not fighting your fellow man but the demonic influence that is in them by invitation. Stand for something or you fall for everything. Make the devil nervous every morning when he knows you are awake. Be bold and a blessing everywhere you go.

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grouse 08/05/10 - 10:43 pm
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Exactly right, corgimom!
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Exactly right, corgimom! Soldout, Christians quiet? You can't go one mile in any direction without running into a church or a billboard proclaiming this church or that. There are a handful of Christian TV channels on cable, Christian radio, etc. Christians don't have anything to complain about...

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Sargebaby 08/05/10 - 10:51 pm
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Soldout, keep in mind, the

Soldout, keep in mind, the battle is won before the war begins, but I agree, more Christians should speak out. So far, we are still America, and speech is still free. The scary part is, people are working to destroy even that! God bless and good night!

swinter05
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swinter05 08/05/10 - 10:53 pm
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soldout - thank you! I

soldout - thank you! I needed that! We do grow weary, but we must know that the battle is already won. Your encouragement will help many of us know that we must go on. We will not grow weak in our endeavors for it is He who makes us strong. I have always prayed to be more bold, and while I never waiver in my faith, I don't think I share it as much as I should. I feel these forums are a good way to do that.
Grouse- Christians don't have anything to complain about....you hit that one right on the head. We have Jesus and there is nothing else we need. Standing up for Him means not allowing the unbelievers to silence us by taking away our freedom and liberties....it is an attempt to silence His name. JESUS lives....JESUS lives. His name will never go away as long as humans are blessed with their sense of hearing.

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chasboy 08/06/10 - 01:54 am
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This is a stupid

This is a stupid leter.
Number 1 is that these professors are not telling Miss Keeton to change her views on her religion. In the field of counseling the ethics involved require you to be neutral. It seems they only want her to understand that in dealing with clients one must put aside certain views in order to be effective.
Insisting that she attend the gay pride parade was a bonehead move but I can see why they asked that of her. They wanted her to understand these people better. The remediation classes were also a pretty stupid move but in the end they were only trying to help her realize that she would be dealing with a wide assortment of humanity.
No one is trying to silence Christians. That's absurd. Last I checked this was still a free country and you're welcome to persue any religion or lack of.
ASU is trying to stand by the counseling code of ethics and I'm sorry but they're right on this. They could have handled it differently but in the end they are trying to ensure their counseling graduates know what is expected of them.

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GGpap 08/06/10 - 01:43 am
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The constant increase in the

The constant increase in the volume of those babbling and spewing such marvels (?) as "expect signs and wonders in your life" and "You are not fighting your fellow man but the demonic influence that is in them by invitation" reminds me of the many times I had occasion to visit the wards of St. Elizabeth Mental Hospital in Washington, D.C. (and several others over the years); it brings back the images of patients long lost in "visions and events" in another time and place.

However, perhaps I would be well advised to immediately rescind my invitation to Beelzebub to join me for dinner this evening...I surely wouldn't want to become possessed.

GGpap

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Fundamental_Arminian 08/06/10 - 04:53 am
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"Why would Ms. Lehn think

"Why would Ms. Lehn think that the professors aren't Christian?"--corgimom

For starters, why not see what you can find out about values clarification? Have you spent any time comparing psychological theories to God's commandments?

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carcraft 08/06/10 - 05:04 am
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It is interesting that

It is interesting that "normative behavior" in one culture is strange in another! When I was in Korea it was common practice for mothers and other women folks to practice what we would call sexual abuse on very young children ! How can ASU professors teach how to work with people when they have trouble with a Christian and want her to modifiy her views to comport wirth their views? How do the ASU professors know their views, assumptions and bias are correct? Maybe the professors do need to undergo remediation!

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johnston.cliff 08/06/10 - 06:46 am
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Secularites sure hate it when

Secularites sure hate it when they're treated as Christians are, but then, who wouldn't.
The ASU professor named in the suit will be able to reply to the charges, under oath, once in court. Maybe then there will be more facts and less speculative espousing.

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shivas 08/06/10 - 06:57 am
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Why just Christian

Why just Christian sensitivity? Islam too maybe? If a Muslim at ASU stated he would not council Christians because they are infidels, should that be tolerated by ASU because of religious beliefs? Of course not. Radical Christianity is the same as radical Islam, and should not be tolerated.

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soldout 08/06/10 - 07:02 am
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swinter05 thank you, you are

swinter05 thank you, you are an encouragement to me. Keep your light shining and drive out the darkness around you.

southernguy08
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southernguy08 08/06/10 - 07:04 am
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Public education in this
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Public education in this country is a joke, and the "enlightened" professors at ASU have their panties in a wad because one student dares to express her religious views. It would be funny, if fallout wasn't so bad. And SHIVAS, refresh my memory. When did you see Christians slamming airliners into buildings and killing thousands of people? I must have missed that.

truthnlove
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truthnlove 08/06/10 - 08:35 am
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Well said soldout....put on

Well said soldout....put on the armor and keep fighting....those who are unspiritual won't get it.

dashiel
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dashiel 08/06/10 - 08:41 am
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INHERIT THE WIND--the sequel.

INHERIT THE WIND--the sequel. Courtroom melodrama attracts media scrutiny. Citizens of backwater burg portrayed as monkeys. Seating limitied. Make reservations now.

jiclemens
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jiclemens 08/06/10 - 08:51 am
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southernguy-"Public education

southernguy-"Public education in this country is a joke"
The truth is, religious education in this country is a joke, and it shows here every day.

jiclemens
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jiclemens 08/06/10 - 08:54 am
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and "When did you see

and "When did you see Christians slamming airliners "
If you've ever opened a history book you would see that the moral equivalent exists throughout Christian history. Religious fanatics are the problem regardless of what they believe. Perhaps THAT is why atheists are getting more vocal.

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flipa 08/07/10 - 01:09 am
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Wow Sold-out. If all

Wow Sold-out. If all Christians practiced the things you just enumerated we would have no job shortages. Our manufacturing jobs would still be here. Outsourcing would be a term we would use to see who is going out to get lunch. Ha hahah

These ASU “professors” study under Freud and other crackpots that fantasized about having sex with their mothers, gay sex, animal sex, sex, sex, sex, sex, sex, then that leads to rape rape rape. A certain big dog in West Lake is up on rape charges right now but the public schools are for more of the same by supporting a sick perverted line of thought that says instead of trying to cure the diseases of the mind we should coddle the diseases of the mind. If modern psychiatrist are so effective why do we see more murder suicides under their teachings than we EVER did before these wolves n sheep’s clothing began perverting that profession??? The professors are preaching tolerance of all perversions but when they are asked to ADMIT a REAL medical term, Identity Confusion, they BALK at REAL medicine and preach their evolution religion “We all came from monkeys so act like monkeys and if you don’t we’re gonna FAIL YOU!”
It is NO Coincidence that ever since we have not been allowed to teach creation in our public schools that fewer and fewer jobs are being CREATED.

southernguy08
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southernguy08 08/06/10 - 09:05 am
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jiclemens, you just said the
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jiclemens, you just said the operative word...HISTORY. And, there have been just as many Islamic fanatics throughout history. Look at the Moors. Try staying in the 21st century. As for religious education, please tell me what church, temple, etc. that children are REQUIRED BY LAW to attend. As for atheists, most have deathbed conversions back to the faith of their childhood. Nice try.

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edreformfan 08/06/10 - 09:35 am
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@chasboy: "In the field of

@chasboy: "In the field of counseling the ethics involved require you to be neutral." If this were required, no one could be a counselor, everyone has personal bias. The "counseling code of ethics" does not apply to Keeton's comments in the classroom. If and when she vows to professors that she will try to "convert" clients to her views, they should take action; however, merely expressing the belief that homsexuals suffer from "identity confusion" did not warrant these actions by the professors. (If the allegations are true.)

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Chillen 08/06/10 - 09:36 am
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Most (not all) college

Most (not all) college professors are part of the "elitist crowd" who think they are better and smarter than everyone else out there. In their small world they "know" what is best for you. (sound familiar? obama? progressives? liberals?)

They have been pushing their thoughts, ideologies, beliefs & politics on young minds for years. Fortunately most of us get out, get a job and see the real world through non rose-colored, non-tenured, non-pensioned glasses.

southernguy08
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southernguy08 08/06/10 - 09:48 am
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CHILLEN, nice post.
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CHILLEN, nice post. Fortunately also is most Americans seem to be waking up from the nap they were taking in Nov 08 and have decided this "change" isn't for them anymore. November is going to have more "change," but not the kind the liberals will like.

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Inquiring Lynn 08/06/10 - 12:00 pm
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Fellow children of the

Fellow children of the Enlightment, thank y'all! We've taken back our nation!
s. guy, prattle and-weep!

jiclemens
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jiclemens 08/06/10 - 12:04 pm
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Oh gee Southernguy, right.

Oh gee Southernguy, right. it's the 21st century now. Christians are absolved of all their trespasses. Obviously you missed my point that fanatacism is the problem, was the problem and always will be the problem regardless of what the fanatic believes, because as we see here, fanatics are blinded by the logs in their own eyes, and kill for jesus as much as they kill for allah. And I stick by my words on Christian education. I'm not talking about read'n and writ'n or going to a Christian vs. a public school. Most of you are simple "literalists," and self-appointed experts in your religion and don't have a clue about religion or science and don't have the credentials to back yourself up in spite of the high and mighty claims we frequently hear. This simplicity doesn't make anyone a better Christian, it makes you cruel and intolerant and too rigid to mature.

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momster59 08/06/10 - 12:10 pm
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clemmens - I won't speak for

clemmens - I won't speak for all parochial schools, but the young woman who lives next door to my daughter is a perfect example of the "education" of these kids in some of them. She graduated with very high grade, yet when I told her a joke using the term "humanitarian" she didn't even know the word. My daughter - in - law was forced by her parents to attend a different "christian" school and now realizes how much catch up she will have to do academically now that she is about to attend classes. Luckily for her, I am able to tutor her in the areas she needs help.
By the way, the joke goes - If vegetarians eat vegetables, what do humanitarians eat?

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baronvonreich 08/06/10 - 12:12 pm
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"Only the Christian is

"Only the Christian is required to be sensitive."
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Perhaps that is because history has shown time and time again that they have been the most insensitive people to ever walk the Earth along with being the most violent, oppressive, hateful, and bigoted.

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Chillen 08/06/10 - 12:24 pm
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actually baron, I think the

actually baron, I think the "peaceful" religion of islam gets the gold medal. Blowing up towers, buildings and airplanes with thousands of innocent people in them is violent, oppressive, hateful and bigoted.

southernguy08
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southernguy08 08/06/10 - 04:52 pm
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JICLE, since most of us are
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JICLE, since most of us are "simple literalists" regarding our faith, why don't you tell us all about your religious education and how this makes you an expert in Christian extremism. Go ahead...we're all listening. And yes, IT IS THE 21ST CENTURY. No, Christians, or any religious group, are absolved. But, you don't see Christians slamming airliners into buildings and killing thousands of people, or threatening nuclear destruction on "infidels." Your Rosie O' Donnell argument didn't work for her and it doesn't work for you. Nice try.

southernguy08
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southernguy08 08/06/10 - 04:53 pm
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INQUIRING, I could reply to
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INQUIRING, I could reply to your last post, but I'm laughing too hard!

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